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I forgot we even drafted him


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Zinter's time starts now


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Not saying our tackles weren't horrendous, but I was more disappointed in our interior line. Aside from our D, they are supposed to a strength of the team and they really didn't look all that good either.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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I think we need a QB change.


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
I think we need a QB change.

I don't disagree. I would love to see Winston in there.

The team looked like they literally drew straws each quarter for who was going to short circuit the offense. QB is only part of the problem.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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I bet if you gave KS truth serum he'd want Winston in there too. Or to have kept Flacco.

But, we're stuck with Watson and an aged out/injured/unmotivated OL


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Zinter's time starts now

And whether or not Zinter succeeds, I think this might be Teller's last season with the Browns.


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What a miserable, miserable week with this team. It never gets any easier.

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one crappy thing to me: let's just say we get Chubb back week 10 (which we all will really appreciate) ... but that point we could be 2-7 or whatever and have it be pointless


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Third week and I am looking at the quarterbacks in the draft.

I wanted Baker to work. I wanted DW to work. I gave them both the benefit of doubt. I honestly thought DW would be who he was. I saw no real reason for a 28 year old star in the league to look like he has.

Oh well.

Garrett Nussmeier and Jalen Milroe have caught my eye. Really early but both are intriguing.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
Third week and I am looking at the quarterbacks in the draft.

I wanted Baker to work. I wanted DW to work. I gave them both the benefit of doubt. I honestly thought DW would be who he was. I saw no real reason for a 28 year old star in the league to look like he has.

Oh well.

Garrett Nussmeier and Jalen Milroe have caught my eye. Really early but both are intriguing.

At least, for now, we have a first round pick in this upcoming draft.

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Ewers could be a possibility? I'm assuming we'll be picking top 10


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I just looked at NFL Standings.

Sixteen teams are 1-2. Three teams are 0-3. Lots of pissed off fans I guess.

I am almost at the point where I have accepted I will never see a Browns team win a Super Bowl.

I would sure like a quarterback I could root for.


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I would feel much better if we had a different 1-2 path ... but we lost AT HOME to two other teams who are ALSO just 1-2


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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The Browns opponents this season are a combined 0-6 in their games not against the Browns.

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Originally Posted by Milk Man
The Browns opponents this season are a combined 0-6 in their games not against the Browns.

That is a hugely damning factoid.


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The Browns opponents this season are a combined 0-6 in their games not against the Browns.

That is a hugely damning factoid.

#kevinstefanski

Guy just can’t coach winning football.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Yeah, 11 wins with having to start 4 different QB's isn't winning football. Did I need purple for that?


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Seriously. The Stefanski bashing I just ignore. To me, Watson has to be good in LV or get benched.


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Sure blame Stefanski, 2 time NFL coach of the year.

It would take him about a minute to find a job.


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Originally Posted by WooferDawg
Sure blame Stefanski, 2 time NFL coach of the year.

It would take him about a minute to find a job.


You do realize that his record so far in Cleveland has been one good year ...... 2 not so good ... 1 good year .... and now this year ....... this.

(11-5, 8-9. 7-10, 11-6, 1-2) crazy

He has also not won the divison ... ever.

He better get things turned around soon.


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I am still baffled by the fact that DW seems to have went from superstar to this without really playing a game. I try to think how this may have happened and nothing makes sense. Unless he just doesn't want to play anymore. Sometimes,
I wonder if he wants to get benched so he can just sit there and collect a check.
Regarding the college QBs. I haven't seen much of Milroe and Nussmeier this year. Ewers looks like the real deal and I have had my eye on Beck for awhile now. This team just can't seem to get it right at the QB spot. It is damn near Twilight Zone episode strange how they get it wrong every time, no matter what tactic they take.

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Originally Posted by WooferDawg
Sure blame Stefanski, 2 time NFL coach of the year.

It would take him about a minute to find a job.


You do realize that his record so far in Cleveland has been one good year ...... 2 not so good ... 1 good year .... and now this year ....... this.

(11-5, 8-9. 7-10, 11-6, 1-2) crazy

He has also not won the divison ... ever.

He better get things turned around soon.

Bingo.

This is actually worse than I thought. I don’t know why I had the every other year thing wrong. I think I spaced year 3 for some reason.

At any rate, you won’t achieve sustained success with Stefanski.


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There really is no reason.

IMO it has nothing to do with desire or money.

There is a fine line in the decision process. Something connects or does not when you decide to throw the ball somewhere.

DW is not seeing it. The play Orlovsky breakdown is a perfect example. The first down throw is right there. He holds it and is tackled for a loss.

Three weeks into this season and those throws are all over the place in the three games played.

It is not the fault of Dorsey or KS. It is Watson.

That is why this is confusing and frustrating. He is not playing at an NFL level.

You can be a great athlete. Mobile, fast, arm talent etc. It is the decision process that matters most.

It is sad that this has worked out this way. I really don't fault the Browns organization. Nobody could have seen this coming.

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in regards to that 4th and 1 play where Watson doesn't read it correctly ... another sad point: we ran that EXACT same play against that EXACT same defensive alignment about a quarter earlier

Really frustrating


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by bonefish
Third week and I am looking at the quarterbacks in the draft.

I wanted Baker to work. I wanted DW to work. I gave them both the benefit of doubt. I honestly thought DW would be who he was. I saw no real reason for a 28 year old star in the league to look like he has.

Oh well.

Garrett Nussmeier and Jalen Milroe have caught my eye. Really early but both are intriguing.


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The route to the flat is the first read. It is the number one option.

See the DB. Throw the ball.

Pre-snap you see who has coverage. Post-snap you read the DB break and make the throw.

His inability to "see it." It is confounding.

Add his inaccuracy and it leads IMO to the decision to bench him.

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by week 18 Myles is going to have 18 injuries listed


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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"The Raiders run defense has given up over 100 rushing yards in all three of their games this season, averaging 152.7 rushing yards allowed – which ranks 29th in the NFL. They've given up a total of 458 rushing yards on 85 carries."

So, with that being said and a make shift, patch work Offensive line tha can't pass block and a QB that holds the ball way too long, look for Stefanski to throw the ball 46 times.


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Originally Posted by DaveyD
"The Raiders run defense has given up over 100 rushing yards in all three of their games this season, averaging 152.7 rushing yards allowed – which ranks 29th in the NFL. They've given up a total of 458 rushing yards on 85 carries."

So, with that being said and a make shift, patch work Offensive line tha can't pass block and a QB that holds the ball way too long, look for Stefanski to throw the ball 46 times.


rofl Sad but true. Hard to run out of the gun. And unfortunately, DW falls off even more under center. But on the bright side, if DW stinks again this week, there will be major pressure for a shake up at QB. DW has had 10X the excuses that Baker had made for him.

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Originally Posted by Milk Man

With the playcalling we've witnessed, I wonder if Kev realizes that there are less men in coverage because there are more men trying to kill the qb.


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Originally Posted by bonefish
There really is no reason.

IMO it has nothing to do with desire or money.

There is a fine line in the decision process. Something connects or does not when you decide to throw the ball somewhere.

DW is not seeing it. The play Orlovsky breakdown is a perfect example. The first down throw is right there. He holds it and is tackled for a loss.

Three weeks into this season and those throws are all over the place in the three games played.

It is not the fault of Dorsey or KS. It is Watson.

That is why this is confusing and frustrating. He is not playing at an NFL level.

You can be a great athlete. Mobile, fast, arm talent etc. It is the decision process that matters most.

It is sad that this has worked out this way. I really don't fault the Browns organization. Nobody could have seen this coming.

Plenty of people saw this coming. He's always been this guy...maybe not as pitifully bad...but there is no surprise here. Here is his draft profile:

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2017dwatson.php

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