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Here we go again.....

It just happened not long ago so details are sketchy and should be taken with a grain of salt at this point in time....

Up to 10 victims injured in shooting near Chiefs parade, fire department says

Up to 10 victims were injured in a shooting at Union Station at the end of the Chiefs parade, according to Michael Hopkins with the Kansas City Fire Department.

“At the conclusion of the rally there were shots fired west of Union Station near the garage and several people were struck,” Capt. Jake Becchina, a spokesperson for the Kansas City Police Department, told the Kansas City Star.

The rally was being held following the Chiefs Super Bowl celebration parade.

5 victims are being treated at Kansas City's Truman Medical Center following rally shooting

The University Health Truman Medical Center in Kansas City, Missouri, received five people from Union Station, according to the medical center's managing communications director Keith King.

According to King, the medical center is treating two gunshot victims.

“A third gunshot victim is coming to University Health. We are treating two other people for non-gunshot related injuries,” he told CNN.

The Kansas City Fire Department said there are upwards of 10 victims after a shooting took place at a rally celebrating the Chiefs Super Bowl victory.

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I put this in the AI for Guns thread-I posted this about an hour ago-I still have the scanner on

Back to normal life in this country-about 10 minutes ago, there was several people shot at the KC victory parade near/at Union Station.
From the scanner traffic-they are still trying to get players on busses and out of the area.
don't know numbers yet.

Just had one walk in with a GSW/just had another one and a woman who needs to be looked at after getting grazed by bullet.


https://www.kmbc.com/article/shooti...chiefs-super-bowl-victory-rally/46790065

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One dead, nine injured-
One in custody

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They just had more traffic come over the scanner-
22 related to GSW (gun shot wounds)
8 are red, 7 are yellow, 6 are green and 2 DOA in the field

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trumps message to the NRA members.

“During my four years nothing happened,” Trump said. “And there was great pressure on me, having to do with guns. We did nothing. We didn’t yield.”

From Jan. 20, 2017, to Jan. 19, 2021 – Trump's time as president – the country saw 1,714 mass shootings in which four or more people were killed or wounded, with 1,679 deaths and 7,355 injuries.

It is not only trump. It is we the people and our elected officials. We have made it happen as a country.

I am disgusted by the US and what has become tolerated.

If I were a young man I would leave the US and move to Canada. When a country tolerates the slaughter of school children as a norm. It reflects the culture of the country and what becomes acceptable behavior.

These shootings are a daily occurrence and it is normalized. Shrugged off. "Oh well what are you going to do?"

It is not the guns. Guns are just hunks of metal. It is the people and the government that allows it to happen.

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KC fans tackled one of the shooters as he was fleeing...



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Since it happened on the same day I thought I would just post it here......

3 DC police officers shot while trying to serve arrest warrant, gunman still barricaded hours later

All three offiers suffered non-life-threatening gunshot wounds, police said.

Three police officers were shot in Washington, D.C., while trying to serve an arrest warrant at a home Wednesday morning, and the gunman is still barricaded inside the house hours later, according to D.C. police.

All three officers suffered non-life-threatening gunshot wounds and are in "good spirits" at local hospitals, Police Chief Pamela Smith told reporters. A fourth officer was also injured but was not shot, Smith said.

The incident unfolded around 7:30 a.m. when officers responded to a home to serve an arrest warrant for cruelty to animals, Smith said.

Officers tried to make contact with the individual inside the home, but they refused to go outside, the chief said. Officers then tried to go inside the home and the suspect then fired at them, Smith said.

The gunman remains barricaded Wednesday afternoon and negotiations with him are ongoing, Smith said.

The police chief described his behavior as "up and down."

"It appears as though, during conversation, he seems to communicate very effectively with us, but then there are times he appears to be very agitated," she said.

Smith said the standoff will last as "long as it takes in order to bring the suspect into custody."

The Humane Rescue Alliance said its field services director was at the scene when the shooting unfolded to serve the arrest warrant with the officers.

"Our thoughts are with our partners at MPD who are being treated in the hospital and we are wishing them all the best in their recovery. We could not fulfill our mission without them," the Humane Rescue Alliance said in a statement. "We are also concerned for the safety of the officers who remain on scene, the community members who continue to be affected, and the animals whom we were there to protect."

President Joe Biden is praying for the officers' recoveries, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters Wednesday.

"This shooting is yet another distressing and painful reminder of the toll gun violence is inflicting on families in our communities, and obviously on our nation," Jean-Pierre said. "The president has taken executive actions to help keep guns out of the dangerous hands, and [the Department of Justice] is implementing the new gun trafficking law in the bipartisan Safer Communities Act, but it's not enough. We need the Republicans in Congress to act -- we need them to be willing to make sure that communities are safer."

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This too, at least this illegal wasn't released without bail...


Migrant teen held without bail over concern he would try to flee after chaotic Times Square shooting that injured tourist


A 15-year-old migrant who allegedly shot a tourist while firing at a security guard and later aimed his gun at the NYPD in Times Square tried to flee the city with his mom – and was held without bail at his Saturday arraignment because he would likely flee again, prosecutors said.

Jesus Alejandro Rivas-Figueroa shot at the guard and struck the Brazilian tourist in the leg on Thursday night before shooting at cops who chased him as he fled to a subway station, cops said.

“He then returned to his home, and he and his mother immediately began to flee,” prosecutors said Saturday. “They packed up all their belongings and by 6 a.m. the next morning had vacated their home and fled out of the city.”

Prosecutors asked the judge to send the teen to jail without bail because “he has significant ties out of the United States” and has only been here “for a short time.” The teen also admitted his involvement to police, prosecutors said.

“Much of the incident is captured on extremely clear surveillance video, from which he was easily identified,” the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office added.

“Based on all of this, it’s clear that he is facing a significant sentence of incarceration on this serious case and can not be trusted to return to court,” prosecutors said.

The teen, who did not enter a plea, was charged as an adult, but will be sent to a juvenile facility because of his age, officials said.

Rivas-Figueroa was charged with two counts of attempted murder, assault, attempted assault, and two counts of criminal possession of a weapon, cops said.

He listened through a translator at his arraignment and didn’t say a word.

Police Benevolent Association President Patrick Hendry said the teen “believed that he could find and carry an illegal firearm.”

“He believed he could fire that firearm into a crowd on the street,” Hendry continued. “He believed that he could try to kill a New York City police officer. That’s what he tried to do. He tried to kill a New York City police officer.”

Rivas-Figueroa, who was ushered to court by two detectives, wore the same dark T-shirt and jeans he was photographed in during his arrest walking into court with a scowl on his face and his hands cuffed behind his back.

He shook his head no when asked if he spoke English, and refused to answer when a Post reporter called his name and asked, “Porque?” or “why?”

The US Marshals Joint Regional Fugitive Task Force and the NYPD collared the “armed and dangerous” Venezuelan teen in Yonkers on Friday.

A woman can be heard wailing in a video that shows him being taken into custody at around 3:30 p.m. Friday at what sources said was the home of a relative on Saratoga Avenue. The teen also wept.

The arrest came moments after NYPD Chief of Patrol John Chell, during a news conference, had identified Rivas-Figueroa as a person of interest in the shooting.

The teen arrived in September and had been staying at a temporary shelter at the Stratford Hotel on West 70th Street.

He is also a suspect in a Jan. 25 incident in Midtown in which shots were fired at a park on 45th Street, and a Jan. 27 gunpoint robbery in the Bronx, police said.

Police said Rivas-Figueroa and two other teens — all migrants who attended school together — were trying to shoplift from JD Sports, a sports-fashion retail store, on West 42nd Street and Seventh Avenue at around 7 p.m. Thursday when they were stopped by a security guard.


Here's the latest on the Times Square shooting
→ A tourist was shot in the leg at a retail store in Times Square on Thursday night by a shoplifter. The shoplifter then opened fire at an NYPD officer in Midtown, according to police.
→ NYPD has identified Jesus Lejenadro Rivas-Figueroa, 15, as a person of interest in connection to the Thursday night shooting, Chief of Patrol John Chell said.
→ The NYPD has offered a $10,000 reward for anyone with information leading to the suspect.
→ A security guard at JD Sports at West 42 Street and Broadway approached a group of young males to stop them from stealing when one pulled out a gun, fired it in her direction and missed, hitting the nearby tourist.
→ Sources said Friday that a 15-year-old and a third person were taken into custody and later released.
→ Jesus Alejandro Rivas-Figueroa, a 15-year-old Venezuelan teen migrant identified as the shooting suspect by NYPD Chief of Patrol John Chell, was taken into custody around 3:30 p.m. Friday at a home in Yonkers.
→ Rivas-Figueroa allegedly pulled out a “very large” .45-caliber handgun and fired at the guard and “into a crowd,” Chell said.



While the guard wasn’t hit, Brazilian tourist, 38-year-old Tatiele Riberio, who was in line waiting to buy sneakers and texting her husband, was struck in the leg and dragged herself to the back of the store as pandemonium ensued.

The gunman and another 15-year-old boy bolted, with Rivas-Figueroa allegedly opening fire on a cop as he ran away toward West 46th Street, Chell said.

Video footage allegedly shows Rivas-Figueroa, who was in an all-white outfit, and the other teen bolting from the store, Chell said.

Cops patrolling the area began chasing them, with one of the officers snatching the unidentified teen and the other continuing to run after the gunman.

“He turns once, he fires towards our officer,” Chell told reporters of Rivas-Figueroa. “Our officer takes his gun out and he cannot return fire, there are too many people in his way.

“Our suspect goes through the cut between the buildings. He’s running, he takes his gun out and under his armpit, he fires again at our officer,” Chell continued, as he demonstrated how the shooter reached behind his back with the gun.

https://nypost.com/2024/02/10/metro...es-square-shooting-that-injured-tourist/


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Depending on reports, 9 to 11 children are being treated-most for gunshots

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800 cops there today

Still there were 22 shot
8 critical/serious
1 dead
11 kids injured

So much for good guys with guns [censored]

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800 cops and he was taken down by bystanders or people in his field of view? Smfh. Yeah, we don’t need police reforms.

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There were over 1 million people there. You want to use the fact that some fans with balls tackled him first as a frame for police reform?

Dude, you are on a roll today. rofl


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There were over 1 million people there. You want to use the fact that some fans with balls tackled him first as a frame for police reform?

Dude, you are on a roll today. rofl

You have chosen a very good way to avoid the "a good guy with a gun" or "We need police in our schools" topic. It wasn't a guy with a gun who tackled him. It wasn't a cop who tackled him. Every lame BS thing conservatives keep trying to cram down people's throat had nothing to do with this guy being captured. Sometimes facts just aren't convenient enough for you to discuss.


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There were over 1 million people there. You want to use the fact that some fans with balls tackled him first as a frame for police reform?

Dude, you are on a roll today. rofl

You have chosen a very good way to avoid the "a good guy with a gun" or "We need police in our schools" topic. It wasn't a guy with a gun who tackled him. It wasn't a cop who tackled him. Every lame BS thing conservatives keep trying to cram down people's throat had nothing to do with this guy being captured. Sometimes facts just aren't convenient enough for you to discuss.


What. In. The. World. are you talking about???

I responded to this and I'm avoiding what??

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800 cops and he was taken down by bystanders or people in his field of view? Smfh. Yeah, we don’t need police reforms.


Please, please, PLEASE explain how citizens taking down a shooter points to the need for police reform.


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That won't work either. School kids didn't work. Even church shootings haven't worked. A high profile athlete won't work either.


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You'd have done better protecting everyone if you were in charge. By the way, what is your fix?


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Nick Wright was born and raised in KC, he was at the parade. His poignant reaction begins at 9:02.




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It makes me sick what we the people and our elected officials have allowed.

We have an ex president that started the violence on our own capitol and sat for hours as people were assaulted and killed.

He encouraged it and called those now in jail hostages.

We spend billions upon billions for defense and we are unable to secure the schools our children attend.

We have become enablers of violence because we will not hold anyone accountable nor will we force change to correct what we have become.

I am disgusted and furious.

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The KC shooting is Trump's fault?


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"It makes me sick what we the people and our elected officials have allowed."

trump is an example of leadership sponsored violence that glorifies violent behavior.

No single person is to blame because we all have allowed it to get to this point.

Who is to blame? The bullet? The gun? The person who sells it? The school for lack of security? The parent who got the gun?

Blame? Maybe we should all argue about blame while the next mass murder is cooking.

Then we can all hope it isn't us and it is someone else's funeral.

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Originally Posted by FATE
The KC shooting is Trump's fault?

Nope. He just happens to represent the side that believes in using thoughts and prayers while doing little to nothing else. That's not a policy and isn't working.


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Post WWII the government of the US has allowed this country to get to this point.

Guns have become the leading cause of death for children and teens in the US, with 4,590 gun deaths among people ages 1 to 19 in 2022.

Something should have been done way before this. 1966 University of Texas tower shooting and here we are still killing students in Texas.

Firearm Homicide rates among high income countries with populations over 10 million.

United States 4.52 per 100k.

Second place 1.46 per 100k.

What a distinction.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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The KC shooting is Trump's fault?

Nope. He just happens to represent the side that believes in using thoughts and prayers while doing little to nothing else. That's not a policy and isn't working.

Gun rights are expansive in Missouri, where Kansas City shooting at Chiefs' parade took place
BySUMMER BALLENTINE and DAVID A. LIEB AP logo
Friday, February 16, 2024 8:26AM




Man who tackled possible KC shooting suspect speaks out

One of the men who tackled a possible Kansas City shooting suspect is speaking out.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The shooting that wounded more than 20 people and killed one during the Kansas City Chiefs' Super Bowl victory parade occurred in a state with few gun regulations and historic tension over how major cities handle crime.

The shooting, which Kansas City police on Thursday said appeared to stem from a dispute between several people, happened despite the presence of more than 800 police officers on hand.

Notably, dozens of policymakers from Missouri and neighboring Kansas were caught in the chaos as throngs of fans scattered at the sound of gunshots. Lawmakers and elected officials who witnessed the havoc firsthand included Republican Missouri Gov. Mike Parson and Democratic Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly, whose security detail heard the shots after she'd gotten in her car to leave, a spokesperson said.

SEE MORE: Kansas City Chiefs parade shooting stemmed from dispute; victims as young as 8, police say

Democratic Missouri state Rep. Maggie Nurrenbern of Kansas City said she was inside the city's historic Union Station when the shooting began. She said she and her sister ran and used their bodies to hide and shield fleeing children.

"I'm hurt. I'm angry," Nurrenbern wrote in a post on the social media platform X, formerly Twitter. "And I'm more resolved than ever to make sure kids can grow up in a Missouri free from gun violence."

But what, if any, action Missouri's Republican-led Legislature will take in response to the shooting is unclear.

"Policing a free nation is difficult," GOP state Rep. Lane Roberts said Thursday. "So when we try to do things that augment the efforts of our police agencies without treading on the rights of other people, it can be a real difficult balance."

Here's a look at Missouri's gun policies and how elected officials want to address crime:

A PRO-GUN STATE
Missouri has some of the most expansive guns rights among states as a result of a series of measures passed by the Republican-led Legislature over the past few decades.


Before the GOP won full control of the Legislature in the 2002 elections, concealed weapons were outlawed and handguns could be purchased only after a background check and permit from local sheriffs. Republican lawmakers repealed those restrictions within their first decade of power, and gun shops saw rising sales.

Missouri currently has no age restrictions on gun use and possession, although federal law largely prohibits minors from carrying handguns.

Voters fortified gun rights in 2014, approving a constitutional amendment placed on the ballot by lawmakers making the right to bear arms "unalienable" and subjecting any restrictions "to strict scrutiny."

Two years later, the Republican supermajority in Missouri's Legislature overrode a veto of then-Gov. Jay Nixon, a Democrat, to allow most adults to carry concealed guns without needing a permit. The legislation also created a "stand-your-ground" right, expanding the legal use of guns in self-defense.

A 2021 Missouri law pressed gun rights even further, prohibiting local police from enforcing federal gun restrictions. The measure got struck down by a federal judge last year and remains on hold while under appeal.

WHAT ARE LAWMAKERS DOING?
Current Republican legislative leaders have expressed little interest in any laws that would restrict firearm use and possession in Missouri.

Rep. Roberts - a former police chief from southwestern Missouri who later joined the Legislature - last year proposed limiting children from openly carrying guns in public without parental supervision in an effort to combat rising crime in St. Louis. The bill failed by a 104-39 vote. Only one Republican voted in support of it.

Republican House Speaker Dean Plocher abruptly left a news conference Thursday after being asked by reporters for details on the GOP strategy for addressing crime and when questioned about last year's vote on children carrying firearms.

A rare exception to Republicans' fierce resistance to gun regulations is an effort to crack down on celebratory gunfire, which has been an issue in Kansas City.

Missouri's Legislature last year passed a bill to make shooting a firearm within city limits a misdemeanor for the first offense, with exceptions. The bill was named after 11-year-old Blair Shanahan Lane, who was dancing with a sparkler on July 4, 2011, outside her suburban Kansas City home and was struck in the neck by a stray bullet.

Blair's Law was part of a sweeping crime bill that was later vetoed by Parson for unrelated reasons. The Missouri House gave approval to similar legislation just two days before the Chiefs' parade.

Other Republican-backed bills advancing in the House would exempt guns and ammunition from sales tax and allow people with concealed gun permits to bring weapons onto public transportation. House Majority Leader Jonathan Patterson said earlier this week that "it's common sense to allow lawful concealed carrying permit holders to be able to protect themselves" on buses and trains.

A BROADER DEBATE
A large portion of the Kansas City metropolitan area is in Kansas, and a 43-year-old prominent DJ who was killed Wednesday lived on the Kansas side.

The most visible and active gun safety movement in Kansas is in the Kansas City area. But Kansas law favors gun rights as much as Missouri's does, and Kansas added an amendment to fortify gun rights in its constitution four years before Missouri did - with 88% of the vote.

Now, Republican state Attorney General Kris Kobach and a majority of the state's GOP lawmakers are pushing for another amendment to make those protections even stronger.

"Having armed citizens affords a greater degree of protection in any situation," Kobach told reporters Thursday. "We need good citizens to be armed, to help, because there just aren't enough law enforcement officers to protect everybody, everywhere and every time."

During a hearing last month before a House committee, critics predicted the change would prevent the state from prohibiting even convicted felons or domestic abusers from having guns.

"That's the really scary part of it," said Rep. Jo Ella Hoye, a Kansas City-area Democrat who was at the parade with her 11-year-old son. "We could lose any current gun laws we have."

GUNS AND CRIME IN KANSAS CITY
The number of killings in Kansas City rose to a record level last year, up to 182. Kansas City police data show there were 12 more killings in 2023 than in 2022 and three more than the previous all-time high of 179 in 2020. The police department data does not include officer-involved killings.

Kansas City elected officials are limited in what they can do.

Kansas City, with a population of about 508,000, about 28% Black, is the only Missouri city without local control of its police force. It's believed to be the largest city in the U.S. in that situation, the mayor's office has said.

Leaders in the largely Democratic city don't hire the police chief or determine how the department spends its tax dollars. A 1930s-era law gives that power to a five-member board largely appointed by the Missouri governor, who since 2017 has been a Republican.

Missouri law also prohibits cities from enacting more stringent regulations on guns than state law does, although Kansas City bans gunfire within the city.

In recent years, mayors of both Kansas City and St. Louis have fought for control of their cities' public safety policies with primarily Republican lawmakers who argue high crime rates in the cities mean local leaders are failing. GOP lawmakers have also repeatedly rebuffed requests to allow urban areas to adopt stricter gun policies compared to the rest of the state.

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Thanks Fate-I was listening to it last night on the treadmill and had to stop when he was talking about the woman he met after whose 14 year old grand daughter had to take the lead to get them to safety-because she had active shooter training in school.

That is where we are today in this country

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Originally Posted by hitt
You'd have done better protecting everyone if you were in charge. By the way, what is your fix?

With the laws that Missouri has on the books-for any event like this-preorder lots of thoughts and prayers-

It is simply the situation the lawmakers have handed to us to suck up to the lobbyists-so we have to deal with it.

I had the scanner on just after the shooting-i saw an aerial drone of the parade route. 750k to 1 million people.
It was a spread out route-they could not limit the crowd to a couple of points of entry with metal detectors.

In a situation like this in a major city with this many people-the police had 800 cops there, probably some undercover. They had command post set up, They pre staged some ambulances and had (2) trauma hospitals within a 5-10 minute code red drive-They also stated on the scanner that they had trouble getting to some of the walking wounded especially because they could not get through the crowd fleeing for several minutes.

The police most always on any event like this work on a contingency plan for something like this to go wrong-but that will only limit the damage.

And on a side note, I always look for what to do during any event with more than a couple hundred people in case something happens-even walking out of the stadium after a game.

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them guys who tackled the scumbag needs to be gifted authentic SB rings and season tickets.


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Nick Wright was born and raised in KC, he was at the parade. His poignant reaction begins at 9:02.



Thanks Fate-I was listening to it last night on the treadmill and had to stop when he was talking about the woman he met after whose 14 year old grand daughter had to take the lead to get them to safety-because she had active shooter training in school.

That is where we are today in this country

Yep. That will make your heart skip a beat.

I don't understand this great divide between "from my cold dead hands" and "take all guns and sink them into the sea".

How can we not see the difference between these extremes? How can we not see the need for distinguishing the difference between some of these weapons?

I came home a couple weekends back and there were some family and friends talking about "going shooting". My brother-in-law was shocked at the recent experience of shooting an AR. Basically of the mind of "hey, that was fun, but I can't think of any good reason why an average Joe should be allowed to own one without some extra training, background analysis, licensing, etc... ".

A (semi) argument ensued... the AR he shot was recently purchased by another family member who was present. As the usual argument of rights and privileges ensues, my point was "Doesn't a semi-driver need a CDL? Is that too much to ask? That we know you are capable and accountable, understand the added danger?"

Shockingly (to me) this rifle was purchased from a stranger, with no accounting besides "here's the cash". This makes absolutely NO sense to me.


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There are all kinds of arguments. My rights etc. This is not about presidents or partisan politics.

Get something done. There should be no school in this country that is not secure.

If people want to shoot assault weapons they should only be rented at a range. All the loop holes to buy guns should be closed.

To purchase any weapon you must be identified, licensed, and cleared from any type of traceable mental disorder.

It will never be perfect. But we must try. Begin somewhere. Make it a priority. There are things that can be done to limit this epidemic of killing.

No parent should have to take their kids to school with fear in their hearts.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
"It makes me sick what we the people and our elected officials have allowed."

trump is an example of leadership sponsored violence that glorifies violent behavior.

No single person is to blame because we all have allowed it to get to this point.

Who is to blame? The bullet? The gun? The person who sells it? The school for lack of security? The parent who got the gun?

Blame? Maybe we should all argue about blame while the next mass murder is cooking.

Then we can all hope it isn't us and it is someone else's funeral.


Funny you forgot the mention the real culprit. The person who pulls the trigger.


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Originally Posted by FATE
I don't understand this great divide between "from my cold dead hands" and "take all guns and sink them into the sea".

How can we not see the difference between these extremes? How can we not see the need for distinguishing the difference between some of these weapons?

I came home a couple weekends back and there were some family and friends talking about "going shooting". My brother-in-law was shocked at the recent experience of shooting an AR. Basically of the mind of "hey, that was fun, but I can't think of any good reason why an average Joe should be allowed to own one without some extra training, background analysis, licensing, etc... ".

A (semi) argument ensued... the AR he shot was recently purchased by another family member who was present. As the usual argument of rights and privileges ensues, my point was "Doesn't a semi-driver need a CDL? Is that too much to ask? That we know you are capable and accountable, understand the added danger?"

Shockingly (to me) this rifle was purchased from a stranger, with no accounting besides "here's the cash". This makes absolutely NO sense to me.

And that is the biggest part of the problem. Your brother in law sounds much like myself. I'm not for "taking people's guns". What you're referring to is what gun control advocates call "the gun show loophole". It allows anyone who is a private individual to sell or buy any firearm from any other private individual with no background check. Cash and carry. Nothing to restrict a convicted felon or even convicted murderer from purchasing a firearm including an assault rifle. It happens at gun shows all the time. People just walking around carrying a firearm they have for sale.

The scenarios you mentioned ""from my cold dead hands" and "take all guns and sink them into the sea" isn't the reality of the view among most Americans. Sensible gun control laws that close such loopholes and passing gun control laws that make magazine capacities smaller are some of the most popular ideas. The problem is the message gun advocates have been fed for decades now. Democrats are going to take your guns!

And I would say if you left it up to the most extreme of extreme Democrats that may be true. But that's not the reality. I've heard this same trope since Clinton ran for president. Yet through several Democratic administrations nobody has tried to take their guns. As per usual the people who are the loudest in the room get the most attention. In most cases neither extreme represents the majority.


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There will always be a person to pull a trigger.

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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Funny you forgot the mention the real culprit. The person who pulls the trigger.

Nobody has forgotten about the person who pulls the trigger. The question is how do you keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and people who are going to pull the trigger?

That same old tired BS you're using has been used forever yet they still aren't willing to do anything to address the question I asked.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by bonefish
"It makes me sick what we the people and our elected officials have allowed."

trump is an example of leadership sponsored violence that glorifies violent behavior.

No single person is to blame because we all have allowed it to get to this point.

Who is to blame? The bullet? The gun? The person who sells it? The school for lack of security? The parent who got the gun?

Blame? Maybe we should all argue about blame while the next mass murder is cooking.

Then we can all hope it isn't us and it is someone else's funeral.


Funny you forgot the mention the real culprit. The person who pulls the trigger.

Funny how you’re forgetting that our gun culture society keeps putting that trigger directly into their hands.


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This is nationally syndicated cartoonist Dave Granlund the day after the parade. #humangarbage


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So human garbage is posting satire on yet another senseless shooting in a gun fanatic society? Oh yea he forgot thoughts and prayers, nevermind.


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Notice how he never calls the people who refuse to do anything to actually help stop these senseless shootings human garbage. Just someone who publishes a cartoon about how the scene actually looked by the time it was over. I think he just doesn't like to see anyone shine a light on the reality of it. Because as I said, by the time it was over that was the reality of it.


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2 men are charged with murder in the deadly shooting at Kansas City’s Super Bowl celebration

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Two men charged with murder in last week’s shooting after the Kansas City Chiefs’ Super Bowl parade were strangers who pulled out guns and began firing within seconds of starting an argument, according to court documents released Tuesday.

Missouri prosecutors said at a news conference that Lyndell Mays, of Raytown, Missouri, and Dominic Miller, of Kansas City, Missouri, have been charged with second-degree murder and several weapons counts in the shooting that left one person dead and roughly two dozen others injured.

Both men were shot during the melee, according to probable cause affidavits. Both have been hospitalized since, Jackson County prosecutor Jean Peters Baker said during a news conference.

The argument began when two groups of people grew agitated over the belief that people in the other group were staring at them, according to affidavits from police. Surveillance video shows Mays and someone with him aggressively approached the other group, police say.

The video showed Mays was the first to begin shooting despite being surrounded by crowds of people, including children, according to one of the affidavits.

Mays told detectives “he hesitated shooting because he knew there were kids there,” according to the affidavit. He told investigators he began firing after someone in the other group said, “I’m going to get you,” which he took to mean they would try to kill him. He said he chose a random person from the other group to shoot at as that person was running away, the affidavit says.

Miller initially told investigators that he and his friends began running after hearing gunfire and that he was shot in the back, one affidavit says. When investigators told Miller they had video of him chasing someone in Mays’ group and shooting, Miller admitted to firing four to five shots, the affidavit said.

A bullet from Miller’s gun killed Lisa Lopez-Galvan, officials said Tuesday. Lopez-Galvan was in a nearby crowd of people watching the Chiefs rally, according to one of the affidavits.

Online court records did not list attorneys who could comment on the men’s behalf. The Missouri State Public Defender’s Office said applications for public defenders for the men had not yet been received by the Kansas City office.

Messages left with a possible relative of Miller were not immediately returned. The Associated Press could not find phone numbers for members of Mays’ family.

Authorities did not release ages for either man, but court records show Mays is in his early 20s and Miller is 18 or 19.

Authorities also detained two juveniles last week on gun-related and resisting arrest charges. They said Tuesday that more charges were still possible.

“I do want you to understand: We seek to hold every shooter accountable for their actions on that day. Every single one,” Peters Baker said. “So while we’re not there yet on every single individual, we’re going to get there.”

The shooting on Feb. 14 outside the city’s historic Union Station was a tragic end to the happy occasion that brought an estimated 1 million people to the city. It happened even as 800 police officers patrolled the celebration. The people injured range in age from 8 to 47, according to police.

The woman who was killed, Lopez-Galvan, was mother of two and the host of a local radio program called “Taste of Tejano.”

“It is reassuring for our family and the entire community to know that this joint team effort has resulted in the identification of the suspects involved,” her family said in a statement after Tuesday’s announcement.

The shooting was the latest at a sports celebration in the U.S. A shooting wounded several people last year in Denver after the Nuggets’ NBA championship.

That led Kansas City Mayor Quinton Lucas to wonder whether it’s time to rethink championship celebrations, even as he promised last week that the city will continue to celebrate its victories. Next month’s St. Patrick’s Day parade will go on as scheduled, Lucas said.

The Kansas City shooting occurred in a state with few gun regulations and a city that has struggled with gun violence. In 2020, Kansas City was among nine cities chosen by the U.S. Justice Department in an effort to crack down on violent crime. In 2023, the city matched its record with 182 homicides, most of which involved guns.

On Monday, Missouri’s Republican-led House passed a ban on celebratory gunfire in cities following debate that ranged from tearful to angry. It now goes to the Missouri Senate for consideration.

GOP Gov. Mike Parson vetoed a sweeping crime-related bill last year that included a similar measure, citing issues with other provisions.

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