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I said this elsewhere, but Walker has a little more polish and experience in games than DTR. Neither will win us the SF game, but still

Just say this out loud for a second...if our starting QB goes down, we won't start our only backup QB on the active roster...we will instead start our practice squad guy.

Happens all the time, right? The polish is officially off of this turd of a FO-through-HC.

Say it out loud.

Reminds me of the team we play on Sunday to a degree.

AVP has zero to do with any of that

j/c...

No matter how you slice it, AVP is the one who gets the O ready for the game in practice. So claiming he has nothing to do with it is just silly talk. KS may be the one that makes the call as it pertains to what adjustments should be made but it's up to AVP to prepare them to execute those adjustments.

yeah exactly. Chubb went down and it sealed our fate basically.

Well...Lance was injured early in the year (Wk2)...Jimmy G played QB after that...not a PS QB.

When Jimmy G went down...in came Purdy...who was never on the PS to my recollection.


I see the 'to a degree' comment...so that's how-so I suppose.

I just can't fathom having an un-injured QB on the 53 and bypassing him (for the next start at QB) over a PS guy. I think this type of roster 'management' is playing with fire. I'm not so disappointed that Walker is considered 'better' at this time...I am however shocked that they would play russian roulette with the QB position and not lock Walker from being poached. It's not like he's a G or something.

For (3) straight years our season's 'fate' was sealed by about week (4).

I know that Watson may be back before the season is too far along...so...this season's 'fate' will rest on whether Ski can scheme a way for Watson to be effective...and I'd say we are still waiting on that to reveal itself.

Our fate was sealed because the QB position has been a mess. And here we are this year... 230 million guaranteed dollars and all the draft picks... and our QB position is still a mess.

DW probably just wants to take another week off to rest and get well. Nothing wrong with that.

You may be right, nothing to gain by getting thumped by the 49ers. However, considering his accuracy and timing has been very suspect so far this year, 3 to 4 weeks of not throwing isn't going to improve those deficiencies. Then the question would become, how many weeks will it take for Watson to get to 2020 levels, if ever? Whole lot of money being laid out each year (46M) for zero positive results in year 1 and a shell of what you purchased for half the season in year 2.

In his last start watson was 27-33 for 289 yards and 2 td's.

I just saw an interesting, and admittedly completely baseless, conspiracy theory being floated as an explanation for the DW weirdness.

The short version is the theory that perhaps he has screwed up off the field again with another massage "request".


With all of the strange reports flying around that the coach says it was his call even though he was medically cleared, but then apparently Berry contradicts that, but meanwhile, supposedly, all of the players thought he was going to play because he was telling them he'd play only for him to suddenly not be able to play... and now, a full three weeks after the game where he was "injured", he's still not taking reps. It's all SUPER STRANGE. However, the even stranger conspiracy theory actually has all of the weird suddenly make sense, which is kinda scary.


FWIW: my less weird theory is that he's trying to actively get out of Cleveland with all of that guaranteed money and get to another contract at a place of his choosing. Between the poor play and now the lingering "injury" issues, I feel like he's just trying to make himself not worth keeping.

I blame it on inflation. $230 million just doesn't buy what it used to.

That ain't no lie.

After he burned his face

thats crazy

Sadly true. That's why we threw in the draft picks; COLA for the NFL.

So, he did that against the weak azz Titans. Tell me that you honestly believe that the Browns have received anything close to a 46M per year QB play. The whole point of the acquisition was the Browns "HAD TO HAVE" an elite top 5 QB to make it to a Super Bowl. It was the only missing piece that was keeping them from being a bonafide Super Bowl contender. The Browns have paid Watson $56,823,530 for the 9-games over 2 seasons he has played thus far for the Browns. Have the Browns received elite play for that 56M plus paid? How much more time does he get before we see consistent top 5 elite play - 2 weeks, 6, 8, the rest of 2023 or maybe in 2024? I guess being ranked 19th after 5 weeks into the season with a QBR of 47.2 is acceptable (hmmm, that includes the Titans game). The bum former QB has a QBR of 70.1 ranked 6th but wasn't elite enough for the Browns.

According to the vast majority of posters on this forum - Watson has a better o-line than the 2020 Texans, better WR's than 2020, better HC than 2020, better GM than 2020, and a better defense than his 2020 team (in fact, many on this forum here say the Browns are an elite defense). So, when can we expect that consistent top 5 elite play considering Watson has been afforded a better all-around supporting cast than he had in 2020? Supposedly, the Browns have went out and upgraded the entire roster when compared to what Watson had in Houston in 2020. Shouldn't we expect equal or better play then out of our 230M QB playing behind a much superior roster? When?

Here are some more pics he posted of his burns. Much respect that he went out and played. Had to be incredibly painful.

pretty incredible he played

He's a tough [censored].

Anyone starting to wonder if this Deshawn business is a psychological issue…? I mean, get imagining done, get a second medical opinion if it’s a real physical issue. If it’s actual physical damage there’s protocols. But this is weird. He’s ready, he isn’t, it’s his call… what is going on? Has he lost his mojo, creeping doubt, having “a moment”? This is so Browns

All valid questions!

Being critical to what’s going on around Watson is based on conflicting reports and these incidents is another symptom for an unstable organization without a healthy culture. Maybe Berry and Stefanski is communicating parts of the truth but it’s still handled in an amateurish way who creates more questions than answers.

I’m disappointed that we don’t learn from previous mistakes. Investing 230M in a questionable character was and is a huge gamble that can easily set us back a couple of years. Was what was happening in Houston only a string of unfortunate circumstances?

If we’re going to compete against the very best organizations in the NFL we need leaders that knows what they’re doing and has the competence to make well thought long term decisions. Taking well calculated chances is sometimes necessary but entering costly and risky deals even when the problems is well documented is a sign of a poor leadership.

This leads me to Steve’s post about our franchise QB. So far we supporters has every reason to question what we got for giving away multiple valuable draft picks and 230M.

No. I'm guessing he's legitimately hurt. Unfortunately, some injuries are harder to diagnose than others. Some are also harder to treat. The shoulder is one of the most freely moveable areas in the human body (when undamaged), and to allow it to move as it is able, it is quite complex.

If one thinks something is going to resolve itself quickly, most people don't go for second opinions. Unfortunately, it's lingering longer than expected.

..."Fans" are weird....Browns fans especially. They (we) have reasons for that, but I think it also is a bit of a negative feedback loop/downward spiral.

You can downplay that performance all you like. He had played against not so great teams before and did much worse. But you do you.

the fact is the Browns put up more points against the Titans than any other opponent they had faced including the Chargers who have Justin Herbert at QB.

I have had no reason whatsoever to criticize the Browns leadership if this was just a unlucky handling of an pretty straightforward incident. Players get injured all the time and either they play or don’t without any surrounding drama but with the Browns this’s to often the normal way of dealing with a problem than anything else. You can call it whatever you like but in my world it’s poor leadership.

Your other strange comments doesn’t deserve any further attention.

Hey phrase in your reply, "In my world".

While I agree with your overall premise, come on man. We haven't had a Belichick or Marty since, well.... Belichick and Marty.

I'm not really disagreeing with you here. But I will say I think one needs to consider the size of the crowd involved here. I too heard the calls for Belichick and Marty's heads back in the day. But they weren't the large crowd of voices. They were the outliers in the room. There wasn't a vast majority of the fan base calling for their jobs. So I think a little context here is called for in the examples you chose to give.

And as it pertains to the success of coaches being tied to QB's, I posted the very same thing the other day in a different type of discussion. It was about "installing a winning culture".

I pointed out that two of the biggest examples of that were Belichick in New England right up until of course Tom Brady left. And then there was Sean Payton in New Orleans of course right up until drew Brees retired. So I think we're pretty much on the same page here for the most part.