DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Trump Picks JD Vance for VP as His Running Mate

“I think there is a political solution to those problems,” Vance said. “So litigating which slate of electors was legitimate I think is fundamentally the political solution to the problems that existed in 2020.”

“If I had been vice president, I would’ve told the states like Pennsylvania, Georgia and so many others that we needed to have multiple slates of electors, and I think the U.S. Congress should’ve fought over it from there,” Vance said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ioned-2020-election-results/74294067007/

Supporting to legitimize fake electors and not certify the 2020 election. No wonder trump loves him.

Bro literally kissed trumps ass for an endorsement, with trump making fun of him for it.

Republicans and their habitual need to boot lick needs to be studied.

Vance will do a great job as VP. He should wipe the floor with word salad Kackela at the debate.

The debate will be (if they let it happen) the last nail in the coffin. People will be watching with the stark reality that one of these two in the oval office is more likely than any time in our history. Or at least the perception that it may be true. I mean, Trump just walked away from a bullet and Joe will need to be spoon-fed soft foods within two years.

Her whole opening lob will be that Vance called Trump Hitler, while all level-headed Americans have been tired of hearing Trump and Hitler in the same sentence for eight years. The only other thing in her arsenal is victimhood, which she's actually pretty good at, but it's transparent. "Excuse me, I'm speaking right now", while she holds a finger in the air and a glare, in an attempt to cement her victimhood with a Freudian pause.

Vance will dismantle her with a straight face and a smile. He won't let her be a victim and he'll demonstrate what youthful intellect and wisdom looks like. Love him or hate him, you're hard-pressed to dispute those traits.

As I said earlier, she'll want to leave, jump in a taxi, and tell them to drive til they run out of gas... by halftime.

The debate? Lmao. He’s a fraud and nothing but Trump’s special lapdog now. Do you expect this to end well? Lmao. Dream on.

Yes, the one that hated trump before he loved him. The one who would not have certified the election. The one who has extreme views on abortion. That's exactly the kind of guy they love.

MAGA doesn’t want Kamala as POTUS because she would absolutely prosecute ALL of the J6 traitors in congress thereby enforcing the law and having them removed from public service forever. Poof and MAGA is gone.

Donald Trump revealed yesterday that Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio will be his running mate. The news elicited a mixed reaction across the ideological spectrum, with many pointing to Vance's fiery commentary on abortion, immigration and other hot-button issues as evidence that the GOP is eschewing any attempt to reach beyond America’s increasing partisan polarization.

The New York Times’ editorial board discussed Vance as “extreme” and “combative and polarizing.” Mother Jones, a liberal outlet, wrote that Vance’s recent record showed that he ramped “up the divisive, MAGA-aligned rhetoric” to “curry Trump’s favor.”

That may be so, but the reporting on the Vance selection has largely failed to account for the heterodox nature of Vance’s actual Senate record. Since his election in 2022, the junior senator from Ohio has blazed an unorthodox path as a Republican on fundamental economic and foreign policy issues.

Far from a partisan warrior, Vance has praised the most populist economic figures in the Biden administration, including Lina Khan, the Federal Trade Commission chair who has led a push against Silicon Valley monopolies and private equity abuses. Vance has also said that Jared Bernstein, the head of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, known as an outspoken proponent of labor unions and middle class policies, is “one of the best people we could have gotten.” He has spoken highly of the Biden administration’s efforts to bring back semiconductor manufacturing, though he is sharply critical of the set-asides for diversity in the program.

Vance works well with a diverse set of lawmakers on Capitol Hill. He frequently cosponsors corporate accountability legislation with Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. “We actually want to make change,” Warren told Politico, remarking on her work with Vance to prevent executives from bailed-out banks from reaping huge bonuses.

His record shows a relatively high degree of cooperation with Senate Democrats, particularly on populist issues for enhancing oversight over corporations:

– Vance cosponsored legislation with Sen. Raphael Warnock, Warren, and Sanders to cap out-of-pocket expenses for insulin at $35 or 25% of a plan's negotiated price for Americans insured with private health insurance.

– Vance and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse introduced legislation that reshapes decades of corporate tax law, forcing corporate mergers of firms beyond $500 million in revenue to immediately pay capital gains taxes on shares earned through such deals.

– Vance cosponsored legislation with Sen. Dick Durbin to require price transparency and Medicare coverage status on certain pharmaceutical advertisements.

– Vance has worked with Sen. Sherrod Brown on legislation to tighten inspection requirements and hike penalties for rail cars carrying chemicals in response to the Norfolk Southern derailment disaster in East Palestine, Ohio last year.

-- Vance cosponsored Sen. Tim Kaine's legislation to repeal the authorization of the use of military force in Iraq.

— Vance and Sen. Tammy Baldwin sponsored legislation to prevent the licensing of government-funded advanced technology to foreign corporations. The bill was sponsored in light of revelations that specialized battery technology developed had been licensed to a Chinese firm.

In many ways, he is the most pro-worker, anti-war running mate of any Republican of the modern era. Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Dick Cheney and Jack Kemp were pro-corporate fundamentalists who favored privatization schemes and unfettered free trade. They sought an expanded role for America’s military in conflicts around the world, especially across the Middle East.

In contrast, Vance was one of the first modern Republicans to walk the picket lines in support of the United Autoworker Union strike for higher wages and benefits last year. He has repeatedly savaged the neoconservatism establishment, claiming that they have entrenched America in unwinnable “forever wars” that serve no strategic interest for the country.

Vance’s calls for peace negotiations with Ukraine place Vance far from the center of the D.C. establishment and closer to the fringes of both parties. Over the last two years, it has only been the House Progressive Caucus and House Freedom Caucus, along with a few mavericks in the Senate, such as Vance, who have openly demanded talks with Russia to end the war.

Speaking to American Compass last year, Vance explained his belief that market forces have failed the American family and that policymakers should consider tax penalties for corporations that ship jobs overseas and subsidies for businesses that restore the nation’s manufacturing base.

During the discussion, Vance scorned the market-based incentives that drive the nation's best neuroscientists to seek lucrative jobs making "highly addictive predictive algorithms for Facebook" rather than helping to produce a cure for Alzheimer's, and the best mathematicians to work for quantitative hedge funds rather than developing next-generation fission energy.

"The traditional free market response to this is, 'well, clearly this is what people value more if they're willing to pay three times as much," noted Vance. Instead, he said he favors more economic intervention, an "industrial policy” that recognizes “where we need to direct our country's resources to solving real problems."

Some Vance critics argue that his worker and consumer-friendly Senate record is mere posturing. He embraced these positions, they say, only to prepare himself for a role in national politics, and he does not actually have a desire to help the American labor force or cut back on corporate excesses.

However, some of his antimonopolist overtures have been beyond the limelight and carefully crafted to impact power. Earlier this year, he filed an amicus brief into an Ohio case to classify Google as a common carrier utility. This designation would open the company up to much more stringent regulations and penalties over free speech concerns.

Other critics of the Ohio senator also say he is an opportunist because he was once a Trump opponent before evolving into a staunch ally of the former president.

But those close to the senator say that his upbringing in rural poverty and his experience after joining the U.S. Marines after high school profoundly shaped his views as a policymaker.

“I served my country honorably, and I saw when I went to Iraq that I had been lied to — that the promises of the foreign policy establishment were a complete joke,” Vance has said about his time serving during the war.

In a talk for the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft just two months ago, Vance laid out his intertwined worldview on foreign policy and the economy.

In the Senate, he said he has heard the same tired slogans justifying the escalation of the Ukraine war, positioning it as a conflict about democracy versus tyranny, the same arguments that were made for the Middle East wars of the War on Terror era.

The arguments, he said, fail to justify how the conflict serves American interests. The notions about spreading democracy and freedom in Iraq failed to account for the widespread ethnic cleansing of Christians in the region and the strengthening of Iran, dynamics that occurred as a result of the U.S. invasion. Thousands died only for a war that only weakened America’s strategic interests in the region.

"I do not think it is in America's interest to continue to fund an effectively never-ending war in Ukraine,” said Vance. During the speech, he also argued that the old thinking of the party came from its leadership, calling out Sen. Mitch McConnell, who he said has been wrong about “nearly every foreign position he's held" since his election in 1984, the year of Vance's birth.

https://www.leefang.com/p/jd-vances-populist-anti-corporate

Independent journalism at its finest. Did I need purple for that?

Pit is a truth denier.

Why do you constantly dispute facts by doing an end-around to make fun of the source of an article?

Here. You pick ANY senator and point out their bipartisan efforts and then we'll compare Vances. Keep in mind that he took office in 2023, I'll let you go with a ten year track record. Deal?

You obviously wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the ass.

This is what happens when people are easily led by things that have no meaning. It's easy to say "Look at his senate record" when he has very little senate record. He hasn't had the time to establish a senate record which makes it easy to use as a faux example. What people need to do is look at what he does and does not support. He opposes funding to Ukraine. Yet another Putin puppet. Other things have already been posted on the board. What your "source" says about him and Ukraine are patently false.

JD Vance opposes military aid, NATO membership for Ukraine. He's now Trump's VP pick

"I gotta be honest with you, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other," Vance said just days before Russia launched its full-scale invasion.

Vance has said that it would be "completely irresponsible" for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

"Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you're gonna have a peace deal, because that's the only way out of the conflict," Vance said in February.

Vance went on to write an op-ed in April arguing that the "math doesn't add up" in terms of U.S. support for Ukraine. He also repeated popular talking points about how the Ukrainian military is forcibly recruiting civilians.

https://kyivindependent.com/jd-vanc...ship-for-ukraine-hes-now-trumps-vp-pick/

And that has WHAT to do with his bipartisan work??

C'mon bro, bipartisan has been your magic word since the 10 millionth illegal crossed. Now it doesn't matter so much that you just move the goalposts?

Coming from someone talking about a mans record in the senate who hasn't been in the senate long enough to build a record? I suppose in your world his political statements and what he stands for means nothing. But I'm not surprised by that.

Vance supports.....

Banning abortion

Called social security and medicare "the biggest roadblocks to fiscal sanity".

Said women should stay in violent marriages.

Admitted he wouldn't have certified the 2020 election if he had been vice president.

The list goes on but I'll leave it there for now. Can you explain how any of that is bipartisan? But let me guess, posting that must somehow be my fault, right?

What was Kamala's record in the senate?

What did Kamala say about Biden prior to being picked to be vice cackler? Thanks in advance.

She was running against Biden. Vance wasn't running against trump. Apples to oranges. You're welcome.

Is it? Honest question because with the abortion and weed bills that just passed, should the GOP be as confident about Ohio as you say they are?

So, she had no chance, but she was black AND Indian...........and biden thought she would help him get votes. Thanks. You don't have a clue what you don't have a clue about.


You type to see your words. to occupy your time, and to cause problems.

To some degree I would give some credence to the abortion topic. But then a lot of solid red states have voted very similarly while still supporting republican candidates so I'm not really sure that means anything.

As far as weed goes I went to a small school in a very red district. A a majority of republicans accept for the old support weed being legal. And now that those who were raised in the 60's and 70's are getting old I'm not even sure how much that still applies.................

Majority of Republicans ages 18 to 29 favor making marijuana legal for medical and recreational use, compared with 52% among those ages 30 to 49 and much smaller shares of older Republicans.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...-marijuana-for-medical-recreational-use/

That's pretty rich coming from someone who only comes here for the sole purpose of taking personal jabs and never actually enters into the discussions. lol

If you don't understand how people from the same party take jabs at each other during a campaign, I can't help you. And how it's different when someone who isn't running against them for office usually approach this, you haven't been paying attention. But some people simply can't understand the difference. That's a you problem.

Maybe you should go back and take a look. I wasn't claiming Kamala was bipartisan.

Maybe you could do your wife, and this board, a favor by going on vacation. Please. But, as it is, this is your life. Sadly. I feel for you dude. Must suck to have no life.

You have a much higher opinion of Vance than I do. I think a debate between the two would be much more like the chaos we saw last election between Trump and Biden (when Biden could finish a thought). Nobody wants to hear Kamala debate, but the problem with Vance is he was picked because he chose to be a lapdog. He's proven that there is nothing he won't flip on in order to cozy up to Trump. In a debate, he'd have to just do what Trump does, lie and make stuff up. Unfortunately, I doubt Kamala would be able to handle that.

He's proven there's nothing he won't flip to cozy up to Trump?

Show me all the things he "flipped". And don't be low info enough to say "he used to hate Trump". He said he was wrong and Trump was a great president.

Anything else?

And I don't think he'd need to make anything up to show what a useless do-nothing Kamala has been. Sounds more like your fantasy than anything resembling fact.

Yes, one can only have a life in the middle of the day. The things you invent in your own mind are astounding. I've heard you say i should take a break and go for a walk before. You do understand that it's hot as hell down here in the middle of the day, right? Anyone with a brain would do that very early in the morning. Don't believe me? Just ask Peen.

You seem to think that filling the middle of my day means I have no early mornings, late afternoon and evenings to have a life. So are you telling me since you're not retired and fill your days with work, you don't have a life because you are at work? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Actually I don't believe you do.

Is this how desperate you have become to mount a personal attack? Speaking of feeling sorry for someone. You personal vendetta and anger issues make me feel sorry for you.

My life is fine. After reading your posts today, it seems you should be a little more worried about you own. But that's how it sounds when someone becomes more possessed by what others are doing instead of using their own mirror at home.

this is why everyone keeps blocking him.

That's how republicans handle controlling the information they listen to that might be helpful to them. Either don't watch, don't listen to it or block information. Well done comrade!

See that?

Pit, in his infinite wisdom, is just trying to provide us with something that might be useful to us.

Always watching out for us! Pit is the leader of Dawglandia, his enlightenment is doubleplus good!

Don't be shocked but I even learn things from some of the things you post sometimes. You can be my vice president!

Well, roy, I didn't get disability, like you. I am not retired, as you claim you are. And yes, I work. And in the middle of 90 + degrees, I work outside, AND put all the gear on to go umpire softball games.

But if you block him, you miss out on 75% of the posts.

So after cutting out all the rhetoric, you don't pursue your hobbies and life outside of work while you're at work during the day. Yet you claim me being on here during the day means I don't have a ife and you do? Please explain how that makes any sense? I worked outside in the heat as well. It sucks in the extreme heat and extreme cold.

Yet for some strange reason it's a feat you can't seem to accomplish. I wouldn't mind if you did. It might be best for your mental health.

Nah, dude. I'm laughing at you, as do most people on this board.

I understand you not wanting to argue his flip on Trump. He said those things back when Trump didn't yet have a stranglehold on the party. Now he does and in order to gain rank in MAGA he has to bend the knee.

He very abruptly flipped his stance on abortion to be in-line with Trump.

As for your last point... no he does not. If I were in his shoes it would be my primary goal to spend as much time talking about Kamala and how little she brings to the table vs the how the GOP seems fine with attacks on our elections.

I'll be honest, I still kinda chuckle when a thread is like a full page of FATE engaged in an epic battle with "You are ignoring this user".

I think Ohio is certainly locked in red. Weed and abortion got handled by the voters, so as far as the state itself goes, no real reason to consider that in the general election. IMO of course.

Every unfriendly reporter that interviewed Vance caught him in lies and deceit. Harris is capable of catching him in lies.

Kamala is gonna wreck this dude in the debate. Abortion, his stance on divorce, every flip flop he’s ever had on Trump.

That's what trump loves about people like yourself. You're so easily led astray. You came in here yesterday and every single post you made was directed to me or a response to someone else about me. Nothing about a single topic itself. Somehow in your twisted mind you think people don't see that. And after all of that you try to make it sound like it's me who has the problem here. Seek help arch.