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The Guards are becoming a Tampa Bay type team where they just continue to be relevant and churn out guys

Shocking that the Tigers are now 2nd in the AL Central, having jumped both the Twins and Royals.

Hope that I’m in the right forum here… Sad to see the Oakland A’s moving on. Talk about an absentee owner.

Given that the Indians ownership haven’t been perfect, but have been much better than A’s ownership, I have to wonder about their future in Cleveland. Given that the Indians are 20th in attendance, despite being in first place, I can see the new majority owner holding a new stadium over the head of Cleveland, and threatening to move to either Charlotte, OKC, or San Antonio. I get that they signed a lease, but so did the Browns and so did the St. Louis Rams. - They’re going to have to figure out a way to get Cleveland fans reinvested in their hometown baseball team.. if being in first place doesn’t draw people, I can’t see what will..

What are you talking about? The Guardians have sold out more games this year than they have a decades. They're going to draw over 2M fans in attendance for the first time in a long time. They reached 1M fans in attendance 41 games which was the fastest time to reach that mark since 2007.

What a bizarre post. Clearly, you have not been paying attention and have zero pulse of the fanbase. It's actually remarkable the Guardians are 20th in attendance given they have the smallest stadium by capacity in the MLB.



https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/mlb/biggest-mlb-stadiums-ranking-by-capacity-bm15/

Oh ok. So they’re not 20th in attendance? I was just astonished by how a team like the the Colorado Rockies has a higher average home attendance than the Indians. I mean, that must be a little disappointing to a new ownership group.

Here’s where I’m getting the info:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance

Yes, they’re currently 20th in attendance. Coors Field seats ~12k more people than Progressive Field.

Context of attendance in relation to stadium capacity isn’t hard to understand (or at least it shouldn’t be).

Just citing the attendance numbers is pretty lazy argument when you do not take into account stadium capacity.

There is more reasonable chance Haslam packs up and leaves town when the lease expires if he doesn’t get the stadium deal he wants. Guardians aren’t going anywhere for a long time.

You’re right, this isn’t difficult to understand.

1st place teams Stadium average attendance/capacity 2024

Yankees 41822/ 46537 = 89%

Indians 25824/ 34830 = 74%

Astros 35037/41000 = 85%

Phillies 41515/ 42901 = 96%

Brewers 31151/ 41900 = 74%

Dodgers 48563/56000 = 86%


So, of the first place teams, the Tribe is tied for the lowest attendance/capacity. - Not good. Additionally, they are the lowest in attendance overall (of first place teams)at 25824, with the next closest team being Milwaukee, at 31151. - Not good.

Now take into account that the Indians are, again, 20th in attendance overall and this means that there are other clubs, not in 1st,2nd,3rd place in their divisions who are attracting more people overall to the ballpark.

Which means what? To me, it means that the new ownership will be able to get a shiny new stadium built in a warm weather city and expect to draw higher attendance/capacity ratio and make more money than he would in Cleveland - regardless of whether his team is in 1st or 3rd place.


As for the Browns moving, I can certainly see that also if the city keeps messing with Jimmy.

Thoughts?

The populations of NY, LA, Philly, and Houston are also significantly larger than Cleveland and Milwaukee

It's shocking that the Indians are getting so many fans to the games considering they don't exist.

You're trying to hard to create a narrative that does not exist. We can revisit this in 2046. Until then, I'll be enjoying watching the Guardians play postseason baseball in a packed stadium.

You over here talking about attendance, not a division title, not a division title, but attendance. Not a first round bye, but attendance…

After tonight, the Guardians may only be a .5 game out from the #1 seed.

Congrats to Clase. Bullpen pitched a heck of a game.

Welcome back, Kwan. Led off the game with a dinger. Big game from Jose.

It's shocking how well they're doing. We went to a game in June, and the whole atmosphere was like the Browns are in now. Everybody seemed to think they were in purgatory due to the Baez contract situation. Their bats came alive and suddenly they were in the hunt for a WC spot.

Awesome, looking forward to watching the replay in a little bit

**spoiler alert** SPFM...

I appreciate the heads up.

Jose went off tonight (like you said). Dude almost had a second one in his first or second ab.

A bullpen game, the Guardians had a no-hitter going into the 7th broken up by a bunt single.

Clase gives up a hit, walks two, then proceeds to get a in-field liner for an out, a K, and a ground out to end the ball game. The team is so much fun to watch.

Guardians might end up being my pick to win it all ... they have a great sense of team chemistry, great closer, timely hitting

Exhibit A: Oscar Gonzalez
He was great for that postseason...and sadly not much else.

I'm betting that if you were to take average attendance per game as a ratio of the greater metropolitan population of each team, we'd probably be tied for 1st.

This is from 2013, so it is definitely out of date, but per capita attendance is the REAL measure of support: https://www.businessinsider.com/chart-mlb-per-capita-attendance-2013-8

Clase is a Force!

For the Land! Had some wicked work on the mound last night!

Like Major League: "Might just as well win it all. . . ."

Yankees up 10-0 in the 8th
Safe to say they are going to win.

At the end of the day Guardians will be a game back for best record in the American league.

We have a 3 game series at home against Houston
Yankees have 3 game series at home against Pittsburgh

We have already conceded the best record to the Yankees by looking at our pitching plans. New York is actually two games ahead because of the tie breaker

My lowly Pirates have won 2 games vs the Yankees, trying to help out. Come on Cleveland, beat the Astros tonight!

JRAM hit his 39th HR and 39th double today.

With one game left, if he gets one more of each, he will be the 3rd person in MLB history to hit 40 Hr, 40 doubes, and steal 40 bases

I wonder if the Mets/Braves have a little gentlemen agreement - split no matter what

Sounds like an exciting rollercoaster of a game.
Bummed that you came out on the losing side.
One more chance => Go Braves!

Who do we want? Hot as blazes Detroit or playoff seasoned Houston?

I don't think we have the offense where I think we have what it takes to beat either without some luck but we were 7-6 against detroit so I'd rather take my chances on them, Houston sweeps us. Good news is Detroit matches up really well against Houston so maybe Detroit does us a favor. I get concerned about big gaps off before a playoff series. I hope it works out for us and the 7 days off will get some guys rested and healthy. Just hope Vogt keeping them ready. All in all, Vogt has done a pretty fine job this year as a rookie skipper. I wasn't sure going in what to expect and coming in to fill Tito's shoes couldn't have been easy. He's been great. Few things here and there that are expected but to win the AL central your first year is great. Just hope we get through the ALDS with a good showing and hopefully a win.

who has more LHP?

that's what I want.

Detroit has more LHP, but Skubal is pretty good but Houston has Valdez.. who no hit us last year in less than 100 pitches