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I am not good enough to recognize it as much during the game because I'm not as smart about football ... but rewatching the games I can more easily tell the OL play.

You're right: Harris is really bad lol

I too have noticed our corners especially avoiding contact . Hence all the teams going wide on us .
One more thing that drives me crazy is this wide nine defense we play . Garrett should make ten plays every game with his talent .

There is a solution.Dump some of the mathematicians and get an old school football coach.Fortunately there's one in the building.Unfortunately I have zero faith this org.would do it.

Watson getting on Jones after a horrible show of lack of effort

Was the only show of emotions I saw during the game.

Watson with Jones on the sidelines also showed some class.

Lack of effort or being prepared seems to be a problem

Not with all, enough though

We knew that last year...didn't re-sign him...then TRADED for him anyway when we needed a C. Berry doing Berry things...again.

Outside of Harris, what were our realistic options?

I honestly don't know, but I do suspect Berry has a better handle on available talent and require compensation. Some times you are limited in options.

the realistic answer is that we didnt expect to be starting Hudson, Zinter, Harris TOGETHER for a long stretch here. It's just a bad, bad OL.

Good post Bone and right to the point. It gets old but we should be 3-1. The Giants game was winnable and so was yesterdays. Too many mistakes and bad O-Line play. Last year's team had something and it's missing in this year. We have mostly the same players but it feels very different.

- OL was terrible again.
- As a result of the above, no real running game and DW running for his life.
- DW played well. Still, we need more from him considering where this team is right now.

Kevin Stefanski is a good play caller. No one will convince me otherwise and his sample size proves it. That said, there seems to be some very large disconnect between the offensive scheme and what KS calls. It's like the offense is Dorsey's and then Kevin calls plays within that system and it's not something KS is comfortable with or has experience calling. That doesn't seem to make sense to me. These two coaches don't seem in sync and I think its a huge problem to the offensive identity and cohesiveness, outside of the OL issues that is.

This defense is a shell of its former self. Not a ton or pressure, they don't seem to play fast, and poor tacking continues to plaque this team.

Very frustrating to see and the last two games we should have won.

Dorsey stinks. That's been proven and the hire was ridiculous IMO.

I'm not saying he's the reason our offense is bad. He's one of the reasons though.

The marriage between KS, Dorsey, Watson, coupled with the injuries and penalties ... really bad offense

It is a solution my friend.
A solution for uninspired,lacka-daisical play.
While we're at it,JOK is proving me wrong.he played well.He still takes some bad angles,but he gives great effort.

This defense was so over rated going into the season
But everyone forgot it played chump QBs last year
Jim Schwartz scheme was overhyped
The Raiders did what they wanted wanted to on offense
JOK and Garret was the only signs of life on defense
The Browns yet again have put a offense on the field
With the slowest WR room in the league
The offense has no identity through 4 games
The defense has no teeth after 4 games

Cooper might be traded to KC ... Schefter didnt report it for nothing

If anything the sample size proves he isn't a good playcaller. After the first drive we are rudderless. Situational playcalling is some of the worst I've ever seen. Being aggressive and costing sure points when he didn't need to, then going soft and predictable when we need to be aggressive. Not doing anything with packages or playcalling to slow down an aggressive defense. Sorry, go watch Shanahan or reid call plays, hell even Daboll is able to make adjustments in dealing with a subpar QB. Sorry but KS is not it for me. He's not shown anything that says he can get this team to the next level.

Easily the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. To watch what we have watched and not look at what the coaches have done is just obtuse beyond belief

Cooper is old, that is why we tried to trade him for youth. He's never been a WR that gets separation.. He gets even less now.. I think I read almost last in the NFL. Get some WR talent in here and you will see improved QB play period. This is not a good pass catching group

Couldn't agree more. Tackling by our secondary has been a off and on problem for a while. No one wraps up the ball carrier. Just throw your shoulder at them and hope they go down.
Our offensive line was going to be questionable before the season started. Conklin, Jones, and Wills all had surgery last yr. Not many start a new season 100% recovered and we should have anticipated that.
I thought Watson looked a little better this game but this team in general is regressing IMO. We just have too many injured or playing hurt guys so early in the season.
I know our corners can't play man coverage all the time but I'm getting tired watching them set up 8-9 yards off the receiver for an easy catch and YAC.
From what I've watched these last 4 games I just don't expect much this yr.

j/c...

So let me see if I get this straight. He was wrong for being aggressive in his play calling and then he was also wrong for soft play calling. Got it.

If you wish to talk about slow WR's check out Jerry Rice's 40 time at the combine.

In all but one of his last five seasons Cooper has caught for over 1100 yards. He doesn't look like he has in the past but trying to claim he never was a WR to get open is a pure falsehood.

I'm not on here much anymore....But this team is flat out bad. IMO I'm sure this new offensive scheme and format isn't clicking within the players and coaches...

But I do have an issue with Berry (and whomever makes decisions with him) The DLine is not thriving like one would imagine having Myles on one side...Zadarius looked over the hill last year imo, and he is getting completely washed out of plays...after they went ahead and resigned him. Okro we know gets washed out due to his small frame, he too has been near invisible. Our DT room are over the hill, and play like it anymore...there isn't much havoc at all presented by Tomlinson, Harris, or Jefferson. Michael Hall looks like another disaster pick by Berry (though I understand why adding a youth influx to the DT room was needed, as all of our players in that room are old...and the prior busts Berry selected left that room ridden of talent...Togai, Ika, Winfrey)

LB core neglected again...JOK and Hicks, and absolutely nothing behind them. Second level is showing its issues again, pray that Hicks isn't out...as its only going to get worse there.

Secondary issues...Emerson has no swivel in his hips, reason why he was available in the 3rd round...and teams are targeting him more, and its leaving a lot of field between him and the WR. Newsome has always been soft, and looks like he's more interested into choreographing the teams dance moves. Denzel...normally and sadly our best tackler, you can kinda tell he's trying to preserve his head and body from another concussion or injury. Juan Thornhill has been a FA wiff, McCleod is terribly old (however thankful for his spark yesterday) Delpit looks very mediocre, and not the player the fat contract has handed to.

NOW at OT and RB...this FO knew Chubb, Conklin, Wills were all probably leaning to be doubtful to start the season 100%. So to service the RB spot, they brought in Nyheim Hines who was on IR, and guess what....he's still on IR...They brought in Foreman...and thats it...FO wanted to believe Jerome Ford is the answer...he however is a big question...Dances around more than P. Diddy in his videos, lacks any vision or patience...and I'm godly afraid he's going to fumble every touch. So at OT, they bring in some street FA journeymen, make no efforts in the draft for OT....Just boggles my mind (I know Zinter was drafted, and I see the need there....I was just utterly shocked we didn't go OT high....especially with such a disappointing FA approach )

TE...Adkins plays in Houston were a by product of being wide open....he's a solid blocker and that's it...We have some street FA's and that's it...core is very weak behind the injured Njoku

I mean there's other issues present, as our WRS creating poor separation and drops (heck we thought David Bell couldn't separate lol) Watson has some major flaws, scheme looks nightmarish, regression from all facets of the offense (skillset, conditioning, lack of focus) Team just looks awfully slow and old, looks like the Mangini team lol

Team looks timid, coaches seem timid...lack of fire is transparent...Players coaching on the sidelines more than the coaches are, the whole team is off. I watched the Colts/Steelers game prior, and on both sides of the sidelines...you see coaches getting into it with their players (Tomlin laid into Broderick Jones pretty good, then again with his RG) Steichen did the same with his secondary...Idk, our team just looks like a Kimble landfill right now.

worst offense since 2000 .. that's alarming

Just wondering what the narrative would be like this week if the Nick Harris hold doesn't get called...

Browns win
Cooper with a TD and 121 yards receiving
Watson 257 yards and 2 TDs

Our 1-3 record is a cumulative team effort as well as the coaches. If that TD to Cooper was allowed to stand the talk on this board would be very different now. That one hold on Harris has made all the difference.

Last year with a defense much stouter than this, and a nastier streak, the DC stated what he wanted was more aggressiveness, what he called "badassery" as far as identity. I loved reading it and it was kinda fun to type as well. This group, and if we throw in offense as well, it is different. I'm thinking it would have to be more like "halfassery" thus far. And there are a number of contributors to claim the shame of our game.

Agreed. We need a tough guy coach!!!! Hire Rex Ryan!!!!!

I like Ds that blitz. But I don't think we have the DL to pull it off. All that blitzing was hurting us yesterday.

Looking at the PFF grades so far this season, our Dline/Oline are atrocious and not even backup numbers. Most everyone of them are in the "replaceable" category. Thats a problem. Watching bad teams gouge us up the middle tells you our Dline aren't doing the job and the linebackers aren't doing much better. But I think the linebackers could be a lot better if they weren't constantly having to shed blocks because the dline can't get off the ball. The only one on D that consistently makes plays in the run game is Delpit. But he's so bad in everything else, I don't know how they keep him out there.

I agree .. our blitzing is atrocious. We are so predictable and teams use it against us

Great teams find a way to win. Terrible teams find a way to lose!

I had a saying when coaching baseball. "You play like you practice".



Now that in season, practice has to be scaled back. We are getting what we deserve. The players are playing like they practiced.

I agree. Practice is NOT overrated like some people believe. It creates habits and allows you to play more freely/correctly if your mind and brain are more prepared