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Tell me who in this draft, picking around 24th,...would be a better value then BQ?
Any position?
Savage got a steal and I'm tickled he's on our team.
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Well I know about the pick but I mean about the QB situation.. Say the Phins drafted BQ.. Would Phil have went after Trent Edwards or another QB? Would Phil have jettisoned Frye, or just benched him as the # 2 QB?  I have just speculated in my mind and I might have said it several days after the draft..
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From everything I heard we were hot on Trent Edwards...I think he would have been a Brown.
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I thought we were...I remembered reading something on Scout.com about interest in him ..course we got to see him up close and personal..
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The BROWNS benefit most from the trade of DA.
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We should have no problem finding someone who wants DA with how poor the QB situation is around the league. I know there is a similar list in this thread but I wanted to give my input as well.
Miami - Lemon and Culpepper are both mediocre at best and Beck, though a rookie, will be 27 next year. If he's not ready to play now, can they really wait, especially with a regime change? It's definitely a possibility.
Atlanta - Harrington and Leftwich are both mediocre, both were benched because of performance and Redman is a journeyman that was rostered only because of his Petrino connection. I can't imagine they'll be content with that garbage rotation.
Kansas City - Damon Huard isn't a starting QB in this league and Croyle barely showed anything in the time he was given. They may want to target o-line instead however.
New York Jets - Not saying that they'll do it with Clemens still young but Pennington can't ever stay healthy and Clemens hasn't even come close to blowing people away yet.
Baltimore - I doubt they'd swallow the humble pie to take DA back but McNair is toast, Boller is just average and Smith is still too raw to start IMO.
Carolina - Delhomme is solid but is getting older (33), Carr is overpaid trash and Moore isn't good at all. If they want some young insurance for Delhomme, I can see it happening.
Chicago - Grossman is a free agent, Griese looks to be on the outs after being benched for Kyle Orton, who is also lousy. DA would go a long way towards fixing their big play issues and with what they have, they NEED a guy regardless.
Detroit - I'm not sure how to read into their situation but Martz was the one who pushed Kitna hard to management and he's probably gone. Kitna is nowhere near the QB he thinks he is. DA would be a nice fit in their vertical passing game but they may want to see what they can get out of Stanton.
Minnesota - There's no way that they're happy with Jackson. They traded to bring Holcomb in knowing Jackson wasn't ready and started him for a few games to realize he stinks too. Heck, Bollinger got reps for them. Jackson's mechanics are autrocious and the QB position is really the only thing keeping them back. I expect them to think long and hard about DA.
San Francisco - Smith is in the doghouse with management and if Nolan is too, a new guy may want to clean house. Dilfer isn't any good (which somehow SF didn't learn from us) and Hill is a complete unknown at this point.
IMO, that's a ton of potential interest for DA. The bottom line is that if we want to trade him, we will. It just depends on what compensation we're willing to settle on.
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We would still have our first round pick this year and be sitting pretty.
That is why I was so against the move to get Quinn. I thought we needed to give Frye another year before we spent what we did. I was wrong about Frye but DA stepped up, who knew?
The thing is we are still sitting pretty if we resign DA. We now know that DA can lead this team. If Quinn beats him out then we will have a backup that can come in and save our season if an injury occurs. We got Quinn pretty cheap considering DA played so well and Quinn isn't meeting his incentives.
There are a couple of big time lineman that should hit free agency. I'm not one who thinks you should build a team through FA but we have plenty of cap space to make it easier.
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Ever wonder what would have happened had the Phins taken BQ??
There would be NO discussion of letting Anderson get away under any circumstances and a long term deal would have been done already and some fans that nitpicked the hell out of him all year wouldn't have been so ready to call him a finished product at age 24 that could not get any better..
That's what would have happened,,,,
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Don't be surprised to see Miami try and work a deal consisting of a DA/RAC package.
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There would be NO discussion of letting Anderson get away under any circumstances and a long term deal would have been done already and some fans that nitpicked the hell out of him all year wouldn't have been so ready to call him a finished product at age 24 that could not get any better..
U know this how? Who says the same thing wouldn't be going going right now?..fact is Edwards is not a bad QB...and if the Browns had taken him and felt strongly about him the very same thing could still be out there right now.. How's it feel to be off ignore? SAME WAY IT FELT when you didn't have me on it 
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We would still have our first round pick this year and be sitting pretty.
We'd be sitting pretty late in the first round you mean.
Quinn was a huge value at that slot - good luck getting that in the draft this year. I'd take Quinn over every single QB in 2008, and most if not all of those guys will be gone in the Top 10. It was the right move at the time and it's the right move now - the only difference is that now we have a surplus at the position. We trade off the surplus, we might even be in a better position than before. It's that simple.
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SAME WAY IT FELT when you didn't have me on it
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Yeah you're brilliant...  Having me on ignore didn't upset me.. I only laughed about it..it was kinda funny..just like when I got banned for a week..I laughed..
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Brady Quinn. 
Excel and 531....is Quinn going to be a rookie again?
I do believe Quinn completed his rookie year last weekend..
Now, try again... .....Grrr....WOOF...mac
no i was laughing about the idea that the Fins might now take brady for a #1 pick after passing on him in last yrs draft. I like ginn, but really...
but if we offered it, which we wont, it might actually HAPPEN-how funny is that!!
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The wisest thing said so far.
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I would drive DA and Rac to Miami free of charge and probably wouldnt need a vehicle coming back. Just do my happy dance all the way home.
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Don't be surprised to see Miami try and work a deal consisting of a DA/RAC package.
I thought this same exact thing when I started reading this thread. If it's true that RAC is Parcell's first choice, then this is a possibility.
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We'd be sitting pretty late in the first round you mean.
No, I mean that we would have been able to use the 36th pick in the draft last year and had the 23rd pick in the draft this year, plus have a productive QB on the roster in DA.
I realize that is not how the rest of you see it, but in my opinion, and it is just my opinion..........I would rather go w/DA at QB, have last year's 36th overall pick, and this year's 23rd overall pick.......rather than having BQ.
Attack: I didn't understand your question. Now that you clarified it, I must say that is interesting to speculate on. I don't know the answer, but it would be interesting to know if Savage would have picked a QB in the second round. I don't think so.......I think he would have went defense, but it is interesting to think about.
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And it is interesting to just muse over.. I think Phil would have taken a QB somwhere because of the uncertainty of Frye/Anderson..plus they didn't get another FA QB... They had looked at so many QB's from the draft, but Eo's comment reminded me of the stuff I read about them either looking real hard at Edwards or interviewing him..can't totally recall..Edwards did go in the third ..I guess the question was, how high on Phil's board was he?
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We would still have our first round pick this year and be sitting pretty.
We'd be sitting pretty late in the first round you mean.
Quinn was a huge value at that slot - good luck getting that in the draft this year. I'd take Quinn over every single QB in 2008, and most if not all of those guys will be gone in the Top 10. It was the right move at the time and it's the right move now - the only difference is that now we have a surplus at the position. We trade off the surplus, we might even be in a better position than before. It's that simple.
I'm with you there, IMO Quinn goes Top 5 in this draft, maybe even #1 overall. I think he's miles ahead any of the QB's in this draft.
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I would drive DA and Rac to Miami free of charge and probably wouldnt need a vehicle coming back. Just do my happy dance all the way home.
I couldnt agree more !!!!!!!!! Why RAC wouldnt play BQ the last game of the season is beyond belief. He could have gotten a nice glimpse of what BQ is capable of.
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Maybe. Maybe not.
The Raiders wouldn't take him. The Phins had a shot at him last year and went a different direction. Who knows where he'd go this year. He was projected top 5 or so this past year. Hell ... Notre Dame had a msierable year. Maybe Quinn would have improved their results .... and maybe not. No one can say with absolute certainty.
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So.............he was number 22 in this draft and would be # 1 in the upcoming draft.  You guys are amazing.
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Atlanta
Chicago
Miami
Even Carolina I'm thinking
Kansas City probably won't look but they really should
About half way through the season, I had Minnesota on this list. Although I still don't think Tavaris Jackson is their answer, I think he showed enough improvement to go into next year as their man. In the beginning of the year, I thought he was the worst starting QB in the NFL.
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MIA: Lemon proved hes a capable backup, Beck looked horrid. They may want DA either A) to save Cam's job or B) If a new coach is brought in, to upgrade the position.
BAL: McNair is done, even though Boller is signed through the year he is only a backup, Troy Smith showed some promise but a new coaching staff may want change. Hard to trade DA to a fellow division opponent but if the offer is right.
KC: Neither Huard nor Croyle proved to be up to the task of handling the starting role. They may try another year with Brodie but don't be surprised if Anderson ends up on their radar.
CHI: They are still in need of a QB, but after this season they may need a RB as well. Not sure they'd be willing to take another chance on a turnover prone QB.
MIN: I thought this would be the team to push the hardest, but Tavaris Jackson showed up at the end of the season and may have bought himself another shot.
DET: Kitna isn't getting any younger but they did draft Drew Stanton in the 2nd round, I don't think they give up on him yet.
ATL: Has no viable starter on their roster. Redman is a career backup. Leftwhich did not impress and Harrington looked like his usual self.
CAR: Without Delhomme the Panthers look terrible. Carr can't even play backup anymore. While I think they give Jake another year, DA could still be on their minds if the price is right.
TB: Garcia played great and McCown was decent when called to start. DA is an outside shot.
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He looked decent in his first start, not in his second. The fact is he only started because Gradkowski was also injured.
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So.............he was number 22 in this draft and would be # 1 in the upcoming draft.
You guys are amazing.
I can virtually guarantee he wouldn't slip to 22 in this draft. Especially given how shallow the QB position proved to be this year.
Just think of how many teams wish they could have that pick back to select Quinn, not just Miami but all the other teams that thought they were ok at the QB position when they were clearly not.
Quinn would EASILY be the best QB prospect in this draft if he were in it. Miami needs a QB (Beck sucks, absolutely terrible), Carolina probably would have selected Quinn had they known what was going to happen, KC, etc.
You honestly don't think teams learned their lesson this year about how valuable the QB position is? NO WAY he falls to 22 if teams had a crystal ball that told the future of their seasons.
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Who says the same thing wouldn't be going going right now?..fact is Edwards is not a bad QB
That was your comment after you wanted to know how I knew that.... Ok,, How do you know that Edwards would have been in the mix at all,,, Go on,, tell me, it's because your brilliant isn't it.. 
Just wonderng, are you proud of having been banned?
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Any of the teams mentioned would benefit from getting DA....he is a good player.
We would be better off keeping DA at least until we actually see Quinn.
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That's pretty much what was said last year... NOBODY on the planet figured he would get past Miami... Yet, guarantee or not, he sure slipped didn't he.. I mean, it is what it is..
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Why wouldn't they give Jake another year? He started 3 games this year and his rating was over 110 when he got hurt... He had 8 TDs and 1 INT... he was actually playing as well as he has in a long time. IIRC, he's 32 or 33 years old, which isn't ancient by QB standards, he could have at least 4 or 5 more good years in him.
Unless his injury is more serious than we all know, I don't think Carolina is THAT viable of a candidate... an outside chance I suppose, but Carolina isn't a place where DA would automatically be the starter...
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Hmmmmmmm.....I can guarantee he won't get drafted at all in this draft.
It doesn't take much to guarantee something that will never play out.
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Ever wonder what would have happened had the Phins taken BQ?? 
Then we would have gone into the season with Frye, Andersen and Dorsey, and most likely stayed with Frye to see if he could overcome his troubles, it would have been game 6 or 7 before we switched to Andersen at best, who would probably still be gunshy of screwing up and getting yanked again.
And we would have finished the season 3-13, drafting in the top 5, and still have no fix for our QB position.
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Ok,, How do you know that Edwards would have been in the mix at all,,, Go on,, tell me, it's because your brilliant isn't it If you followed the replies, the Browns had a lot of interest in Edwards..other than Quinn.. That was simple wasn't it? I can't help it cuz I read and investigate some things.. Just wonderng, are you proud of having been banned? I said I thought it was funny...so I was amused..I called someone a big baby..hardly anything to be ashamed of thats why I thought it was funny.. I have a hunch you'll have me on ignore very soon..
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Any of the teams mentioned would benefit from getting DA....he is a good player.
We would be better off keeping DA at least until we actually see Quinn.
We could have seen BQ against the Niners but Nooooooo!!!!!!!! RAC had to stay with his apparent illegitimate child DA.
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I don't think Phil was comfortable with Frye/DA/Dorsey..thats why he went after BQ..he knew Frye wasn't a long term answer..
I think he still would have taken a QB..and still did the same thing after Frye self -destructed in the first game..
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I don't think Phil was comfortable with Frye/DA/Dorsey..thats why he went after BQ..he knew Frye wasn't a long term answer..
I think he still would have taken a QB..and still did the same thing after Frye self -destructed in the first game..
I think that would depend on what other QB they picked up. I believe, and I have no proof so don't go there, that Savage and RAC expected BQ to be playing no latter than mid-season. Lucky for us, things worked out for the best. But depending on who that 'other' QB would be, and their ability to start this season, would have played heavily into trading Frye to Seattle.
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If Phil gets a DL in free agency he just might keep DA as insurance.
IMO Atlanta would be a good trade partner for draft picks. IIRC they have an extra 2nd rounder? Who has spare DL to trade outright?
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IF we do deal Anderson, who do we go after to sign as a backup? I'm not going to just sit back and relax with Ken Dorsey backing up Brady Quinn, I know that much. What kind of veteran would be available at that point? I look at that schedule next year and we very well may NEED another solid quarterback just to get through some games.
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If Phil gets a DL in free agency he just might keep DA as insurance.
IMO Atlanta would be a good trade partner for draft picks. IIRC they have an extra 2nd rounder? Who has spare DL to trade outright?
Unless we have Haynesworth wrapped up the moment Free Agency begins, there may not be time as someone else may have an offer sheet to DA when it begins.... which starts the clock ticking on whether or not we match.
Aside from that, I don't think a couple of DLine would be enough to pass up a couple of high draft picks. We still have a lot of holes and question marks on this team.... and the defense still needs some real depth (as does the WR corps).
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