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You can think that if you like. I believe you are missing the point, but that's ok. Watch DTR game 1 and game 2. If you can't see the difference that's fine. If you think losing games when we're running at 8 yards a clip and we start getting pass happy is ok, fine too. Theres people who say every play call is a great call except for the execution... I disagree.

I’m on record many times saying results don’t lie. A win is a win no matter what and Stefanski has this season shown that he’s capable of staying cool when it matters\ most. Turning the game momentum around against the Steelers was impressive. That took many with surprise.

His play calling isn’t sensational but Kevin has installed discipline and cut out rookie plays and unnecessary mistakes, that makes a difference. Two field goal wins tells the story. Our defense is the backbone of our game but Ski has started to turn water into wine at the end of the game, that’s new for him.

With wins the chemistry gets better and everyone enjoying themselves and with that it creates a better winning mentality. I’m not going to look for negatives as long as we’re winning so let the joyride continue. Go Browns! (all the way)

One more thought on Ski; giving Jimmy D a game ball was pure class IMO.

I agree. It's too bad Jimmy had postgame duties for the broadcast. That would have been even more epic with a locker room full of players.

I have intentionally avoided this thread because of the disdain of posters for KS.

Some random thoughts.

To me the best way to evaluate a coach is how he does versus expectations.

Marty could post a 500 record regardless of roster talent.

Staley has a great roster and underperforms. Imagine the browns with Herbert.

Aaron Donald made Staley a smart coach.

Bill Belechek is not as smart since Tom Brady left.

Jim Schwartz makes KS a smarter coach.

Tomlin finds a way to win without Big Ben.

There is too much bravado about KS abilities, but the he seems to adapt to the opponent and players.

Romeo once said that a properly executed and successful play will make a coach smart.

I think KS does a good job. He certainly does not deserve that trash that is stated about him on this website.

I have critiques, like not Benching Mayfield and letting Keenan go a few more games. But that is me.

we don’t always know the challenges of the internal decisions, but from a coaching perspective he appears competent.

My opinion does not matter. Haslam’s and Berry’s do.

He has maturedand learned from past mistakes.

Protecting his QB is one step forward. Making fast plays basically took Watt out of the game. That’s a sign of improvement since 2021 when he totally abandoned Baker and let him pay with his health because of immaturity and poor leadership. I’m glad Kevin has learn his lesson.

Install discipline and cutting out unnecessary mistakes is another sign of good management. Once again his handling of today’s roster compared to two seasons ago is day and night. Much of this is about maturity and not putting his ego in front of any decision.


Like I said before. Results don’t lie. Baker paid the price because of his own immaturity and stubbornness but Kevin Stefanski was also part of the problem. That’s history now but it’s good that he learned and rightfully deserve praise for his improvement.

Fire him now

He needs to relinquish play calling. If he does not then fire him!!!

I think Stefanski has had a really good season.

The Browns were due a loss. It's a shame it was predominantly due to the head coach, but he's built some goodwill, IMO.

I think you let the season play out. If the Browns do not make the playoffs, then you have the discussion.

There’s a reason very few HCs call their own plays, because it’s extremely hard to keep abreast of the whole game. The very few that do it well are the exception. Shanahan, Reid, Payton. The rest that try struggle. Stefanski gets tunnel vision. His situational playcalling and red zone playcalling is abysmal. He calls the same plays regardless of the personnel and that’s a problem. If he’s going to be a successful HC he has to let someone else call the plays. If not, so be it. Calling plays is more important to him than being. HC

Probably more due to self preservation. If you call the plays, you can't point to playcalling.

That said, I don't think he does a bad job, though this game wasn't very good.

There was NO doubt we were due a loss. Look at these wins:

at Indy, SF, at Baltimore, Pittsburgh .. all the final play in our favor

Playing in Denver (who needed to win) after two huge wins by us ... that's a recipe for a loss

It all will depend on how we can overcome these injuries in the next few weeks

Aside from that insane double reverse and not running the ball, I am not sure about EXTENDING Stefanski's contract anymore...

It seems as though every game, the or third 3rd play scripted play on offense is a wide receiver screen to the left. It is so predictable that we have had 2 INTs on that play, for a pick 6. Does he not change the look ? Does he not realize he does this ? If I can notice this, I am sure the coaches on other teams, who are looking for tendencies, notice this. A double reverse works as a surprise, but using the same play several times a game is not a surprise, it becomes a tendency.

Turn the play calling over to someone not so predictable.

well, the reverse/flea flicker type stuff around mid field is BEYOND predictable at this point .. you can set you watch to it. We gotta ditch that, especially with PJ Walker and Pierre Strong out there

There were probably 3 times we got too cute today and ALL of them resulted in big negative plays

What? lol. The reverse/flea flicker is predictable?

I wouldn't call it predictable, but just not very sensible to run with the personnel or situation.

First of all it was what? 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 7. Walker is fresh in the game. Why do that? We're averaging roughly 5 or 6 yards a carry. Just call a simple run play, up the middle/off tackle I don't care. Just keep it simple. Instead he brings in Strong who has been sitting the entire game and you expect him to run that play cold off the bench? That just isn't puting your players in the best position at all to succeed.

That is a logical response.

My feeling on that late flea flicker is Stefanski knew we were in deep trouble offensively and dug deep in the playbook hoping to catch some lightening in a bottle.

It didn't work.

When the schedule came out I saw the Denver game and chalked that up as a loss. We rarely win against Denver, the tradition continues. I was a little more confident about next weeks game, but not by much. Next weeks game is going to have a big impact on where this team ends up. Staying on west coast time for the week might have some positive impact.

We were due for a bad game, it happens to the best of them. Now that it seems like our best player at every single position group is now injured, we're going to have more. Nobody can overcome that.

Stefanski actually called a really good game.

DTR and Walker have accounted for 9 picks and we are sitting at like -7 with our turnover ratio.

You can't win many games this way.

lol no..he didn't.. you have the the 32nd ranked defense against the run and your lead back had 9 carries..

If DTR can't go next week, I would personally like to see Flacco over PJ since PJ's ceiling is about the same as Harrison Bryants floor as our emergency QB.

If I describe Stefanski with one sentence it would be....

One step forward, two steps back.

And what is their ranking in pass defense?

No idea. But if you're in game and your run game is working and your passing game isn't..... Should you call more pass plays or more run plays? It's no more complicated than that.... If you go run heavy and they stop what you were doing well, then we have a new discussion but it doesn't sound like that's what happened.

they have had 12 takeaways in the 3 games prior.. they are just below middle of pack in pass defense in most categories, but they have defended 44 passes this year... def not their weak point.. and kinda irrelevant because we are the ones with the rookie 5th rounder who was completing 3.8 yards per completion with no tds and 4 int and 29 qbr. So that screams run the ball and don't ask him to carry the load. We did the opposite and got curb stomped

I don't know the ranking of their pass defense, but I know the Dolphins scored 70 points on them.

Only a team Browns fans despise can make a 360 degree turn like the Broncos have. Do you think WE could ever do something like that?

He should stop getting guys killed.

I did a breakdown of teams and their QBs for the season. I wanted to add top injuries to each team, however it was going to be way too time consuming and subjective on who's key players for each team.



Let's look at the AFC teams

1. Ravens 9-3 Jackson played all 12 games
2. Chiefs 8-3 Mahomes played all 11 games
3. Jaguars 8-3 Lawrence played all 11 games
4. Dolphins 8-3 Tagovailoa played all 11 games

Wild card teams at the moment
5. Steelers 7-4 Pickett played in all 11 games
6. Browns 7-4 three possibly now four QBs in 11 games
7. Colts 6-5 two different QBs in 11 games

Teams still in the hunt or not
8. Texans 6-5 Stroud played in all 11 games
9. Broncos 6-5 Wilson played in all 11 games
10. Bills 6-6 Allen played in all 11 games
11. Bengals 5-6 Burrow played in 10, Browning 1 game
12. Raiders 5-6 Garoppolo 6 games, O'Connell 6 games (started 5)

The rest of the teams are 4-7 or lower
13. Chargers - with Herbert
14. Titans - with Tannehill and Levis
15. Jets - Rogers for a play or two then Wilson then Boyle
16. Patriots with Jones

exactly, maybe stop doing designed qb runs with stick figure qb's or having them out the blocking linebackers on the outside. Its the most important position on the field and it needs to be protected such, we don't and this is the result. Atleast if Flacco plays KS can't call any designed runs and force him to let the QB be.... you know... a QB

It only takes one game among such a fickle crowd.

Hi bone. I don't think it's fair to say it's BS and dismiss any criticism.

To your point I just counted the number of passes on first down in the first half of the game. I included any scrambles by DTR has a pass attempt. It's over 12.... Compared to maybe 3 run attempts. The final drive in the last moments of the first half stacked about five pass attempts comma but the numbers speak for themselves. It's not third down anfong that drove the high number of passes from looking at those play calls.

None of which should prevent you supporting KS 1000%

I’ve come to the conclusion that this was just a bad game against a team we historically don’t play well against in a venue that’s very hard to play in. Hopefully we can get somewhat healthy and prepare for the Rams. Try and forget about it and move on.

This guy is available for hire and to take over play-calling duties for Stefanski.

Coach Bootyskins to the rescue!