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He extends plays because he can't read a defense well pre snap. This is why when it comes to drafting a qb I prefer one who played in a more pro style offense in college. Watson has never really played in that type of offense. Reading a defense is not his strength at all. Just another reason why he is not worth 230 mill

One thing about Baker…the guy was durable and available.

He can read a defense pre snap. Hell, I can do that from my couch.

He can’t read defenses post snap.

That’s why he holds the ball and that’s why Stefanski has to turn him into a RB.

That was the talk all last off-season...didn't happen. Why not? Here we are after another season without really knowing what DW is/can-be and we are talking - again - about changing the system to meet his skillset. I hope it finally happens soon.

I think he's a one-read QB because he wants to run the ball...and vice versa. JMO

I have to disagree with this comment. Watson was always known as a player who was good at reading defenses. He is more of a scrambler than a running QB, altough he is effective at running. In todays NFL, if your QB can run, he does. His release is not quick, because he is able to keep plays alive, and make plays out of structure.

Because of the suspension and injuries we really haven’t seen what DW can be here He has flashed signs of being a very good WB but it’s hard to sustain when you’re in and out of the lineup. It’s hard to achieve any continuity with that kind of situation. I still believe DW can be a good Quarterback for us. The new coaches we hire to work with him will be important.

While I don't know about this for sure as it relates to the long haul, what I did see of watson is that he begins to panic and run with the ball prematurely. Often he still had a relatively stable pocket and he just took off. Now before anyone takes me accusing watson of anything, I couldn't see what he was seeing downfield. I do know however that most of the great QB's allow as much time as possible for their WR's to come back towards them to give them a target to throw to before they resort to the run and that wasn't what I was seeing from my perspective.

Extending plays cam be good yes but not the majority of the time. It forces receivers to have to break off thier original route and fin where watson is. Also it makes it very hard for offensive linemen to block for him. It's chaos. You can't consistently win in the NFL with a chaotic offense

The hire is super important. Stefanski is running out of people to fire for consistently coming up short.

Stefanski will get an extension, so he wasn’t looking to throw anyone under a bus.

I think the quality control coaches better be looking over their shoulders next year.

Pretty sure that was a joke.

"The hire is super important. Stefanski is running out of people to fire for consistently coming up short."

I don't think this was meant to be a joke.

Nope. You're right. Thought you were responding to his previous post since you didn't quote it.

"I think the quality control coaches better be looking over their shoulders next year."

Yeah, he really screwed up firing Woods and hiring Schwartz. Sometimes I don't think you hear yourself.

Sometimes I say things to get a rise out of people who I enjoy triggering.

The first comment was half joke, half serious.

The second comment was a joke.

I like to use this board to entertain myself.

That helps explain a lot. Thanks for the clarification.

I agree. We have been running a 20th century based offense 2.5 decades in to the 21st century.

I think you fit things around the players on your roster. Until watson arrived this team didn't have the QB to run what you are describing. He was suspended for 11 games last year so they still didn't have a QB to build a 21st century offense around. This year things began to gel just before his injury. At that point in time they were starting to install that 21st century O you refer to. I believe they just decided to bring in a staff that was better suited to do that.

So, you like being a troll.
In my world, you and Throw Long get the same amount of respect. All serious.

Cheers: To Kareem Hunt for taking the high road.

Jeers: Stump Mitchell and his bizarre PR campaign with the local media after getting deep 6'd.

Hunt was listed on the Browns' injury report with a groin issue for much of the season. He played through the injury and finished with 10 rushing touchdowns, including one in Cleveland's wild-card loss to Houston.

Typically a ruptured adductor can sideline players for at least six to eight weeks and require immediate surgery. Philadelphia Eagles right tackle Lane Johnson fought through a similar injury last season en route to the Super Bowl.

"Well, I'll say this about Kareem. I'm so appreciative of him and the way he played and the style with which he played. Obviously, pre-injury to Nick [Chubb], we didn't have a spot, but to Kareem's credit, he stayed in great shape. We brought him in, worked him out. He looked great, picked back up the system right away and played really good football for us and made plays in high-leverage moments and scored touchdowns," Stefanski said. "He provided huge value for us and he's a battler. Love the way he runs. The style with which he runs gave us a huge jolt that we needed."


I've been very selective about the jerseys I've bought the last few years. Gonna have to add a Hunt to the collection. Can wear this one with pride.

Hunt seemed to have a VERY abrupt drop-off in performance the season prior to this one (which clearly (IMO) earned him his initial exit from the team). IIRC, he was brought back this year and pretty much instantly was a staple on the injured list despite playing (I think) every game in which he was on the roster.

So my question is, is his pending surgery going to bring him back to close to the level he was when he got here?

Muscle tears are generally respond well to surgical repair.

Also, from what I understand, the abductor is a group of about 6 or 7 muscles.

Based on Stump's comments, I have my doubts. We'll see, though.

I think he started to look different at the tail end of '22...although he may have been dealing with an injury at that time as well.

I’m cool with bringing him back, but... All he does is score touchdowns. Do we want a guy like that?

Personally I wouldn't bring Hunt back unless it was an emergency 3rd string back or something

He won’t get big money from us or anybody. How about we thank him for his contribution after Chubb was hurt and show him some -even if it’s just a little bit - gratitude toward the hometown dawg?

Hunt should have a backup role if he will sign cheap. He’s put it on the line for us several times. I think this surgery may make him serviceable as the 2nd back again. But ford showed some chops for the running game too. I couldn’t decide if it was more line play or him when he struggled. I’d be fine going into next year with Chubb, Ford, and Hunt. Strong is more a Special Teams guy. I don’t care if we see him carry a ton. And in short and goal, Hunt is a force to reckon with.