DPJ had some nice moments, but he is a dime a dozen receiver. That is why we got a 2025 6th rounder. This was the last year of his contract. I don't think many in here actually felt he was going to be signed to another contract.
Trade him and get something. We got something. Time to move on.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Good Luck DPJ. You came to Cleveland, worked your ass off every day, never complained, did everything the Browns ask of you, never complained, and always had a great attitude. You were a great team mate, and even better person. Good luck buddy.
Not a big deal really. But I do have a question, how many times was he targeted this year?
not many ... he only had like a dozen catches or something. We had phased him out (of course, having Walker at QB has affected everything too)
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
So your belief is that you replace a starting WR with a guy who hasn't even been active on game day? Who hasn't even been able to see the field for weeks now? Well alrighty then.
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Also, what receiver would you sit to get Tillman the reps he needs?
According to you they wouldn't. Instead they would trade away a starting WR to do it. Trade away a starter for a kid that they won't even activate on game day. But to your credit, it does sort of sound like something this FO might do.
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DPJ wasn't playing very well this season. He wasn't in the plans going forward. To me, it makes sense to get guys who are supposed to be the future more reps.
Trade feels kind of win-win. DPJ gets to "go home" to an apparent contender. We get some draft capital, and get more reps for young guys. It would have been nice if we'd gotten more, but unfortunately this season's production was more or less non-existent.
I wish him the best, unless he's playing the Browns. He seemed like a good dude.
Last edited by Bull_Dawg; 11/01/2311:41 AM. Reason: P.S. I wonder if this might hint at DTR being up at QB. He has the past/chemistry with Cedric.
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You are right. We probably weren't going to keep him after this year, so anything you can get for him is a plus. I get it.
It's just that there are 2 things about this that grind my gears.
1. He improved each year, blocked well, and caught tough catches. I don't like booting WRs that do that. 2. The whole "we're shipping a guy out so that the guy that couldn't work his way onto the field can get on the field" is stupid.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I think point #2 should be taken with a grain of salt. Nobody from the Browns coaching staff or FO has made that statement. If they do it would certainly be stupid.
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You are right. We probably weren't going to keep him after this year, so anything you can get for him is a plus. I get it.
It's just that there are 2 things about this that grind my gears.
1. He improved each year, blocked well, and caught tough catches. I don't like booting WRs that do that. 2. The whole "we're shipping a guy out so that the guy that couldn't work his way onto the field can get on the field" is stupid.
1. He improved each year up to this year. This year he regressed. While QB play is a factor, I don't think that's all of it. DPJ has been near the bottom of the league in creating separation this year despite playing a majority of snaps, I believe, though I need to verify that still. Just saw a tweet earlier from a guy that's usually reliable with stat-related stuff. I also think his effort has been inconsistent this year, though that's a subjective take.
2. I'm hoping Tillman and DTR have been getting lots of reps together all season, and they want them to try to carry that chemistry onto the field and they think they're both ready for real now. Probably Copium, but it would be nice.
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Tillman has been in on 45 snaps this year. 10 less than Bell and 31 less than Goodman, the two right above him. All snaps came in the first 4 weeks of the season and hasn't played since the bye. Edit to add: Because he is/was dealing with an injury.
I forget Bell even exists most of the time ... he's as nondescript as it gets
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Not a big deal really. But I do have a question, how many times was he targeted this year?
not many ... he only had like a dozen catches or something. We had phased him out (of course, having Walker at QB has affected everything too)
Should be clear why I even asked. But I just thought if you don't throw it to him, it's gotta be hard to say he's not living up to expectations.
I understand your point. If on the other hand he wasn't getting open, the QB isn't going to throw it his way. It's one of those things we aren't going to see, but I would assume the coaches see those things. It might explain why he wasn't seeing the field very much.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Why is it that no matter how we address the WR position, once we get into the season, we feel like we don't have any WR's?
Basically, we have Cooper, and then Moore gets a bunch of touches, usually behind the LoS. It feels like the rest never show up.
My take would be that we have such poor and/or inconsistent QB play that our offense bogs down. For instance, Walker locks onto Cooper when we need plays .. and unless we kinda force the ball to Moore or Njoku via screen game/quick stuff, he disregards them
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Not a big deal really. But I do have a question, how many times was he targeted this year?
not many ... he only had like a dozen catches or something. We had phased him out (of course, having Walker at QB has affected everything too)
Should be clear why I even asked. But I just thought if you don't throw it to him, it's gotta be hard to say he's not living up to expectations.
I understand your point. If on the other hand he wasn't getting open, the QB isn't going to throw it his way. It's one of those things we aren't going to see, but I would assume the coaches see those things. It might explain why he wasn't seeing the field very much.
That could certainly explain why he lacked targets and time on the field. I mean, if he's not getting open, why have him here. We'll be able to see that a little in Detroit.
At this point, we don't even have a QB able to get him and other receivers the ball. So how can we tell? Almost a catch-22! (no pun intended)
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Why is it that no matter how we address the WR position, once we get into the season, we feel like we don't have any WR's?
Basically, we have Cooper, and then Moore gets a bunch of touches, usually behind the LoS. It feels like the rest never show up.
I believe that may not be accurate but there's no way for me to know for sure. When you have a backup QB who doesn't seem to go through his progressions, is it the WR's that aren't showing up or the QB never looking at them when they do show up? I haven't done the film study because I don't have the resources to do so. I have however seen it posted many times that fans have seen a lot of WR's open and Walker simply didn't look their way. From my observation Walker tends to lock onto Cooper for anything medium to long and Moore more as an outlet. Then he also leans on Njoku sometimes. So I'm not sure if it's a question of those other WR's or the fact Walker simply lacks the ability to spread the ball around.
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Aiyuk is severely underrated IMO ... he's looked really good
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
So was your comment due to slums in Detroit? I would say playing for a team with a 6-2 record that is leading their division by two games would be a better situation for a player, not a worse one. And I'm pretty sure both of them are in a tax bracket where they aren't forced into "slumming it". So what did you mean exactly?
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I hope every WR and RB wants to score a TD. I mean we could use more of those. That seems to be a little shallow. It was then and it is now. And what does that have to do with DPJ?
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So you lumped DPJ in with OBJ because he doesn't have a legitimate QB to throw him the ball? I certainly understand that OBJ comment. People still have a hard on for him. They tend to focus on minor things like you pointed to when it comes to certain players while making excuses for players with much bigger issues. Yeah, I get that. But DPJ was a sixth round draft pick who did nothing but work his ass of for this team and worked his way up to being at least a mid level WR. It seems your comparison simply doesn't make any sense. Pointing that out isn't pooping my pants. Once again rather than make any sense you try and make that my fault.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Fans thinking like you is why the browns never get right. OBJ was the second worst thing to happen to the browns in the last ten years. First is the DW trade. And that ten years included Hue and Johnny Fn football…
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.