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yep, DW has done it quite a few times in the short amount of games. He's actually kinda like lamar in his ability to be elusive and hard to bring down in the pocket. That will be key for us against the Ravens.. I just hope we are working on a game plan to dink and dunk and screen them to death and then hit them deep with PA. I like how schwartz said where people fail against Lamar is they try to contain him in the pocket, his plan is to treat him like a ball carrier at all times, hit him hard and often and just attack him like he's a RB or WR.

Should be a key factor on Sunday.

It's amazing how different JOK looks in a defense where it's designed to allow him to use his skill set.

While I supported the JOK pick as well for all of the reasons you mentioned, you were certainly the most vocal supporter of him and there wasn't even a close second.

The biggest difference with Jackson & Mahomes and the the rest of the mobile QBs in the league is that no one ever seems to lay a good solid square-up lick on Jackson or Mahomes. They’re just super gifted at not getting seriously hit. It’s the most confounding thing. But I think it also means you can’t try to murder them. They’ll totally dust you if you sell out against them when they’re running. You have to nag them, box them in, clutter their decision making and take away their rhythm. JOK as a straight-up spy is a pretty good idea imo. He’s not a big hitter but he’s got wheels and he’s a solid tackler. It’ll leave more open field kuncovered but I think if we’ve learned anything, Jackson with open lanes is game dominator.

The Brett Kollman analysis of him was spot on and knew that he was going to be a factor with whatever team he was going to get drafted to.

Certainly was banging the JOK drum as that draft we really needed linebackers.

People have put plenty of good hits on mahomes, he's hurt alot too.. But not sure why you are excluding Watson from those two.. he's every bit if not more mobile than mahomes, he's also been more successful at it too.

Not over the past few years he hasn't. I mean if people can cancel what a Browns WR did last year because of what he produced this year, why would it be okay to give credit to another Browns player claiming he can do this year what he hasn't done in years? just a little consistency here would be nice.

Still upset over nothingburger DPJ...and the last couple years suspended and hurt this year sure he hasn't.. thats an obtuse comment, The whole time in the NFL he's been a great runner, despite missing 3 years basically he STILL has more rushing yards, ypc and tds than mahomes. Thats my point. People act like DW isn't on the same level as mahomes when it comes to mobility and he is and more.. And DPJ isn't here because he was the 88th rank WR and dead last in separation. That has zero to do with QB. we didn't miss him at all and we will be fine and maybe he will too. I would venture to say if DPJ had another year on his contract he would probably still be here.

There’s a DPJ thread in Pure Footfall, as you know.

JOK is a guy I learned about after we drafted him, soon liked his speed, tackling especially and his get-to-the-football thing he does. I thought he’s been very good for us this year and those stats are damn impressive.

Who can hurt us the most?
Lamar Jackson. Make someone else beat you.

D has to be at their best, Jim needs to dial up a great plan, as he did against the 49ers.

Yes sir I couldn't agree more. I am thinking so.ething like 34-9

Browns run defense is very overrated. Teams can gash us when they want. Ravens are on top 5 of nfl in rushing. Browns have a very long list of injured players also.

Ravens are one of the best at getting to the qb. Watson has always had one of the slowest ball release times in the NFL since he became a pro. He is not very good at reading a defense. Not a good combination

I hope all you doomers eat crow on Sunday.

The poster above you also predicted an easy win for the Cardinals last Sunday.

did anyone else watch the Bengals double spy Allen on key 3rd downs? It brought up an interesting idea for us to do that against Baltimore

Man up with Delpit on Andrews, Ward on Flowers, and double spy Lamar with JOK and Taki

I think schwartz has the right idea, it just comes down to execution. but you have to treat Lamar like a ball carrier at all times while also being cognizant of the scramble drill, almost 100% of their big plays come from that. Our linebackers outside of Jok are very meh, and slow.. we will def need safety in the box help but then TE are going to be open down the field +

Me, too, because the season is toast if we don't get to eat crow.

I feel that there is a difference between acknowledging shortcomings and doomsaying, however. Facing reality doesn't mean you don't try to have hope; you just see that the odds of that hope paying off are slimmer than you'd like.
The offense has not been prolific or efficient and it has struggled mightily with turnovers regardless of who the QB is, and the defense has struggled with teams that run well and force us into zone when they want to: Ravens, Colts.
You are what you do, and if nothing changes, nothing changes.

If the defense can stick to what it does well and can dictate for itself what it will do instead of being forced into reacting to what they're doing, we'll shut them down.
If the offense can simply get rid of the turnovers, we're 100% better off than we were the last time, and if Watson can figure out how to play like he did vs the Cards, then we're in for a treat. Our run game will still suck because Ford ain't Chubb, and the Ravens D is effectively as good as ours, but it is what it is.

My random defensive idea was having Myles follow Andrews whenever he is inline and have Myles use the TE as a human battering ram on the OT on his way to the QB. It would both delay Andrews in getting out into a route and theoretically be an easier pass blocking matchup than an OT. See how many defensive "pancakes" he could get while generally causing chaos in the blocking scheme. Perhaps also have Za'Darius inside on Myles' side and use him as a looper. Maybe have Hurst outside crashing through Andrews with Myles as the looper.

Well, I’m in the camp that believes this is very likely a loss. The main fault line being their defense against our OL. This really is going to be on Ski & DW to cook up a plan to get the ball out QUICK and try, however we can, to get the run game going. If we can’t get 1st downs and our D is living on the field it’s just a matter of until we break. I really do feel this game is about our O and maintaining possession for as long as possible. Gonna be very hard to do.

But hey, we almost every year have 1 big upset win. Maybe we spent that chip already with San Fran. Maybe we have 2.

I for one will gladly dine upon roast crow if it comes to pass. Garnished with mango chutney and a nice merlot please.

Browns defensively need to clog up the middle, and force things to the outside.

well Andrews is split out wide too much to rely on having Myles take him out IMO ... but I'm worried about our OL too. It's an issue

With their D it's probably the biggest issue.

I think we win by 10 or more.

Some here need to temper their awestruck attitude toward the Ravens. They lost to the Colts and Steelers, and only beat the Cards and the Titans by one score each. They spanked us when we trotted a shell shocked DTR under center. The rats did have convincing wins vs the Lions and Seahawks, but it's not like they're doing that to everybody.

Would love that my good friend

I too hope that

I feel it might be a field goal at the last minuete

To win it !

For the Browns that is.

42-10 Browns

Hey they legalized weed WTH !

LOL !!!

Being that the Ravens lost to the Colts and Steelers if I were KS and his staff I would look at the films and see what they did to beat them.

NfL network at midnight had as a note note about the ,
Browns have given up ten point nine; points per game at home,
but twenty something point eight? ]well over 24] points per game on the road this year.

I don't think the game will be 'real close, I think whichever team wins; will rip the rug out from under the other one,

I just hope it's the Browns that win this time.

Myles doing Myles things

The Browns need to play a perfect game to win with the situation at OT. I would like to see them control time of possession with effective running and a short passing game. The defense needs to keep Jackson in the pocket at all costs and might even need to score (or a special teams score). If Stefanski gets pass happy over 15-20 yards I think the Browns are in trouble. Cannot afford a bunch of 3 and outs. Bojorquez can hopefully give the Ravens long fields all day long. It's going to be a stiff test but the season is not over if the Browns lose. Winning the division might be out the window. The Steeler game is a MUST win if the Browns do not win this week.

The offense has their work cut out for them, for sure.... we NEED them to step it up to have any shot at all.

Of course, if the defense can find a way to get a few defensive scores, it'll make life a lot easier.

Obo is on there too in pretty good shape.

Imagine if Myles wasn't held on every play!!!!