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I grew up taking the Rapid Transit red line from the Puritas station to go downtown with my dad when I was little to watch Indians, Browns and Cavs games. I also took it to go downtown to high school before we moved out to Westlake and I got a driver's license and a car.

There was nothing at the Puritas station. It let out basically in a neighborhood at the end of Valley View avenue. The other side of the station may have had a bunch of manufacturing and warehouse shops. My mom and I used to wait there together in the car for my dad to get off from his business in the Terminal Tower.

If the stadium moves to Brookpark, that is one stop in the other direction, between Puritas and the airport. I imagine both areas could build up quite immensely.

from the article it appears the weight of a dome being built on a former landfill may also be a big part of the problem.

I would have to see how the entire statement was worded.

Is it? Is it going to be fun??

It’s only fun if we win

Fun might not be the right word. It can be exciting even if we don't win.

Colour me skeptical - and full of a feeling that this is marketing BS and either hype or off season manufactured noise to fill the void.

Watson was going to be a perfect fit for Stefanski's offense initially. Stefanski created all this separation for the receivers and our QB couldn't find them - DW was a top 5 QB and he was going to dominate. That was the media story when we signed him ...

Then he didn't.

Joe Flacco, to my knowledge, wasn't signed because he knew the offense, or knew new schemes to bring 'excitement'. But without knowing the scheme in depth or the playbook in depth, Joe stepped in and performed admirably well - because he executed at a competant level. Period. So unless DW performs at the peak of the ability he has shown as a Brown in maybe 2 games thus far, it matters not what the scheme is or how well DW knows it. Because if he plays like the other 90% of the time he's been in CLE in will be bad or average ... then chances are we will need the defense to dominate and have 3 game stretches holding the opposition to 2 points a game to have a winning record.

Everyone is hoping DW 'is back' based on a couple of great performances amid mostly below average games. Let's see what happens.If he's executing, then we can talk about the offensive scheme and if it's maximises DW's and the whole offenses potential.

Just win football games.

I feel like every Browns offense was "supposed to be fun" according to off-season reporting.

I did find the part about Stefanski potentially letting Dorsey call plays interesting. It makes sense.

j/c:

Browns sign 5th quarterback at conclusion of rookie minicamp

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...ck-at-conclusion-of-rookie-minicamp.html

Yeah, it's officially hype season. We hear the same thing every year. At least last year fans had a reason to be excited for a while. Hopefully they can build on that.

He didn’t last long

I am assuming Chris Polian's Father is Bill Polian.

On the NFL Network on Sirius radio, Bill constantly ragged on Cleveland's front office for being analytical-driven.

I don't think Bill is a reporter/analyst any longer, but if he is, I wonder if he still throws shade on Cleveland!

I don't know. Bill was old school. Nothing wrong with that, but he probably buys in to some degree at this point.

It doesn't really matter what he thinks. We hired Chris, who has a working relationship with Berry. I think Chris, being younger feels that analytics has a place in the evaluation process. If not, I doubt we would hire him.

Think about it, Berry embraces analytics. I doubt he would go out to hire a thorn in the side who disagreed with every move. I doubt he would hire Mac to the front office.


Sorry Mac, not picking on you here, just a comparison because you have on multiple occasions talked about being against analytics.

I don't know if he constantly ragged on the FO, but he is known for trying to call out the Browns' FO at the time for taking on the Brock Osweiler contract for one year to get Houston's second rounder that led to Nick Chubb. It was a brilliant move to get that draft capital just to have a contract on the books for one season. Bill looked absolutely stupid at the time and nothing has changed since his comments.

Referencing a recent question I asked concerning how the Browns front office wasted their 2022, 4th round pick on Perrion Winfrey...I simply asked how the Browns front office could miss so badly on their assessment of Winfrey. Some just passed if off as oh, well, it's just something that happens...

Looking at the priorities the Browns front office emphasizes when judging draft talent...it might be that those in charge of making such draft decisions put too much emphasize on "numbers", such as Winfrey's 4.89 - 40 times and not putting enough emphasis Winfrey's IQ.

Judging football talent should focus on the entire individual...on and off the football field.

I do wonder how many of the Browns draft misses can be traced back to a front office that over-emphasis their analytic numbers.

What about that LB we drafted some time ago, I believe his name was Pharms, that had been in some trouble and it wasn’t discovered until after we drafted him. We cut him immediately. The thing was we had someone on our payroll that was supposed to research the players backgrounds that was or had been in law enforcement and we still drafted him. Big mistake.

Agree. After listening to him on the radio, I wonder how he did so well with the Colts.

Peen, I like the hire. I agree Berry would not hire Chirs if he did not support analytics.

I bet Chris and his Dad have fun discussions!! LOL!

One thing about great leaders is they are willing to listen to and consider all aspects of a situation. They don't surround themselves with nothing but yes men. Analytics is a wonderful tool. But it's not the only tool in the toolbox. I'm sure that he probably doesn't object to analytics but I'm also not so sure he doesn't think that there's more to it than that. Balance is something that as a whole people tend to reject more and more these days. I'm hoping the FO doesn't fall into that category.

It seems we have some picking folks what need to have a Kool-Aid bypass operation. We have bought some hype over production individuals that failed to pan out. Step away from the Kool-Aid and do due diligence better. The fails must be able to be backtracked to someone easily and addressed. Somebody didn't know their job, didn't do it well enough, or should be replaced. Everybody makes mistakes, misses some, but we seem to be repeating them more often than learning from them. I would say more in draft evals. JMO.

Did Berry ever overlap with Dorsey? If so, he would've had a front-row seat of anti-analytics.

Of all our #1 picks since "99 you can make an argument that only 4 lived up to their 1st round status. Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Myles and Denzel Ward. That's pathetic and in 3 0f those years we had multiple 1st round picks. David Njoku is just now coming into his own so an argument can be made for him.

Baker Mayfield is starting to prove he was worth a 1st.

Good news is, we haven’t missed on any first-rounder over the past three drafts!

and with four short sentence's you just explained Clevelands Philosophy.

Yes, they did. Then Berry left for Philly and then came back after Dorsey was fired. I'm sure Berry saw his fair share of anti-analytics as well as a myriad of other stupid things while he was here with Dorsey.

I liked Dorsey except for his ego not allowing him to coexist without all the decision-power. Let me be clear, I'm more than happy with Berry and I don't think we would have even the level of success we're having now if Dorsey were still here as the cohesiveness of our FO is something we were missing for a VERY long time and I think is a big part of building and sustaining a strong org. IMO, that probably wasn't going to happen with Dorsey in the building. It's a bummer, because Dorsey could pick 'em (both draft and FA).

IMO, his drafts have held up with a little hindsight. Looking back after a couple years, his only big whiff was Greedy (was with Philly in 2023 and is currently a FA). He was credited with whiffing on Baker and Corbett, but those two aren't looking so bad right now (though Corbett may have come down with a bad case of the injury bug). He also got Taki. His performance for us on the FA market was exceptional.


Dorsey had to go, but I don't think he's deserving of the same level of derision as many of our other past regimes.

That's certainly what I had hoped for and felt was the case.