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I'm not going to interject here if I think you're right or wrong. I have no way of knowing that. But if you're right and he sucks next season, I'm sure people will be blaming Stefanski for it. It's like, what they do.

Nobody needs to waste much effort responding to something of such little substance. This coaching staff took a team with an injury report that looked liker a bomb hit the locker room to the playoffs and you think it was a failure and they should give the coaching staff "one last chance"? Get that BS out of here.

I don't always agree with your posts, but you are 'spot-on' with this one....kudos.

Still riding that same amusement park ride I see. I think it's rated for children under 12.

I'm not the one making the accusations. Since you made the accusations it's up to you to prove you're right. Thus far it's been nothing but your opinion.

You do understand that when you are the one making such a claim it is up to you to back up and prove what you're saying is right don't you? It would appear you do not.

Here's an example of what you're trying to do here........

Stefanski has three wives and children by all of them. Prove me wrong.

People can make accusations about anything. The problem is it's up to them to back up their accusations.

Thank you for translating Pit.

We're still waiting for that conditioning program that you followed to keep yourself injury free.

It seems as though he may be trying to jockey himself into position to be hired by the Browns training staff. I'm sure they're dying to know his conditioning regimen.

Do you hear anybody outside Cleveland talk about injured players as a valid excuse for our brutal loss against the Texans?

Winners spend their time to improve compared to losers who use their time to find excuses. Nothing personal but I’m happy to be on the opposite side of the spectra from some of you.

Do you hear anyone with a brain claiming that such an extensive injury list isn't a major contributing factor to a teams performance?


Legitimate reasons and circumstances are factual. Those who deny that call them excuses.


Nothing personal but I'm happy that I'm on the opposite side of the "spectrum" from those that thinks existing factors play no part in the outcome and as such set themselves up for unreasonable expectations.

Ahhh... so you're a WINNER because you only come here to complain about how the Browns suck, but anyone that points out the fact that our roaster has been decimated by injury is a LOSER.

Stay classy.


It's always nice to visit the "Way Back Machine" lol


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So I'll ask the question which I implied before... What are your expectations for our team?

We'll stick to the offensive obstacles.

4 starting QBs. The last one, a 39 year old signed as a FA sitting at home.
Stud RB, the heart of the team, out wk 2. Among his replacements a FA RB signed off his sofa. A guy most agreed had lost one of not 2 steps last year.
4th and 5th string OT forced to play most/much of the season.
OG fighting injuries final few games.

Are you looking for 17-0? Anything less would be excuses?

Looking for AFC champions? SB?

What is your expectation? Because for me if you want to simply complain and find fault it means the team failed to meet your expectations.... What were they?

Good at beating players with helmets

The Browns are 13 million over the cap for the upcoming year.not exactly
A good start to the off season. .
The Browns have issues at LT WR and LB.
The Browns if they sign FAs will have to go the bargain bin
Route in 2024. No splash signings.
Alot of 2nd and 3rd year players will need step in order
For the Browns to stay competitive in the North

Dude created an account to say "Good at beating players with helmets"

What is the thought process?

"This will get them fired up!" 🤣

And don't forget... no guarantees on returning to the playoffs.

That's the part that burns me the most. 😡

Step 1: wait till a team loses
Step 2: google losing team to find their team forum
Step 3: create screen name using a word that connects to their team
Step 4: use a past dramatic situation as your clever post
Step 5: reap the trolling rewards
Step 6: show mom and dad that you have new friends

There’s a rumor floating around that they’ve made advances in medicine, conditioning, aerobics, and exercise since the 70s and 80s.

Really a remarkable season...haven't had this much fun since 2020...even if it's another season that needs a few asterisks to really remember. Duct tape and bubble gum can only hold on so long.

The resiliency of the team was also remarkable and a welcomed change. That's reason enough for me to not even think about firing anyone from the coaches on up. It looks - and feels - like something good is brewing here...even if I'm skeptical. We have to find out if 2023 was real or never-before-seen luck.

Texting with a buddy last night and we concluded that the Browns were 5-1 against backup QBs (counting Tannehill as a backup and losing wk 18). One of those teams we beat with their backup QB later kicked our teeth in when we played them with their starter Saturday. Our backup QBs were better than theirs...but that tells us zilch going forward...largely to Joe being available and effective oftentimes.

For 2023, we played the #3 schedule in off-division games. For 2024 we will get the #2 schedule while the Bengals get the #4 schedule and get back the poser at QB. That's Dolphins, Saints, Jags for us. In those same off-division games the Steelers get the Jets, Falcons, Colts and the Bengals get the Patriots, Panthers, Titans. Those (3) non-same opponents might be the key. We will be in (3) dogfights there while the Bengals get essentially a bye week playing against (3) new head coaches and (3) trash QBs. If we go 0-3 and the Bengals go 3-0 that could kick us out for division crown aspirations.

I'm concerned that we will somewhat roll the dice again at QB. DW4 is coming off shoulder surgery on his throwing arm AND hasn't consistently demonstrated that - as a Brown - he is the top tier guy we hoped we were getting. I think signing Flacco is a no-brainer...warts and all.

Chubb should be back...but when will he be at full speed. Ford gets crapped on all to much as people forget he's a 2nd year, 5th Rd player. When I read people crap on Ford I wonder if they blame AB for not having a better option. I like Strong as he's faster and more-decisive, but we need to spend some assets at RB.

Our WRs outside of Cooper are less than pedestrian...again. Look at the WRs on the other playoff teams. We need to get better players here...period. Oh...and STOP with the little guys for crying out loud. If they don't run like Tyreke or Pacheco (sp?) DON'T get them.

We have a weird OL situation as our (2) best OTs play the same position and we've got a lot of money tied up in our LT who didn't look much better than the castoff who replaced him...and we are paying the interior (3) guys a truckload of $$$.

I won't get into the defensive players as we are solid there and really only need a better LB than A Walker...re-sign some guys and keep solidifying the backups with young guys who are good players. That and we already have to spend limited assets at QB2, RB, WR, WR.

I sure hope the team and FO don't sit back and pat themselves on the back as there is A LOT of work to do here.

scott...you can talk straight up to me...no need to pretty things up or attempt to be snide, if that was your purpose for your comment.

The Browns have an "injury problem" and if not corrected or addressed the Browns will never win a Super Bowl.

scott, have you ever heard it said, "you are what your record says you are"...and when we see so many of our players on IR, it's time for those responsible for conditioning and physical training program to be judged and improved.

As for my workout being old fashion, I went 2 yrs uninjured playing outside LB and OLine at a time when LBs could be cut at the knees with blockers being allowed to use cut blocks and roll-blocks. Football was violent with the rules being so lax. I was injured my sophomore year, in practice..playing center, when someone on our OL moved early and our idiot nose tackle decided to jump on the ball thinking it was a free ball. Broke a bone in my wrist and I missed the last 3 games of the season.

I could not snap the ball with a cast on but I convinced the coach that I could still play LB and that the pain did not bother me. Before the next game the coach devised a pad and I got all dressed ready to play but the officials had to OK the cast and pad and they said NO WAY would they allow me to play...

...that moment did something to me..it broke my heart, not being able to play the game I loved.

Watching the last 3 games of the season standing on the sidelines only drove the point home, how quickly I could lose the one thing I wanted more than anything, to play football. That moment drove me to do all I could to be in the best condition physically and mentally that I could achieve.

The Browns have a huge problem with injuries and just what it's going to take to overcome the problem is up to the owners and brain-trust of those in charge of running the franchise.

LOL - The White Snowflake. That about sums it up for me...

He's gone now because his mom wanted her laptop back.

So you were doing the same workout and conditioning routine as Walter Peyton when you were in high school?

Just a few words...

Criticizing the team is nothing personal against the team, the town of Cleveland or supporters on this site or anywhere else. Actually the opposite. I want us, the Cleveland Browns, to become better and strive for success. Accepting mediocrity isn't part of my character or personality.




The question I want to ask Andrew Berry is how far away is we from being a legit Super Bowl contender?

A couple of new players?
Maybe some changes on our coaches department?
Can we improve our winning mentality and how?

How do we make sur we get the best out of Watson?

Right now his stint with us has been a financial and result wise disaster. This can't continue without consequences.
What's your plan with him and our offensive going forward?

What's the goal for the Browns next season? Super Bowl? Winning the division?
What will be the consequences inside the organization if we don't reach our goals?


When the owners, DePodesta, Berry and Stefanski meet after the season I assume these are the kind of questions they will discuss.



The question I want to ask Kevin Stefanski what's his thoughts about being crushed by a rookie HC and a rookie QB in the first play off round?

Did he prepare the players mentally the right way?
What was his Plan B entering the 4Q when we hadn't made a succefull drive in almost two quarters of the game?


I want my HC showing anger after a loss of that calibre. I hate to see a coach showing almost zero emotions, almost walking away smiling after such a humiliating loss. That's not the reaction I connect with a proven winner. (Show me one successful athlete who don't hate to lose)
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For example compare this to Jürgen Klopp(Dortmund, Liverpool) and Pep Guardiola (Barcelona, Bayern M and Man City), both highly successfull managers who almost starts a fight inside the dressing room after a humiliating loss.

When David Beckham didn't do his defensive work properly his manager Sir Alex Ferguson kicked a boot in his eye who started bleeding and screamed about how lousy he was in front of the whole Manchester United dressing room. Lowering standard is our worst enemy.

Sir Alex won 13 PL titles, two CL titles, 1 World Cup title for clubs and couple of FA and LC trophys in 26 years. Most successfull club manager ever in Great Britain. The old man sometimes hated losses more then he liked winning. That's a mindset of a natural born winner. No room for excuses. No time for underachievers.

If only you could be his strength and conditioning coach.....

How many teams in NFL history have made the playoffs that had 5 starting QB's in that same season? You just keep espousing nonsense.

pit...have I ever claimed that the QB injuries were not a factor in the Browns performance...

But why are the Browns QBs so prone to injuries..?

The injury issue facing the Browns covers every position.

Yet you still haven't provided anything other than anecdotal evidence and questions to substantiate your claim. And BTW, my post you responded to was directed at Floquinho, not you.

Pretty accurate assessment.

We need DW to play well, but we know two things will happen - 1) he won't throw on time and on schedule and 2) he will get hurt.

But the team has a funny way of playing for him. They never got discouraged when he was playing poorly. If he can avoid #2, maybe we'll have a shot.

RB and WR are the biggest holes. I like Ford as well but I like him catching more than running I think. Can't expect Chubb to be Chubb.

Amari is a year older and Moore and Bell are not the answers. Hopefully Tillman takes a leap forward, but based on what he showed this season, I don't think you can on that.

It will be an interesting off season. I think Berry is going to have to work some magic.

I remember after his serious multiple knee injury in college a lot of NFL teams thought they could never "expect Chubb to be Chubb' either after that. That's why he was still sitting there in round 2 for the Browns to draft. They were wrong then and I hope you are wrong now. But I get why you think that.