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I think our FO, KS and other coaches were so determined and desperate to get rid of Baker that they made the trade in haste. I didn’t care for the trade when it happened because of the baggage but I did feel DW was a better QB. I’m not so sure now.

Stefanksi has zero authority to make any trades. I believe he wanted a different QB due to the obvious clash between the two. But beyond that any decision to bring watson here was far above and beyond his pay grade.

I think all 3 were on board with bringing in Watson. I think Stefanski thought that Watson had enough innate talent to execute his offense (maybe with some tweaks). I think Berry's analytics showed that having a QB with the stat sheet Watson had was a slam dunk. I think Haslam just wants to get the team winning games.

NFL sometimes stands for Not For Long. Once they decided Baker wasn't it, they felt some desperation to make something happen, and having a Watson come available was viewed as a once-in-a-lifetime thing.

All of those ^ conclusions by the FO+ have proven to be wrong. These guys are paid to get these decisions correct...luck surely comes into play...but that applies to every team. The QB they moved TO couldn't be a lesser fit for KS' offense if you built him with AI. One-read-and-run QB who sat out a year because he didn't get the HC & FO he wanted AND committed numerous sexual offenses. For a moment...forget Baker...forget the draft picks...forget the $$$...forget ALL of that...Watson was NEVER the right QB for this team or its HC.

They are MUCH worse at QB than they were at the end of the 2021 season. The lack of Rd 1+ picks has left this team a little old, a lot banged-up and with precious little young (& cheap) players to be backups and/or to develop. Next up will be the salary cap that WAS manageable until you realize that the cap-stretching QB is a bust and the most valuable trade assets in a re-build/re-tool can't be moved due to their contracts and the structure of those contracts. Staring down the barrel of 6-7-8 win seasons that will be juuuuuuust enough to ace us out of the draft pick(s) needed to find a new QB.

Imagine if AB+ did all that ^ and DIDN'T have Haslam's $$$ to throw around like penny-candy.

We are in luck. The Browns will not eclipse 5 wins this season.

Lot of good college quarterbacks coming out as well.

I think in a lot of instances dropped passes can be a function of a poorly run and executed, out of rhythm offense.

In other words, and I’m not saying you’re trying to say the opposite here, but because Watson is so bad and the offense has no identity or flow, when a good or great pass is made the receiver either isn’t expecting it, is out of rhythm, is currently frustrated with the way things are going, or any number of reasons.

It’s very similar to OL play. 70-80% of what appears to be poor OL in the NFL is really bad QB play. That’s the QB not knowing what to do with the ball presnap and everything afterwards.

I get that a receivers job is to catch the ball no matter what. But I would also put money that had the QB play been better the Browns wouldn’t be leading this list.

I was just about to comment on that ^ exact point(s). You hear people talk about throwing a "catchable ball". I think that is all the things you mentioned above AND the spin on the ball itself. DWs passes are usually wobbly...you can actually see the wobble on the TV screen...that messes with the timing as well as the ball isn't moving as fast as it otherwise would/should. The ball comes off Watson's hand in an odd way too.

That said...these guys are pros and should catch a ball that gets to them.

good news on Nick ... I don't expect much from him initially but it will be good to see him on the field

I'm not one to shy away from criticizing Watson, but there have been some BRUTAL drops so far. The one that hit Tillman in the chest that helped ice the game for the Giants, and then the one today that hit Cooper that he popped up in the air for the INT. Watson is contributing, but our WRs have been TERRIBLE.

I agree. Watson wasn't the problem at all today. He played his best game IMO .. the Cooper drop was really so bad

How many drops did receivers have last year when Flacco was throwing to them?

While true, I am confident he had input. There is little doubt that Stefanski and Baker had differing opinions that clashed. Had there not been that divide, I doubt the trade would have happened. Baker was as much responsible for the trade as anybody else.

There's a lot we don't know and can only speculate on --- but I believe you are 100% dead nuts on with this simple summation of the KS/Baker part of the process and decision.

I'm sure they asked Stefanski if watson would be a suitable replacement and if he felt he could work with and win with watson. I have no doubt he said that he could. But there is nothing in Stefanski's resume or experience that would indiacte he had any more input than that.

Can't disagree with that.

To opposing defenses

I think it's important that he plays the 2nd half of the year. Ease him into it and then have another full offseason to really go back to his typical training.

He might be able to have 1-2 more good seasons IMO ... he's of the Derrick Henry type of freak where their career might be a bit longer than most

Nick Chubb SZN

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-news-roundup-latest-league-updates-from-tuesday-oct-1



He can be reinstated 10/7

Any way we can get Devante Adams?

And keep Coop?

I was thinking maybe KC makes a desperate trade for Coop, and that gives us some more resources to get Adams if necessary.i can’t see them doing a trade directly win the raiders.

Or would the Raiders want Coop directly? I think we could end up with Adams but I think it will be a steep ask from them.

We are Number One!

He came and went so fast his 1st cup of coffee is still warm.

And he was awful .. fumbled the kickoff return, and ran like 5 MPH

Next up

Nyheim Hines

Yeah it sounds like Hines is close to returning

At this point cooper is irrelevant. If we can find a sucker to take his contract based on his performance this year then we need to grab the first chance. But If KC needs a wr, they are more likely to go after Adams now instead of cooper. I think I read LAS is asking for a 2nd plus something else, probably another player

WE need OL help not WR help

Coop isn't irrelevant if we bundle him for Adams, which is my guess we would need to do.

And the hits keep coming. Unreal. Wright was starting to come into his own. Big bodied athletic dude tapping into his potential… then this.

Looks like Hall’s suspension is coming to a close. Maybe next weekend we can at least start seeing if he can play at the NFL level.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...olating-the-personal-conduct-policy.html

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-activate-g-michael-dunn-and-place-de-alex-wright-on-ir

looks like dunn will be praticing