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The date of this year's trade deadline is August 1. With the Guardians being in 1st we are in the Buyer category. Here is my assesment of what we need:
Starting pitching. Our starting staff has one of the highest ERA's in MLB. Tanner Bibee is coming along, Ben Lively has overproduced, and Gavin Williams should be back soon. Logan Allen, Carlos Carasco, and Triston McKenzie have been underwhelming. This needs to bolstered if we are serious about making a World Series run. I think this should be our top priority.
My number one target would be Tyler Anderson LA Angels. The Angels are clearly sellers and Anderson is under contract this year and next year for $13 million/yr. We would pay roughly half this year's salary and have him for 1.5 years at a pretty good salary so he would fit from that standpoint. Additionally his ERA this year is 2.74.
We could use some added pop to the lineup. Positions that we can easily upgrade include CF, SS, C, RF
CF - Freeman has been playing defense really well but his bat hasn't been producing.
SS - Rocchio has been solid defensively but doesn't hit. Though it seems like the organization really likes him. I would consider giving Schneemann an opportunity to take over the starting role (though it seems they love him as a utility guy), or bring up one of the AAA middle infielders (Tena, Martinez, Brito) and see if they can take the job before trading for a new SS
C - I don't think that we will do anything here. I think they are happy with Austin, Naylor, Frye. I would send Naylor down to the minor and give him a chance to catch his breath, get his swing grooved then bring him back up and hope he will add some pop to the position.
RF - This would be the easiest place to obtain some new talent. But Brennon looks like he may have turned a corner. I would wait and see how his progession comes along.
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SS? I'd love to see the Tribe take Javier Baez and his bloated contract off of my team (Tigers) hands. Just kidding, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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The guy I want the most is: SP Jesus Luzardo, Miami Marlins
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I like Luzardo but he will cost a lot in trade capital. I think other teams will outbid us.
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Luzardo was just put on the 60 day IL, Sunday. So that takes him off the block.
Now its Crochett, or Anderson from LAA
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The Mets, who’ve been hotter than that time Debbie went to Dallas, probably won’t be trading Pete Alfonso.
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Yeah, I agree. The Mets have been hot as heck ... they'll be buyers
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For once Cleveland needs to go all in.
Make a bold move to win now. This is a good team that with the right moves could go deep in the playoffs.
There are deals to be made that could really help this good team.
Please do something.
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I would love to see the Guards make these two deals:
Bo Bichette SS, 26 yrs old with the Jays.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bichebo01.shtml
Young proven hitter who would change the lineup.
Garret Crochet with the White Sox. LHP 25 yrs old. He is under team control for two years at $800k.
3.08 ERA.
He screams Guradians. Young pitcher cheap contract. Pitching really well.
Get these two guys and the Guardians will have a real shot at the World Series.
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Crochet would cost a ton. I don't know if the Guardians would want to give up 3-4 of their upper lev3el minor leaguers.
I agree that he would be an outstanding get ...... but the cost would be huge.
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He is under team control for two years at $800k.
He is young. He would help now.
That is the point. There are times that you "should" make a move for now.
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Too bad Jimmy Haslam doesn't own the team.
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I'm all for making a move, however both sides of the trade:
Chi: Would you want to help the Guards have a stronger staff for the next couple years? Guards: would you really want to give your top prospects to an in-division team to make them stronger for the future?
It's going to cost a lot more to trade with your division rivals (Chicago and Detroit)
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Inter division trades are less common for many reasons but they do happen.
It is a question of the available market which this year is small.
IMO the Guardians have to look at the teams that are most likely going to be in the playoffs. How would they matchup?
This looks like one of those times you have to strike while you have a good shot. The Guardians could end the season as the number one seed.
They have to be honest though. Can they beat the Yankees and Baltimore?
They have to look to build a roster to beat them in the post season. Trades in the end are supposed to work for both parties.
I just think you don't get many shots when you are a small market team.
Go for the gusto.
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The thing about Crochet is that he this is his 1st year as a starter, he has already pitched more innings than any season in his career except his rookie season, and he is coming off an arm injury.
Word has it teams looking to trade for him would put him in the bullpenn to limit his innings the rest of the season, then late season try to stretch him back out so he can start in the playoffs.
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The thing about Crochet is that he this is his 1st year as a starter, he has already pitched more innings than any season in his career except his rookie season, and he is coming off an arm injury.
Word has it teams looking to trade for him would put him in the bullpenn to limit his innings the rest of the season, then late season try to stretch him back out so he can start in the playoffs. Bingo. Crochet has never thrown more than 100 innings. You'd be trading for a guy that you hope can make a start in the postseason with no postseason experience. He's a good fit for the Dodgers. He's not a gamechanger this year (imo), long term I think he's a #1 or #2 starter. There's been rumblings about Chris Bassitt. Would not cost nearly as much and has postseason experience.
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The thing about Crochet is that he this is his 1st year as a starter, he has already pitched more innings than any season in his career except his rookie season, and he is coming off an arm injury.
Word has it teams looking to trade for him would put him in the bullpenn to limit his innings the rest of the season, then late season try to stretch him back out so he can start in the playoffs. Not to mention he would be very expensive. To me it would be a rob Peter to pay Paul situation.
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j/c: Jazz Chisolm Jr. is someone I'd like to get. Versatile like many other Guardians players (can play SS, CF, maybe 2B?) and could add to the offense over someone like Rocchio and Freeman. Also has two more years of arbitration. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024...ors-marlins-mariners-royals-pirates.html
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I have seen him play many times because the Marlins are in the Braves division.
He is a talented, young all around player and will cost in trade.
He will also be pursued by others including the Braves.
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The Trade Deadline almost always impacts how well the contenders perform in the post season.
You can put a team over the hump with the right deals.
In 2021 the Braves lost Acuna (the first ACL) They picked up Eddie Rosario from Cleveland. He was the MVP of the NLCS.
At the same time they got Jorge Solar from KC for a bag of peanuts. He became the MVP of the World Series.
The Guardians are a good team. They need to make some deals.
Go for it.
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These next few weeks will say a lot about the Guardian organization.
When a team has the best record in the American League at the All Star break. You are a good team who should contend for a World Series.
"If" you make the right adjustments. The other contenders are going to do all they can to improve. You must follow suit.
There is a chance that Bazzana could be a call up in September. That would mean Andres Gimenez would move to SS.
Putting Kwan, Naylor, Jose, and Bazzana together could put in motion a core for many years.
They have the best closer in Clase. The bullpen is lights out.
You need a power three for starters for post season. There are starters available if the Guardians are willing.
Of course it will cost good prospects. But sometimes you have to pull the trigger.
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Everything I’ve heard and read is that we need pitchers, starters, but it’s slim pickings anywhere for that. There’s a lot of injured pitchers atm so teams are hanging on to who they got and there’s lots of buyers in the market generally. Would that be correct? Listened to Pluto podcast last week and he made it sound like it’s unlikely we’ll be able to shake loose any quality pitchers without giving up a ton in return. Is that our primary goal? And is it true that it’s as bad a market as he and others claim?
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There are pitchers who will be available.
The question is will the Guardians make deals?
You rarely steal guys. Teams want to maximize trade value. You have to give up talent in order to acquire talent.
IMO in the minors you should have a few guys who are untouchable. Others who you feel can be used in trade that should return talent.
They have to be good prospects.
The Guardians are good enough to go for it. They have a legit chance to win it all. If they make the right deal.
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The only worry I have is will Dolan be on board with taking on a big contract?
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The Guardians have the number two ranked farm system which includes six tier one prospects.
https://www.mlb.com/news/farm-system-rankings-2024-preseason
They could make any deal to get the best pitcher available.
They have the best record in the American League.
If not now when? When are they going to go all in and try to win a World Series?
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Hoping for a SP and Rooker from the A’s.
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Some of these teams are basically going to hold out until the end of the deadline too. Some want to see if their season can get turned around. Others are probably trying to maximize their return. The pitching that is available... many of them are on contracts 2 to 3 years out. So those teams are content to sit and wait.
Starting Pitching is at a premium right now. Tons of teams looking for starting pitching... so don't expect to see a deal until the end of the month
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I really don’t think they will make a move for a starter. I think that they are hoping for Boyd to return to form and either McKenzie or Allen get straightened out. I hope I’m wrong
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The Guardians have the number two ranked farm system which includes six tier one prospects.
https://www.mlb.com/news/farm-system-rankings-2024-preseason
They could make any deal to get the best pitcher available.
They have the best record in the American League.
If not now when? When are they going to go all in and try to win a World Series? I agree we have the chips to trade. We would also have to pick up the contract. If Dolan doesn't want to take on the contract, no deal. I think Dolan has our FO tied to a fairly tight budget.
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At some point fans equal money.
I don't know much about Dolan other than he is cheap. He has more money than Steinbrenner.
He is sixth in MLB owners net worth.
I read his Wiki. I don't get it. Local guy. Baseball background.
The Guardians are the type of team that with momentum could win a World Series. They can increase their chances significantly with a few good trades now.
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I don't care where he ranks in net worth. He has shown he doesn't spend.
Like I said, that is my worry. If he isn't willing to spend, trades won't happen. If we are looking to bring in a solid player or two who are proven, they are probably in fairly expensive contracts.
We can give up our entire minor league system but that won't change the contract we take on.
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The Blue Jays are going to go scorched earth and might have Bichette and/or Vladimir for sale. Shapiro will be gone.
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The Blue Jays are going to go scorched earth and might have Bichette and/or Vladimir for sale. Shapiro will be gone. He won't be gone if the owner nixes the trades. Also, Bichet is on a off year, and now injured.
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j/c Dang, why do the Braves fans want to trade all our farm?  I'm teasing. I would be really surprised if they do not make some trades. The Guards drafted quite a few players and had some good draft money to entice some of them. So that should mean they will be cutting (or trading) some players loose in the farm system. They will also need to make some moves, b/c of changes to the 40 man roster. The basic answer would be to sign Trevor Bauer. However, he must be blacklisted or something for a team not to pick him up month(s) ago. We do have a log jam of middle infielders between the major league club and Triple A. So that would definitely be one area to pull from. Rocchio, Jimenez, Schneemann, A. Martinez (who's been playing the OF), Arias, Braccio, Tena, Brito and not counting Bazzana in the next couple years. Same could be said with the OFs, with JRod, J. Noel, former #1 prospect Valera, and possibly DeLauter (though he's been hurt) if looking for a big trade. My guess, they won't go after a big time starting pitcher. I think there will be too many bidders and the cost will be too high. They might be looking at their SPs for next month with Bibee, Lively, Gavin Williams, and Boyd as a good group. Maybe hoping Cantillio (from Triple A) will give them a spark or Logan Allen hopefully getting back on track with his stint in Triple A. If they do go after someone, Paxton from the Dodgers was just DFA'd. Or I would expect it would be a second or third tier starter in a trade. Examples would be Kikuchi from the BJs, Motas from the Reds If I had to guess on where they will put their assets, it would be Relief pitcher and OF. I highly doubt it would happen, but Mason Miller (A's) would be a perfect compliment to Clase. He's 25, he can hit triple digits, good stuff, and controllable to 2029. In the event, Clase prices himself off our team in a few years, you could move over to him. Obviously Miller would have to be good with the role. But I expect RP might be an area we might trade some assets. As for OF, Rooker from the A's could be an option. Arozarena from the Rays, Conforto from the the Giants I wouldn't be too excited about and a few others. If I had a choice it would be for Jazz Chisholm, and one of their top relievers. Though, I think that is more of a wish list than a possibility. Teams I expect a trade with: Rays b/c of trades in the past, Blue Jays with their GMs Cleveland connection, Reds another team we tend to trade with, or maybe the Marlins since we have done business with them last year.
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I’m really wanting Mason Miller (RP) and Brent Rooker (OF) from the A’s, would be costly but we have the assets to make it happen, maybe have them throw in the other Naylor.
Then go get either Erick Fedde (SP) White Sox, he’s under contract through ‘25. Or Tyler Anderson (SP) Angels, also under contract through ‘25. Neither one would be to expensive.
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