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Did you lose your temper or why do you use personal insults and attack someone on a supporter forum?

Great post my friend. There's nothing in that post that is inaccurate.

No need to recant and wish you hadn't posted it and no need to respond to any/every post that derails several very good posts in this thread by several about BM and the state of the Browns. Honestly "somewhere in the middle" is where we should all be if we could be neutral about it. What I get from your post - Baker's not trash like many want(ed) to proclaim - and he's not a top 10-12 QB in the NFL either.... and as ever Folks who don't like Baker will manipulate the narrative to criticize whatever success he has - be it winning a playoff game in Pittsburgh, throwing 24 completions in a row to beat Cinci, or still being in the playoffs January 2024. Pointing that out doesn't make you a rah rah Baker fanboy.

You're not supporting the team when you've had a hatefest with the entire FO since Baker left. You're not supporting our forum when you (inaccurately) compare us to Houston fans supporting Watson. With that said, what I posted was rude, and I apologize.

It's ok FATE, accepted and we all have our bad days. Trust me I'm not a saint in that regard.

I'm not from Cleveland and I live in Scandinavia but that doesn't reduce my support for the Browns, but liking a team doesn't mean I support every decision or every FO/coaching staff. Like players - they come and go.

Secondly, for personal reasons, I deeply disliked the decision to trade Watson, Baker's future had nothing to do with that.

You can go back and check my initial post when I first heard the news about we were interested in a serial abuser and my feelings are still the same.
You can also check my initial thoughts about Andrew Berry and why I had so much hope for him as out new GM but after his handling with Baker and his contract when he acted like a dirty politician and his press conference when he introduced Watson he sold his soul and made himslef unlikable for those of us who supported these women in Houston, many of them with a similar skin color as Berry.
Either stand up and take accountability and admit winning is everything, even if you trade a scumbag, but don't f*ck*ing act like you care for these women or women in general when your actions says otherwise. That made me lose confidence in a important part of his leadership.

The same goes for Stefanski. First he letting his own player be brutally attacked by the best edge rusher in the league to the extend that it can be a career threatening injury, then go behind his back like a snake when he and Berry searching for replacements. They could both have done this much better by being more transparent and honest in their actions. It's no charm being a snake and sell out employees, even if you dislike them and want to get rid of them asap.

Both Berry and Stefanski can occasionally be excellent in their job but everything surrounding Watson was a huge f'ck 'p and the two recent seasons results supports my initial skepticism. You don't change the color of a Zebra and pretend that it's something else because with or without the stripes it's still a Zebra.

But you're right I have to cool down with my critismn. Its not healthy and it's boring for all in the end. Apologize for that and hope you and others can give me some slack and forgiveness for being so critical and used unneccessery space meant to other topics.

One thing nobody can take away from Baker is how clean that slide was.

I can still watch that on repeat.

Yep. Next level lol.

That game is among my favorite in Browns history. Both teams 8-3. Do we belong? Vrabel stuffed eight in the box and dared Mayfield to throw the ball... 290 yds and 4 TD in the first half. 38-7 at halftime.

Then we were outscored 28-3 in the second half and only won by 6. We also had a 41-14 point lead on the Cowboys after the 3rd qtr and allowed them to pull within 3. All those games were exciting, lol.

You know how it goes when you let off the throttle in this league. I don't seem how any team ever does. "Hey guys, let's switch to the grind it out offense and the play if safe defense."

While it looks ugly and sometimes teams pay the rice for it, I think it's a strategy based on analytics.

Let’s agree to disagree.

I have more than 30 years experience in management so I take your view quite lightly and I trust more my own eyes and conclusions after listening to both side of the story.

Let’s leave Baker now because I agree with FATE it’s boring. My bad. I should have stopped earlier.
The Browns season is over with all the good and bad memories so let’s move on and focus on the future.

Only someone with blind bias would think an 11-6 season while being forced to play 4 different starting QB's would be bad memories.

Anyone complaining about this season is nuts. Sure the playoff loss sucked, it was brutal. This season was actually fun, I go to almost every home game, I’ve spent God knows how much over the past 20+ years waiting for a season like this. 8-1 at home, almost ever game was FUN TO BE AT! Other years I think I could have burnt 10k in my driveway and would have had a better time. I’m hesitant to say we are building something here, but for the first time in, well, forever I feel like we are. The negativity surrounding this season from some posters is mind boggling to me. I’m actually looking forward to next season for once.

Analyst rips Browns for how they replaced Baker Mayfield with Deshaun Watson

By Zac Wassink | Last updated 1/19/24
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Former NFL quarterback and current NBC Sports football analyst Chris Simms ripped the Cleveland Browns for the way they handled current Tampa Bay Buccaneers signal-caller Baker Mayfield after Mayfield played through a serious injury to his non-throwing shoulder while with the Browns during the 2021 season.

"Baker got screwed over by the Browns — there’s no other way around it," Simms told Ryan Dunleavy of the New York Post for a piece published Friday. "He played with a hurt shoulder for a year [2021] and didn’t play great. They used that against him and then went out and tried to get Deshaun Watson without letting him know. He cancelled them out, then they realized, 'Oh, we’ve upset him. Now we have no quarterback. We have to finally get Deshaun Watson.'"

It was reported in March 2022 that Mayfield requested to be traded by the Browns after they initially failed to acquire Watson from the Houston Texans. ESPN's Jake Trotter noted at that time that "Mayfield and his camp learned about the Browns' meeting with Watson over social media."

Of course, the Browns eventually convinced Watson to relocate to Cleveland by giving him a historic fully guaranteed five-year, $230M contract. The club later traded Mayfield to the Carolina Panthers in July 2022.

Cleveland made Mayfield the first overall pick of the 2018 NFL Draft, and he guided the Browns to a playoff win at the division-rival Pittsburgh Steelers in January 2021. Mayfield more recently found new life for his career with the Buccaneers and will lead that team into this Sunday's divisional playoff game at the Detroit Lions.

Whatever happens this weekend, Mayfield will end the ongoing postseason tournament with more career playoff victories (two) than Watson (one).

"I think they are dangerous this weekend," Simms said about a Buccaneers team listed by DraftKings Sportsbook on Friday afternoon as a 6.5-point underdog against the Lions. "I think they match up really well with Detroit. If you ask me to pick one upset that could happen this week, it would be this one."

Simms isn't the only noteworthy analyst convinced Tampa Bay has a realistic chance to upset the Lions at Detroit's Ford Field.

If Mayfield clears the lions and goes to the championship round or all the way to the Super Bowl, then we need to bitch about it… but him having the success he has had in Tampa proves he wasn’t as bad as his neigh sayers like to believe. As a matter of fact, WE TRADED A FRANCHISE QB to get Watson, there is no other way around it. And we were fleeced. At least, as of now.

I just love to watch people fall for click bait like you did with that opinion piece you posted. But please don't expect the rest of us to.

Holy crap. Totally off-topic, but after watching that Mayfield slide video I just decided to see what Hollywood has been up to.

0 catches
0 yards
9 snaps

... since he left Cleveland two seasons ago.

I love Baker. He got a raw deal here. I hope he succeeds whereever he plays.

Reflect a little bit before jumping on the tangent board but let's go back in time a bit...

We lost Chubb to a horrific, in some cases a career threatning injury, that's bad memories in my book.
We lost other important players to injuries that reduced our chances to win against the Texans. Other memories I don't like.

Whatever my personal feelings is with Watson we lost our most important player in a really bad moment of the season, that's also a disappointment because at the end of the day I want the Browns to win no matter who plays.
Our successful defense delivered their worst game in the most important moment of the season and I had high hopes before the playoff that we could win something, WTF do you call that?
Flacco throw two turnovers as he usually does when he's stressed, Oh my God that was fun, columbusdawg, I cheered all the way when the Texans run into the end zone after that play because of a combination of stupid play calling (overusing of throws) and Flacco being Flacco, something an experienced OC or HC should have calculated in their game plan that could happen with his history and the stats from his few games with us. Another great memory, boys! Smiles all over I suspect...

Our whole team underperformed grossly in the second half in Houston and Stefanski looked totally outcoached and out of ideas, I don't know with you guys, but for a COTY candidate, I'm a little bit disappointed because if he that good at least something could be done a little bit better in my book, but hey boys, what a f'ck*ng nice way to end that season. I'm totally convinced that both of you where so happy and danced all the way to the bed that night.

I have said this before there's no good excuses after a loss. Your player on the field is your best players available and a HC has to deal with what he has. Stefanski didn't have any answers that afternoon but despite that, I can still be disappointed and feel sorry for him from a personall standpoint that his options was limited. You know sometimes you can keep two thoughts in your head at the same time. Separate an understanding of what went wrong and what's fair when being critical of the gameplan.

Maybe you two should try this. Focus on one memory first, for example be happy about our 11-6 season, then remember our injuries, the Watson debacle, our loss in Houston, and after that come back to me and tell me how that felt. Great huh?

And Hollywood was the 2nd best WR on that playoff team...with Jarvis as the #1 WR. Cover your eyes when you see what Jarvis' stats were after that playoff year.

Which is exactly what shock journalism looks like. Say controversial things that fly in the face of logic to get clicks on the internet.

When someone totally ignores context it's easy to see.

What I saw was a season that changed the culture of this franchise. Since 1999 every time this team looked like they were ready to compete and would have bad things happen the team would fold and not recover. This team overcame each and every injury and found a way to make the playoffs. They turned Cleveland Browns Stadium into a real home field advantage.

Teams that lose lead the league in turnovers don't normally make the playoffs. The Browns did. Teams that lose their top offensive weapon (Chubb), their QB (Watson), their top 3 tackles, and 3 safeties for the season usually don't make the playoffs. The Browns did. Why this team changed the culture of the franchise.

I enjoyed this season as frustrating as it was with all of the injuries more than any season since the return. This team beat both teams that won the home field in the AFC and NFC playoffs. It felt like the late 80's again by the lake. At least it did for me.

YEP, this season felt GREAT! A team coming together. Did the playoff loss suck, yes, still doesn’t change that we had a great season. I don’t focus on one, or a few, players, I focus on the whole team and wins. I focus on if I had FUN watching the games on TV and in person. We’ve spent almost a quarter of a century waiting to have a TEAM, darn right I had fun and found the season amazing! Injuries happen, we just had more than normal. To me, the jury is still out so I don’t view Watson as a “debacle” yet so that has no bearing on how I view the season. He was 4-1 when he played and we don’t beat the Ravens without him, I’ll wait to have any judgement until further evaluation.