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That does not look like a legit source/site to me.

The first call was 100% spot on. It put the Browns on the 8 yard line I believe.

The second call I do agree was uncatchable - but even if it's not PI it is holding, which does not require the ball to be catchable. It wouldn't put the Browns on the 1 yard line, it would have been half the distance to the GL and been 1st and goal from the 4.

on the second penalty - During the live commentary Archuleta said he thought it was both players were grabby but that's not it at all and on part of the subsequent discussion someone even mentioned the holding. The CB has our WR's arm and is tugging on it. It's holding by any and all definitions.

It was a good move. The issue is York was so bad the move doesn't really deserve an awful lot of credit as if this was some sort of coup.... it was a no-brainer that most everyone was saying had to happen. Hopkins (thankfully) was available and the best option out there.

I wasn't going to comment until I had read the entire thread but had to comment on this one.

The thought on Hopkins was he had somewhat limited distance. I don't know where that came from because I am not seeing it. That kick from 58 yards looked like it could have made it from 63 yards. Unless people expect a kicker to nail 70 yard kicks, DH doesn't lack distance.

The biggest question I have on him is why was he even available?

Great that we got the win. As I posted above - I don't think we were lucky with the penalties at the end of the game, both penalties were deserved.

I'm happy we won, happy Myles played out of his gourd to create a couple of game chaning plays and while he did have a couple of penalties that's been a consistent through most of his career. He's either outstanding at guessing the snap or lucky - but he has been flagged for encroachment 'frequently' .... if that's the price you pay for 82 sacks and beating Reggie White's record of the number of sacks before age 28, so be it. I might be most happy that we finally have a kicker - and dude deserves a bonus.

I'm concerned about a couple of things in the game.

Watson - either he wasn't healthy as some have suggested: In which case there are truly serious questions to be raised on KS for playing him. Or he was healthy up to the point at which he left the game and we have continued concerns over his level of play. I don't see a middle ground where somehow we shouldn't talk about either side of that coin.

More Watson - the situation, the comments by Stefanski, the way DW carried hmself the rest of the game. Either confusing or concerning or both.

PJ Walker - did not look good. Aparently took no first team snaps for the two days prior to the game. Again - serious questions about heading into a season with a talent laden roster expecting to challenge for the Division/play offs. DTR is your back up based on a couple stand out preseason games against players no longer in the NFL ... PJ Walker is your 3rd option and is not good and not getting groomed to be given a chance if he does get called upon. Serious questions about Berry/KS to use those two as your options behiind DW. Questionable at best decision not to prep PJ knowing DW is trying to come back from an injury.

On the defense - I 'm not going to stress over 1 game. If we give up multiple 75 yard TD drives next game maybe we'll have something to discuss. They made some big plays that helped win the game as well as giving up some of those drives. I thought Minshew played a great game - if we had QB play like that we'd have wiped the floor with them.

Play calling - I had no problem with the pitch out that went wrong, I thought KS got a little too pass happy for a little while in the 3rd Q but after the PJ interception it got a little more balanced again. At the end of the game - 1st and 1 yard with 45 seconds left on the clock. . . . I would have liked to have seen a run or QB sneak on 1st down. You have enough time to run and get set again if it gets stuffed.... you'd have at least 20-25 seconds on the clock to call 3 more plays. Having said that the pass to Njoku was a phenominal defensive play punching the ball out to prevent the td. . . the shovel pass was there and was dropped . . . I don't remember the 3rd pass before Hunt ran it in. But having seen PJ struggle, knowing he didn't get 1st team reps for 2 days, I think a run on first down would have been the smartest call personally.

On to Seattle. Maybe we'll get more answers.

A lot of this guys articles are nothing more than finding fan tweets. Both calls were legit, and like you said....even if the PI play was an uncatchable pass, it was obvious holding.

The PI was the right call. The holding threw off the timing of the play and PJ was just putting out of the endzone.

As for play calling I think the handoff to Ford was a bad play call. At least until he broke it for a long TD run. My point is it is easy to say a play was a bad call when we know the play didn't work.

We scored enough points to win the game. That is good enough for me.

Yeah, when we got him, most people said "he's good from 45 and in" ... which I was cool with because we needed a solid kicker who could be relied upon to stabilize the position

A month later and the guy is making 50+ yarders to help with victories ... that's a good way to live

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#Browns efficiency rankings:
Offense: 31
Defense: 1
Special teams: 2

- A win is a win. Yes, people will talk about those last two calls against the Colts. How many times have we lost games because of those kind of calls? Or ones much, much, worse. I am not apologizing for it, we've been on the wrong end of these games. A lot.

- Watson was not ready.

- Before this game our D has been steady and smothering. Just not allowing first downs, etc. This one was different. They were scorched for big plays, but then made big plays. Nice to see the forced turnovers.

- The blocked FG was unreal. Would have liked to see the expression on the kicker's face when he noticed Myles standing there on the wrong side of his line.

- There was some noise this past off-season that Cade York's issues were because of the holder. I'm thinking that is not the case.

- Haven't bothered to look at the numbers for the Chargers kicker. Wonder how the guy who beat Hopkins for the job is panning out.

- Would really like to see less of Bryant trying to block.

- An ugly win is a win. Onward.

That is insane.

For the second week in a row, this felt like the type of game the Browns lose at the last minute in past years but are able to come through and find a way to win. From top to bottom, this team doesn't seem to give up and found a way to win at the last moment. I think this speaks volumes for a team with poor QB play overall on the season.

- PJ Walker is baaaaaad. There is just no way around it. I appreciate the ability to drive the the field with a little help from penalties, but he ain't it if Watson is going to sit for an extended amount of games.

- Tough to gauge the defensive performance after giving up so many points and big plays yet making big plays themselves to keep the team in the game. There was poor tackling, miscommunication, and at least in the first half, played the cliché "uninspired' football. Myles Garrett is absolutely amazing. The DL has such a nice rotation of talent to keep legs fresh towards the end of the game. Maybe someone has this information but it seemed to me that the defense played more zone than man yesterday. Obviously, I couldn't tell every play but it would be interesting to know. The run defense is something to watch moving forward and Indy was pretty much able to move the ball at will. We stopped them towards the end, but their two-headed monster of Taylor and Moss did well.

- Something is up with Watson, clearly. There were a ton of run calls that seemed inconsistent with Watson being on the field and felt the team saw something wrong after a couple of throws. If I had to speculate, Watson is telling coaches and doctors that he is more ready/healthy than he actually is because he wants to play. And probably, the FO & Stefanski wanted to believe him more than they probably should because he is by far the best option and they've seen Walker and DTR play thus far....which was ugly. Once Stefanski saw him throw a few passes, he saw enough. So in the sense that Stefanski said he was protecting Watson, I believe him when he said that. He was protecting Watson from himself and not keeping him out there if he wasn't fully ready to go. I think the same things applies this week....another week of monitoring his healing process and will go week-to-week. I, personally, don't think they will put him on IR.

- If Walker starts, it will be another though go against Seattle.

Seattle -2.5
Over/Under 40.5

I don't expect Walker to start ... just a hunch, but it will be either Watson or someone else we can find

Walker has been admirable to step in, but the last two wins have been pretty flukey with such a bad offense

Playing at Seattle is a different challenge than Indy ... their offense is good and they have a tough environment

PSA: In a few minutes, Aditi Kinkhabwala (sideline reporter from yesterday's game) will be on 92.3 The Fan. She basically was monitoring Watson all game long and probably has additional insight from what she saw.

thanks Memphis ... can anyone provide a few updates from the interview?

I'm sure the station will on twitter for people to share.

One thing that I don't think is getting talked about enough is the last 2 minutes of the first have .. We scored 10 points in about a minute and twenty seconds . I don't know how many times we have been on the other side of that .

okay thanks

good point. That's a huge reason we won the game. We ended both halves so strongly. And the first half was perfect management on our end

In short, there was nothing new or earth shattering.

lol okay thanks bud

Yes, the last minutes of each half was the difference in the game. That is coaching. Kevin Stefanski deserves the credit here. 10 points end of half and 7 end of game. That is coaching.

and when we were up 24-21 (maybe 1:30 left) they had the ball and we dropped them for a loss on 1st down ... we called a timeout, which was kind of risky and could have backfired

that was a really nice coaching move that allowed us the chance to go up 27-21 at half

haha that is WILD

I have no idea what this is and can't really decipher from any of the comments.

you bring up a good point about Watson's shape. He is not anywhere near the athlete he was 2-3 years ago, and you can see him struggle with it. He relied so heavily on his legs and eluding the rush that he could extend plays and find open receivers.

with his tenure here, he's much slower and it makes his eyes drop down to look at the rushers ... he's simply got heavier legs and slower eyes

The dude predicted wins/losses before the season and got shade thrown at him from every angle. It appears it was justified, because if you look closely at whether he selected W/L in the background, he was wrong on literally every single W/L that he predicted so far.

yeah, he is literally 0-6 haha ... I could see him picking us to be 6-11, but the ones he picked us to win/lose were awful

Please tell me you or someone tagged Old Takes Exposed on that, Memphis.

Dude is a perfect 0-6 in picking the Browns games this year.

Ahhh... thanks guys, I should have been able to figure that out. Somehow, the three different colors of the W's and L's threw me. He's gotta be catching some grief from Browns fans lol.

Sadly, he'd probably still beat me in the pick 'ems.

Are you sure? I thought Fields was filling in for Takitaki since he was out with a hammy. When Fields got hurt it was Adams who came in for him.

I just checked the snap counts. Fields and JOK played 46% and 49%of the snaps with McLeod playing 20%

An interesting collection of data on Watson from his Situational Stats on NFL.com.
I went there to see how this year stacks up against what he used to be and in the process stumbled on this bit of data

https://www.nfl.com/players/deshaun-watson/stats/situational/



When playing from behind, regardless of by how much, he has a passer rating of 81.7, no INTs, and a 30% 1st Down rate, but his completion rate is barely above 50%.

When playing a tied game, however, his passer rating plummets to 55.4, with 2 INT, and the 1st Down rate drops to 25%, but, oddly, his completion rate is 62.5%.
When Tied or Behind, he's hitting only 5.3 Avg Yds and averages 4 Sacks


When playing with a Lead:

Lead 1-8 Pts: Passer Rating is 64.5, 1 INT, 28.5% 1st down rate, 56.4% completion rate, 6.3 Avg Yds
Lead 9+ Pts: Rating is 140.6, 0 INT, 50% 1st down rate, 75% completion rate, 8.8 Avg Yds
When playing with a lead, his Sack average drops to 2 or less


Just looking at these numbers, I think the dude is playing WAAAAY too tight and doesn't play well until/unless there is no pressure.

Additionally, his rating is in the tank for his first 10 passes, but it goes up the more attempts he takes.
He is also really good in both red zones, but between the 20's, he's borderline atrocious.

thanks for those stats Prp. Watson has said that he's historically a slow starter (and maybe he means in single games too). It would be nice to give him a few series to get his feet wet, although I'm not sure we are in position to waste that many ... especially if it's a Seattle, Baltimore, Pittsburgh etc

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40 pass blocking snaps
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Camryn Justice
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#Browns Kevin Stefanski said they'll continue taking Deshaun Watson's shoulder injury day to day.

Not me....yet. I'll wait a few more weeks.