DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2024 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 16 Raiders 20 Postgame Thoughts

Disappointing

Watson played well. The rest of the team sucked. But they seemed to play better once Watson started throwing down the field instead of sideways.

Oline sucked
Dline sucked

And the refs hosed us out of 6 points, which would have possibly won the game for us.

2x Coach of the Year is 1-3 with one of the worst Offenses in the league and can't score more than 20 points a game.

The first string OL doesn’t want to play and the second string can’t play. Watson either gets killed or he makes a good play and it gets called back. This team will not finish .500.

All that is left is to watch the team unravel and turn on eachother. The train wreck has started.

- The Amari drop
- The Harris hold
- The missed XP
- The Harris bad snap

all of those, coupled with the bad tackling and penalties .. doom

We lead the league in drops and QB pressures allowed. We can’t do anything right on offense. I dunno what the hell is wrong with Cooper. Is it just bad luck? Did trade reports/rumors get stuck in his head?

All our RBs and WRs so far are uninspiring. It’s clear we need Conklin back way more than we need Wills back, as other than being massive as hell, Jones sucks at RT.

On the bright side we are doing much better with penalties. Only 5 today!!!!

Sell the team haslam.. you had the right GM and you swapped out for downgrades across the board. Dickerson should lose his job tonight. We can't keep trotting this group out there. Berry has done ZERO to address, anyone with eyes can see that Jones, Hudson and Harris don't belong anywhere near an NFL roster, Losing callahan is the worst loss of this franchise, no other coach leaving has resulted in this big of a drop in production. We need to find some else.. Hell, give JT a chance if he wants it. He absolutely couldn't be worse than Dickerson. Our recievers leave ALOT to be desired. From catching, route running, to getting separation. they do it all towards the bottom of the NFL. So many issues on the Stefanski side of the ball and our pathetic media will never call him out on it. I'm sick of watching us get outplayed, outcoached and outhustled week in and week out. This team has no spark. You never believe they are just a play or two away from seizing the game. Instead you feel they are a play or two away from a blowout loss. Its simple, we are not any better than we were when Berry and Stefanski took over, in fact we are worse in alot of ways and we have yet to draft or develop a single impact player that the team can use to establish their identity. I will tell you we had exactly that with Baker and chubb. Its just disappointing so many people give this team the benefit of the doubt only to be smashed every single year.

There is too much money and draft capital in this team to be 1-3.
1. Fire Depodesta - He's the idiot that brought in Stefanski.
2. Fire Berry - He's the idiot that let Baker go and brought in Desean. TAKE A LOOK AT BAKER IN TAMPA! 3-1 AND LOOKS LIKE A SUPERBOWL CONTENDER!
3. Fire Stefanski - Bleeping idiot called a timeout that essentially lost the game for us.
4. Cut Amari Cooper - dude is making it obvious at this point that he does not want to be here. F'in lost the game for us with that pass that he intentionally batted in the air. Not to mention his drops over the last two weeks. Get him the he## outta here.

And this idiot Haslem wants a new stadium. Take this embarassing dumpster of a team and move for all that I care.

THESE IDIOTS TANKED FOR 3 YEARS, DELIVERED A ZERO WIN SEASON, AND NOW CAN'T EVEN BEAT THE TWO WORST TEAMS IN THE NFL! THE RAIDERS WERE MISSING THEIR TWO BEST PLAYERS!

Just crying into my Mich Ultras lol

No coach has ever done less with more.

You have a bad QB and a bad head coach.

Can’t win many games that way …even when you are 6.5 pt favorites at home playing against a bottom five team and playing against another bottom five team without their two best players.

I was at the game today. The team is unprepared and uninspired. It was tough watching in person.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I think that if the Browns keep playing the way they are, a 1-16 season is within their grasp.

Call me crazy.

j/c...

- This team is playing uninspired, unmotivated and unprepared football. There are going to be some hard decisions to make this offseason.

- The Browns did not convert a single 3rd down after the opening drive.

- Cooper has turned into a headcase.

- Another week of not scoring 20 points. The offense put up 10 points against a bad Raiders team. Scored the lone the TD on the scripted opening drive.

- This is far and away the best Watson has looked this year. He cannot take a sack on that final 4th down. Just chuck it up. Maybe you get a PI call.

- As is typical, a missed XP haunts them at the end.

- The defense got ran over by the worst rushing team in the NFL. This defense believed its own hype.

- Emerson continues to get picked on. Sit tight on a contract extension for him.

- It's cringe worthy seeing the players on defense and their group dances when they are losing.

- Stefanski coached scared when he did not trust Hopkins to kick the 58 yard FG before the half after he drilled a 56 yarder.

Cheers: Charlie Hughlett. Great snaps.
Jeers: Jim Schwartz and his "loafs" grading system. Stop dancing.

On to Washington. Washington has scored 80 points in their last two games.

after all of the bad play, we were still going to win if Harris/Watson snap didnt occur. That didnt go unnoticed by me

I think we will be okay. I was pleased to see DW pick it up today. It seemed like sparks of last years team at moments today. Overall it was bad, but I think they’re about to hit their stride. Meanwhile, we need to win and win now. This taking 4+ games to get going seems to be a Ski&CO hallmark.

OK.. How come Stefanski's offense, even with Watson playing well, cannot get going??
How come our Offense has no identity?? The Raiders were one of the worst against the run... and we barely call run plays so that our oline can fire out the raiders.
BTW.. our run game coordinator from last year is gone!!.. What has Stefanski done??

Browns are back, doing Browns things

This list has to include Emerson at least, and possibly the secondary as a whole. More flying dives at legs, whiffs, just amazing how another team went after our weak sister a bunch. Some of our folks seem to avoid contact regularly.

You, sir, are an optimist.

This is not a good football team. There is no unit on this this team that you can point to and say, "At least we are good at ________"

I saw an article on my feed that Browns don't want the play the blame game. Well, somebody has to be blamed. 4 years ago we were praised as having one of the best rosters in football. Now we are, at best, mediocre across the board. Blame Barry, blame Stephanski, blame Watson (or the Watson trade), blame losing Callahan, blame the OL..... I don't really care but this is the most uninspiring football to watch. I was in a bar with the Washington game on right beside it and it was night/day the difference between how they have improved and how we have fallen.

It's hard to explain. Something is wrong with the teams attitude.

Maybe we have players who got a big head and just assumed last years mojo would carry over to this season. I don't know what it is but we have about 3-4 losses left to have any shot.

Punting

we are sorely missing Chubb and Hunt and Njoku's attitude IMO

"We have to do better"

We lost to two of the worst teams in the league. Both handed us a victory and we refused to take it. I watch sports for entertainment. What we've seen this year is anything but.

people felt good because we weren't dealing with Hue Jackson and the 0-16 anymore, that they seem to forget that the idea isn't to be just better than that but to actually compete to play in a super bowl. So what we have been doing is rewarding mediocrity. Sorry but i will die on the hill that we haven't gone backwards since we got rid of Dorsey and Berry and Stefasnki have done nothing to deserve an extension. Our players don't develop under KS and Berry hasn't drafted a single player that would be considered an impact player that other teams had to gameplan for. Stack that on top of mortgaging our future on a QB (not blaming watson today) that came with a metric ton of baggage and question marks when you had a QB on the roster that took you to the playoffs and then the coaching staff failed him by making him play hurt, not putting better players around him to catch the ball etc. Baker had the tools, the things he didn't have are developed by good coaching staffs. That didn't happen. Everyone talks of KS and his offense, sorry, I don't see a good offense since baker left. So here we are, stuck in the middle of not being horrible and not being good enough to compete for anything serious, while the good players that we do have are getting older and will need to be replaced soon. Its a win now league. I firmly believe unless we magically get to the second round of playoffs, this staff needs to be gone.. they have had plenty of time to field a winner. Their time is up.

Watching the Ravens games and how are they winning? RUNNING THE DAMN BALL.

This early in the season it’s pretty common for records to get out of whack. Records tend to get ironed out as the season wears on, more opportunities for a team to show who they really are. Some teams like the Ravens and Niners are clearly better than their early season records would indicate. Other teams like the Seahawks and I would say Steelers are probably worse than their record would suggest.

To me the Browns are a 1-3 team that looks exactly like a 1-3 team. They get one good quarter out of every game. They’ll probably project out to 4-5 wins in 17 games. Theyll probably project out to 22nd or 23rd best record out of 30 teams when the season concludes. Deshaun will likewise “improve” to about 20-25th best QB. They’ll end up in the bottom 25% of the division. They’re a 25% ball club.

I also likewise now care about 25% after today. I don’t mean to just bail early but I’ve seen this movie before. Maybe just maybe we rise to mediocre, have a nice little run of games. Whatever, it won’t last. This is not their year. This team has major systemic dysfunction starting with the OL but there’s lots of poor play all around. Lots of bad juju.

I’m most disappointed in the coaching. I’m not calling for changes and won’t even if they have a full disaster season but it’s sobering to see how poorly prepared and uninspired they look. They look lost.

Cooper’s drop, getting an assist on the INT, his TD called back because of holding, the terrible snap from Harris, a missed PA, injuries piling up, punter gets our MVP of the Game Award, Flacco throws for two TDs and Baker puts up numbers.
Hello, Cleveland!!!

I've been disappointed in the defense ... yes they step up for stretches, but they seem to get soft too often and let the opponent reel off chunks

Emerson has been awful this year and it's apparent

Whatever Houston did to us last season exposed us IMO

In terms of the offense, too many self inflicted things have killed us

And I also Forgot the crap tackling by the defense!! And Jim Schwartz, everybody is running on your Defense... and other than Myles Garrett, no one else on the D line is getting any pressure on opposing QBs. There should be a wholesale, from coaches to players, cussing out for everyone!!

Our offense was so bad that Watson actually looked kinda good in comparison.

Our D got carved up by Gardner Minshew and the rest of the Raiders JV team. They had the worst running game coming into the game and they were picking up chunks. Minshew made enough good throws to win. As bad as our offense is, it's the D that has been the real disappointment. They were supposed to carry us to a couple wins, but they are trending to be mediocre at best.

Cooper - some on here said he's one of the few people that deserve the benefit of the doubt... but the guy played volleyball defense to make that INT possible.
Watson laughing with the Raiders D on his last play of the game... WOW.


Watson looked somewhat improved, but his issues are still very much present (can't find open man, and his accuracy is off). He was pretty far down the list of issues today, but I'm telling you... watch a bunch of this stuff get magically sorted out when he gets benched for Winston.

I agree except for Hunt. Hunt wasn't good last year.

Browns Offense Rankings:
29th in Passing Yards
23rd in Rushing Yards
32nd in First Downs

j/c

This team has been a disappointment from Game One... and I don't know why.

They look as lost and lackluster as they did during their 1-15/0-16 skein.


On D: What is up with the abysmal tackling technique?
Last year, we watched DDawgs stick, wrap up, and drive opponents into the turf. CLE D was This year? Whiffs, shoulder hits... the stuff we saw when squads were 'phoning it in' during the "0-fer Seasons."

On O: I get that we are depth-thin on Oline, but why are guys allowing free, un-blocked routes to the QB on passing plays? Unacceptable. Even backups need to know their assignments. Doing the least can yield better results than what we're seeing.

WTF is wrong with Amari? Dude looks like he's already retired, and just going through the motions.

Watching this year's team feels like all those years when we were going 5-11, 6-10... and I can't figure out what changed from last year to this.

__________________________

I hope it's an example of "Slow Start Syndrome," but Dawgs- we're 1/4 into the season, and this team is presenting like a sub-.500 team.
There is simply too much talent on the roster for Sundays to look like this.


This is disappointing- and distressing.


.02

The two recent quarterbacks who have led this team into the playoffs were run out of town despite giving there all. What did Berry have against them?

j/c

Loads of good and on point observations which I want to highlight or echo. In no particular order.

3 people mentioned uninspiring - that's troubling both from a talent perspective and effort and attitude perspective. Couple that with looking unprepared and while not so much this game but others - KS still getting outcoached in the 2nd half of games when other HC's have made their adjustments ... very troubling and points to a coaching issue for me. We've seen a very strong history of having a solid first drive with scripted plays - maybe a good Q1 - and then losing the rest of the game and being out-schemed.

Someone said KS coached scared - but that's something else we have seen time and again. I don't think scared - but playing not to lose, being conservative. How many games with giant leads (3 scores) ended up close? A lot. The Stefanski supporters claimed it was a well managed game to reduce risk - but look around at winning teams and top tier head coaching and when they can, they step on the throats of their opposition. I'd like to see us do that more. We're aggressive on 4th down (because the analytics says to do it) but not anywhere else within the game.

Someone talked about no-one being to blame - I think it's about accountability and hearing the HC talk platitudes in the post game presser and saying 'on me' 'must try harder' doesn't cut it. For all the love Schwartz got last year - for example - he's calling some questionable defensive plays or the D in general is performing under expectations. And you'd like to see some passion and fire among players and coaches .... not week in week out. Not fake stuff - but when it's so chronically bad, and the attitude is pedestrian it's frustrating.

Amari - As much as I loved the acquisition and think highly of him, his play 2024 has sucked. Attitude appears to suck. Awful drops and body language. Sort it out.

DW played well - he showed some grit - he wasn't the problem. Are we going to see more of the same every week for the rest of the year?? It would be a huge huge improvement.

As someone said, we've lost to two really bad teams - games we gave ourselves a chance to win despite playing badly - both times shot ourselves in the foot and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Good teams or bad teams that are well coached find ways to get the W. Can't help wonder what Tomlin would have got out of the talent the Browns have had over the last 3-4 years. They consistently find ways to overperform and finish - while we don't. Very frustrating again.

Lastly - salary cap not withstanding - I think I am at the point where I think Berry has done a terrible job. Put aside the DW trade - there's more at play there than simply Berry ... but the WR position has been badly managed. Behind Chubb who was a Dosey pick, the RB's are below average. The OL has starters with a history of injuries and woeful depth behind them. . . . There are some hits in his drafts. Newsome and JOK probably the best ... but so many misses. Check them out .... https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lis...-browns-have-made-under-gm-andrew-berry/

With the improved play from DW - we can win some games with some improvement in other areas. We might not look so bad moving forward ... but a winning record is almost impossible at this point. Playoffs no. Another year gone while we wait till next year. Ugh.

Just rewatching some clips ... Nick Harris was AWFUL. Literal turnstile at C. The Pocic injury alone is why we lost (and he's not great himself)

I'd also reiterate how bad Emerson was yesterday. He's been picked on at will all year. Like clockwork, a QB senses us bringing pressure and he just throws it to Emerson's guy regardless of situation

I don't know what Berry has for Harris, but it has to be for something other than playing football.

Harris isn't close to being a good player.