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This trade doesn't mean much either way.

DPJ had some nice moments, but he is a dime a dozen receiver. That is why we got a 2025 6th rounder. This was the last year of his contract. I don't think many in here actually felt he was going to be signed to another contract.

Trade him and get something. We got something. Time to move on.

Good Luck DPJ. You came to Cleveland, worked your ass off every day, never complained, did everything the Browns ask of you, never complained, and always had a great attitude. You were a great team mate, and even better person. Good luck buddy.

Not a big deal really. But I do have a question, how many times was he targeted this year?

not many ... he only had like a dozen catches or something. We had phased him out (of course, having Walker at QB has affected everything too)

So your belief is that you replace a starting WR with a guy who hasn't even been active on game day? Who hasn't even been able to see the field for weeks now? Well alrighty then.


According to you they wouldn't. Instead they would trade away a starting WR to do it. Trade away a starter for a kid that they won't even activate on game day. But to your credit, it does sort of sound like something this FO might do.

DPJ wasn't playing very well this season. He wasn't in the plans going forward. To me, it makes sense to get guys who are supposed to be the future more reps.

Trade feels kind of win-win. DPJ gets to "go home" to an apparent contender. We get some draft capital, and get more reps for young guys. It would have been nice if we'd gotten more, but unfortunately this season's production was more or less non-existent.

I wish him the best, unless he's playing the Browns. He seemed like a good dude.

PSA: Tillman has been active in 4 games, inactive in 3.

He has been targeted 3 times this year w/ one reception.

Carry on.

You are right. We probably weren't going to keep him after this year, so anything you can get for him is a plus. I get it.

It's just that there are 2 things about this that grind my gears.

1. He improved each year, blocked well, and caught tough catches. I don't like booting WRs that do that.
2. The whole "we're shipping a guy out so that the guy that couldn't work his way onto the field can get on the field" is stupid.

I think point #2 should be taken with a grain of salt. Nobody from the Browns coaching staff or FO has made that statement. If they do it would certainly be stupid.

1. He improved each year up to this year. This year he regressed. While QB play is a factor, I don't think that's all of it. DPJ has been near the bottom of the league in creating separation this year despite playing a majority of snaps, I believe, though I need to verify that still. Just saw a tweet earlier from a guy that's usually reliable with stat-related stuff. I also think his effort has been inconsistent this year, though that's a subjective take.

2. I'm hoping Tillman and DTR have been getting lots of reps together all season, and they want them to try to carry that chemistry onto the field and they think they're both ready for real now. Probably Copium, but it would be nice.

PSA #2

Tillman has been in on 45 snaps this year. 10 less than Bell and 31 less than Goodman, the two right above him. All snaps came in the first 4 weeks of the season and hasn't played since the bye. Edit to add: Because he is/was dealing with an injury.


Week One- 15% of offensive snaps
Week Two- 10%
Week Three- 15%
Week Four- 20%


https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/browns-cedric-tillman-back-from-hip-injury/

I forget Bell even exists most of the time ... he's as nondescript as it gets

Should be clear why I even asked. But I just thought if you don't throw it to him, it's gotta be hard to say he's not living up to expectations.

I honestly beleive you can say that about any of the WR's on this Browns team

wonder why the run game was working better than the pass game

Why is it that no matter how we address the WR position, once we get into the season, we feel like we don't have any WR's?

Basically, we have Cooper, and then Moore gets a bunch of touches, usually behind the LoS. It feels like the rest never show up.

Prp... I'd argue it's the Browns QBs that are 'no shows'.

Moore only has (1) game where he has over 50+ yards receiving and has not eclipsed 60+ yards on the season. That's egregious.

The Browns QBs have combined for an appalling five TD passes on the season and Cooper is the only WR to catch a TD pass.

Will Levis has played one game as a rookie and threw four TD passes.

The Browns QB play has been utterly atrocious.

I understand your point. If on the other hand he wasn't getting open, the QB isn't going to throw it his way. It's one of those things we aren't going to see, but I would assume the coaches see those things. It might explain why he wasn't seeing the field very much.

My take would be that we have such poor and/or inconsistent QB play that our offense bogs down. For instance, Walker locks onto Cooper when we need plays .. and unless we kinda force the ball to Moore or Njoku via screen game/quick stuff, he disregards them

That could certainly explain why he lacked targets and time on the field. I mean, if he's not getting open, why have him here. We'll be able to see that a little in Detroit.

At this point, we don't even have a QB able to get him and other receivers the ball. So how can we tell? Almost a catch-22! (no pun intended)

Jimmy G just got benched. Maybe we can get him for a 3rd?

I believe that may not be accurate but there's no way for me to know for sure. When you have a backup QB who doesn't seem to go through his progressions, is it the WR's that aren't showing up or the QB never looking at them when they do show up? I haven't done the film study because I don't have the resources to do so. I have however seen it posted many times that fans have seen a lot of WR's open and Walker simply didn't look their way. From my observation Walker tends to lock onto Cooper for anything medium to long and Moore more as an outlet. Then he also leans on Njoku sometimes. So I'm not sure if it's a question of those other WR's or the fact Walker simply lacks the ability to spread the ball around.

Oh, look, the alphabet boys slumming down there together... DPJ and OBJ.

I guess if you call 6-2 slumming.

Aiyuk is severely underrated IMO ... he's looked really good

I didn't know the team's record was part of the analysis there -- guess you learn something new everyday.

So was your comment due to slums in Detroit? I would say playing for a team with a 6-2 record that is leading their division by two games would be a better situation for a player, not a worse one. And I'm pretty sure both of them are in a tax bracket where they aren't forced into "slumming it". So what did you mean exactly?

"Slumming it" meaning they are both near the bottom of the graph.

It. is. not. that. hard.


And in case you forgot...

I hope every WR and RB wants to score a TD. I mean we could use more of those. That seems to be a little shallow. It was then and it is now. And what does that have to do with DPJ?

I'm assuming you also struggled with the bouncing-ball-singalongs on the old-school cartoons?

There's nothing to struggle with here. At this point you're just making excuses and deflecting.

Mmmm hmmmm. Still with the deflection shtick I see.

What exactly am I deflecting? I merely compared the two and you pooped your pants.

Tell us, since OBJ clearly sucks this year, what do you want the conversation to be about?

So you lumped DPJ in with OBJ because he doesn't have a legitimate QB to throw him the ball? I certainly understand that OBJ comment. People still have a hard on for him. They tend to focus on minor things like you pointed to when it comes to certain players while making excuses for players with much bigger issues. Yeah, I get that. But DPJ was a sixth round draft pick who did nothing but work his ass of for this team and worked his way up to being at least a mid level WR. It seems your comparison simply doesn't make any sense. Pointing that out isn't pooping my pants. Once again rather than make any sense you try and make that my fault.

Fans thinking like you is why the browns never get right. OBJ was the second worst thing to happen to the browns in the last ten years. First is the DW trade. And that ten years included Hue and Johnny Fn football…

Then post a "worked his ass off" chart and we'll change the argument to that.

OBJ's "minor things" (besides the graph posted that shows him near the bottom from an efficiency perspective):

14 catches 162yds 0TD... that projects out to 33/385/0

Maybe daddy needs to make a new video?

So no answer for why you tied DPJ to him. Just as I expected.

I stated that DPJ worked his ass off. Not OBJ. Reading is fundamental.

So are you blaming OBJ for the terrible deal the FO made in order to get him?

Where did I say you attributed that to OBJ??? "reading is fundamental"

I "tied" the two together because they are both at the crappy end of the chart. JUST LOOK at it, OBJ's name is right above DPJ's.

Can you see it?? Just look and you'll have all your answers.

Hints -- it has nothing to do with:

Either team's record
TDs
Poverty in Detroit
DJP's work ethic
Your hard on for OBJ
DJP's draft slot
King Dorsey's trade for OBJ