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One has a QB that is good the other has a QB that throws for 50%. But let's not let facts get in the way of anything.

I'm done -- have a nice day!!

No, I blame him and his daddy for turning the rabid angry fanbase against Baker for no damn reason. OBJ is a diva has-been and he was washed up when he got here.

Repeat after me ...

Baker is not good.

Baker is not good.

Baker is not good.

The fans would have turned on him at some point anyway.

No wonder Diam always said stats are for losers. You can manipulate them to tell any story you want them to when you leave out the important facts that give them context. You just gave a prime example of that.

j/c:

The length someone needs go to (even after their original point was shown to be incorrect/misguided) and the stupidity in their continued arguing, goalpost moving they are willing to expose just to satisfy the need to have an online argument with someone continues to amaze me.....even after all these years on Dawgtalkers.

It's in every thread covering every topic. Football, non-football, politics, surveys.

I personally find it entertaining. He's here for our entertainment.

There's no need for you to be so self deprecating.

"Are you not entertained?!" from Gladiator comes to mind.

A few of you are very entertaining.

And we have now devolved to the "I know you are, but what am I" stage of the thread.

And there you go. I was just waiting for it. Typical, quite typical. Is that all you got?

Hahaha. It's was inevitable.

Yeah!! Is that all you got, Rish?!

And the gangs all here! How many times do you have to fail at this to know that your attacks are futile? What is the definition of insanity again? Oh yeah.... "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.". Yet here you all are once again riding on the crazy train.

I'm glad other people see it.

And you came in to clean up the rear again.

I'd take him over what we have (other than a healthy Watson that is)

To me it would depend on his contract status. I wouldn't want to give up a 3rd for a half season rental. If he is signed for 2-3 years, how much becomes the question. You want a decent back-up, but you don't want one making starter type money.

Just looked briefly, he signed a 67 mil deal. His salary the next 2 years is around 11 mil a year. That is doable. However, there are roster bonuses for 11 mil each year. Seems pretty pricy for a back-up, but starter salaries have jumped big time the last few years so maybe the back ups will rise as well, but from what I see most teams are looking for guys on rookie deal to back-up.

That's all I'd want him for a backup with the right deal of course. Remember about 6 or 7 years ago, maybe longer, when we offered New England a couple of 1st round picks and a 2nd if I recall correctly. BB didn't want to send him here.

After so many decades I'm done trying to figure out the seemingly boneheaded moves our FO makes.

If they win games, I'm good, if you lose, they're bad. If we make the playoffs this year, I'll say everything we did was good lol

I think your recall is fuzzy. I don't think we ever offered a couple of 1st rounders and a 2nd unless you are talking about fans talking on a message board. I assumed when you said 'we", you were talking about the Browns FO.

A WR's ability to create separation isn't dependent on QB play.

#notthatfactsmatter

DPJ for a 6th in twenty> twenty five.
Well, the pick, a future pick, can in no way help you win a championship this year or next year.
so, mathematically, it's a terrible trade.

pretty simple and straightforward too.

a WR that doesn't get open can't do much to help you win a championship, either, so even if his replacement doesn't do anything at all, we come out ahead because of that future 2025 pick.

Whomever is stepping up in his place needs to get 1.125 receptions and 12.1 yards per game to match his output while not being useless as a blocker. That's not a very high bar to meet.

I think it is nonsense to say DPJ can't get open. The reason he was dealt is this. They drafted Cedric Tillman and feel he has more physical tools than DPS. Taller, stronger, better red zone target etc... DPJ was going to be a free agent after the season, and they already made the decision they were not going to resign him. So, they traded him for a 6th, bring up the rookie they feel is an upgrade, and see what they can get player, or piece to a trade package with the 6th round pick. That simple.

Cedric Tillman did stand out in the preseason and after 8 weeks they must feel it is time to get him involved. DPJ is a good WR. He will never be #1 type receiver. He is someone that can help a team but not a put that team over the top type player. I think we have seen DPJ's ceiling and must feel Tillman has a higher ceiling with the attributes he brings to the table that DPJ does not.

A QB going through his progressions and targeting a WR is.

DPJ literally has a separation grade below zero on the graph I posted earlier. I'm not entirely sure how that is possible, but it would seem to lend some credence to the idea that DPJ hasn't been getting open this year.

He caught 61 passes for 839 yards last season. Now that the Browns QB's have stunk it up he forgot how to be a WR. Haven't you been paying attention?

Exactly, it's much easier for a QB to go through his progressions and target a receiver if his receivers are creating separation and getting open.

Yeah, the argument that DPJ forgot how to be a productive WR since last season makes more sense than poor QB play. It's hilarious how some people can make such an argument.

...have you watched DPJ on the all-22 this season?

So he forgot how to be a productive WR during the off season. Case closed I suppose. For some reason I have a feeling Detroit has better resources to base such decisions on. They concluded that he didn't forget how to be a WR. So you just keep watching all-22.

Pit, I'd be willing to wager that DPJ has a very productive rest of the season with Detroit. I'd trade any QB we've had in the last 33 years for Jared Goff.

So, let me get this straight. The Browns currently have the lowest rated NFL QB playing due to their 230M elite QB injury whose own current performance is sporting a 41.8 QBR. The Browns have the lowest PFF Graded starting LT in the NFL and nearly the lowest rated OT overall. The OL has underperformed. RB has regressed, rightfully so, due to Chubb's injury but is what the Browns currently have at RB the best they can do? LB appears to be an issue since the Browns have allowed over 100 yds rushing to their last 4 opponents. A revamped WR group that has totaled (1) one offensive TD this season through 7 games. A FO group that has 35.3M in available cap space after having the highest overall actual spend over the last 3-years of 180M plus over the cap.

Knowing all of this, the big moves from the Browns was to take a 6th round draft pick starting WR and trade him to the Detroit Lions for a future 2025 6th round draft pick. DPJ had 839 yds receiving last year with 3 TD's yet only targeted 18 times in 7 games in 2023. Supposedly, this will open up an opportunity for 3rd round rookie WR Tillman who has been inactive the last 2 games due to not being able to unseat any of the other Browns active receivers playing ahead of him. This move with the scuffling of 3 PS members were the Browns big moves at the trade deadline for a team that is supposedly "all in" for 2023.

The trade deadline has passed with the Browns basically having no upgrades anywhere for a 4-3 team that has had 50% of their wins come from a missed chip shot FG by an opponent and two, verified by the NFL, wrongly called penalties in another game that should have been losses. JMHO, but if I was the owner, I'd be pissed that 180M plus has been spent over the cap the last 3-years and this is the best my FO and HC can do for my huge overspend.

You may want to add to your agenda driven rant that the Browns have faced so far, the 3rd toughest schedule in the NFL in win %. Only the Patriots and Panthers have faced teams with a higher win %. Now that % will go down after this Sunday with the 1-7 Cardinals. Just thought you may want to tell the whole story and not just what fits your narrative!!!

You make some very good points. So far this season Cooper who is without question is the Browns #1 WR has a grand total of 30 catches and 1 td. That's based on a grand total of 58 targets all season. According to the logic I've been reading, he certainly must not be #1 WR material.

I mentioned this earlier. I think DPJ has lost a step. That is why this year matters and last years doesn't.

He is a year older. Maybe a few lbs heavier. That matters for a guy who wasn't exactly fast to begin with.