DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2024 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 14 Bengals 21 Postgame Thoughts

- Watson has likely played his last down for us (or anyone). Didn't want it to end with such a bad injury. Hoping he fully recovers and finds mental peace

- Our ST's were the worst I can remember. Really bad

- Our defense played well ... until they didn't. Newsome is a bad player and teams pick on him quite often

- It was good to see Chubb back out there and score

Some of Stefanski’s play calls are hard to stomach.

I would like to see Winston start the next few games instead of DTR. Just felt more confident with him back there.

Yes, it was great seeing Nick Chubb back.

Special teams, coaching, and penalties lost us this game, in that order

Browns fans a majority of them at the game are void
Of class. Watson was cheered as he left the field on that cart
The guy is human. He doesn't deserve that

The run blocking was non existent today.
The Bengals dline had their way with the Browns oline

Stefanski coached like a desperate coach today

The season is over. Berry needs replaced

I bet at least some of "his women" would argue that he is a monster and does deserve all that and more

- Sloppy. Undisciplined. Poorly coached. Poorly executed. Lackluster effort. Your 2024 Cleveland Browns.

- Watson missed a wide open Jeudy and Tillman for what would have been early TDs in the game had he read the field. Instead he checked down to Chubb on both occasions.

- The inexcusable lack of discipline falls squarely on Stefanski. Players need to be held accountable. They clearly are not.

- The Browns had three rushing attempts in the second half. Mind boggling.

- 10 penalties. The Browns offense leads the NFL in penalties.

- The Browns defense held the Bengals offense to 14 points, 2-13 on 3rd downs and again, it's still not enough to even be competitive.

- Jedrick Wills has no sense of pride and is just going through the motions out on the field.

- Hopkins has the yips.

- Great to see Chubb get a TD.

- This team is a long ways from being competitive. Several units need completely overhauled and this team has zero young talent due to lack of draft picks.

- Let DTR finish out the season if he's healthy, there's no point in starting Winston. Winston was brought in to be nothing more than Watson's hype man.

- I cannot even fathom how bad the mood is in the locker room.

- It's too early to say with certainty, but I have a sinking feeling Haslam will have Watson trotted back out there at some point next year once healthy.

Cheers: All the fans that that can manage to sit through a Browns game from beginning to end.
Jeers: Kevin Stefanski. Not smart. Not tough. Not. accountable

The Cavs opener is in three days.

You took that the wrong way. The fans stood and cheered, as all fans across the NFL do, when is player is carted off after a really bad injury.

That's pretty much my view, the guy is a sex offender.

He still has a pretty good life for one even if his career is over, it could be worse for him. He could be in prison where they really don't get treated well. He should consider himself very lucky.

You hit everything on the head... Agree with it all other than being ambivalent over who the starting QB is as neither is the answer. I guess seeing DTR could confirm that for us.

Berry and KS need to go.

I can't stand Watson and have always said from Day 1 that was was a square peg trying to be force fit into a round hole in Cleveland. He never wanted to be here and he glory days were way behind him. Without a doubt the absolute worst trade in NFL HISTORY, with no debate. That being said, I genuinely hated seeing him go down like that. Watching the slo mo replay was disturbing
I truly feel bad for him as a person.

No reason to go out and get Winston to have him 3rd string. DTR is an average QB with limited experience. He had a very small frame and it prone to injury. Regardless, the Browns are once again in QB hell at no fault but their own. I would fire every Offensive coach we hired this year tonight starting with the O-line coaches and Bubba Ventrone.

Jeudy is the new Cooper. Doesn't want to be here and his demeanor and game play show it. The Browns Offense is worse than the 0-16 Offense after making the playoffs last year. Absolutely disgusting.

Hope dw saved up some money as he's probably done for - well, def. done for the year - but possibly his career.

Hope he has the money, and the mental ability, to deal with the stress, emotions, and everything else.

I would never wish a career, or even season ending injury on anyone.

I found it odd, however, that DTR was actually able to find open receiver's more than 5 yards down field. Haven't seen that this year. Was DTR great? Nope. Perhaps getting some real practice reps will help that. We should give him the dw treatment: He was rusty.

Karma. It'll bite you.

Good to see Chubb back. Not a stellar day for him, but man, it's been over a year since he played. Glad they didn't over use him, and glad he got a t.d.

Addition by subtraction?

3 years. 18 games. 230,000,000.

Sure, the suspension. Then the injury. Now this injury. But in the precious few games of the dw era in Cleveland, he stunk it up.

Happiest moments of a boat owners life: The day he bought it, and the day he sold it.

Jimmy can't sell dw, though.

sounds like Moore was late or being a jerk

That's what I see. I have never, ever seen or heard of an OG being called for offside (lining up in the neutral zone). It may have been a 'ticky-tacky' call but even so, it was absolutely inexcusable.

Watson going down with an achilles was brutal and I’m sorry for his pain/injury. That said, I didn’t think we looked much better with DTR, it’ll be interesting to see who they trot out next week. Can Winston bring a ‘Joe’ type spark and win some games? Should we play DTR for the experience and let him take his lumps this season, to see if he can start nest year? I can’t imagine them putting Watson back in next year, if he returns. Honestly, I hope the league goes forward with some sort of punishment that allows us to get out of the DW contract. Not even sure it matters with this Owner and FO. I’ve lost confidence in all of them at this point.

Glad I decided to be done feeling the Browns sadness last week, Going to keep watching but I’ll be rooting on Baker and the Bucs for the duration of this season. I still ride with 6 whenever I can. Maybe they’ll go get OUR Super Bowl. It’s obvious we won’t whiff a super bowl with this owner.

At this point, its time for a rebuild.. Depo/Berry haven't taken this roster and turned it into one of the least talented groups ever assembled, KS is not a good coach who can develop anyone into serviceable. He needs a ton a talent that he can under use while still getting enough wins to make people think he's good. He is not. There should not be a single player safe from a fire sale except chubb. He can stay as long as he wants to. But it doesn't matter who we trot out at QB, we will finish 1-16. I'd be 100% Ok with the letting KS go tonight and let vrabel take over for some try before you buy. We've had long enough to see that things aren't going to change. There is no leadership anywhere in the organization or on the field.

We looked dumber than gravel today on offense. We hurt them with some runs that weren't Ski up the middle again calls. Very low number of runs in the second half. Passing was short and sideways for short gains. We got better when Watson left with injury. Might well be end of season if Achilles.
Our special teams sucked today. Placekicker shopping again? How patient do you need to be with the yips?How many game changers do you miss out on. The booth today carried on how incredible and unstoppable the Bangles were, how Burrow was best in NFL with Chase, and this nonsense went on all day. They won by one touchdown, produced on a floor caused by bad tackling, lousy ST play, and a poor attitude.
Our OL killed us. Lousy blocking, stupid penalties for formation, shift, offsides, and more. How is that better coaching going? Saw some quit today. Trade deadline is coming soon. We could cure some of the half-assery stuff and still be tanking for one or two, I suspect. We made a so-so team look like world beaters.
We need a "stadium nazi" like the "soup nazi" in Steinfeld. "No Dome for you until you fix this first!"

lol.. yeah.. DTR found all kinds of people downfield...lol.. some people are going to hate regardless but just for fun:
Att Cmp Yds YPA TD Int Lg Sack Loss Rate

Dorian Thompson-Robinson 24 11 82 3.4 0 2 16 1 3 19.8
Deshaun Watson 17 15 128 7.5 0 0 21 2 13 98.0

yeah DTR sure went down the field more than 5 yards.. oh wait..he actually didn't.. I get it DW bad, anyone else=good.. But as KS said, DW gave them the best chance to win.. and it was true, today just proved it goes WAAAY beyond a QB that's wrong with this team

You are a negative poster, constantly. Keep that in mind.

If dw gave us the best chance to win - look where we are.

Some people will stand behind $230 million dollars for 18 games total over 3 years, with another 2 years due. Other people will see dw's performance thus far for what it's worth: A wooden nickel.

He's getting his money, which may be all he wanted, I don't know. But, there's a team involved. And dw has stunk thus far. Period. He'll possibly miss most of next year. I can't expect he'll play much next year at all.

He's no Chubb. I can see hanging with Chubb based on his past performance. Dw? No. He'll get his money, and he's already set this team back ............a decade?

Would you be happy as a WR on the worst Offense in the NFL?

no, I'm just realistic. So DW, just playing to get his money.. still the best option because the rest of the QB's and offense suck. SO yeah. Not sure what chubb has to do with anything. You're right theres a team involved.. they ALL SUCK.. the qb hasn't mattered, the RB hasn't mattered.. bottom line is there is something systematically wrong with this team, to put that blame at any one thing is obtuse. I'm not saying Watson has been good this year, I'm saying he was still our best QB, thats an issue with Berry/Depo.. they created this mess. They've also failed to bring any semblance of talent or depth.. KS has made blunder after blunder as a HC/OC.. Dickerson is complete trash and has set this Oline back to 99. So yeah.. you say if DW gave us the best chance, look where we are.. yeah.. we are losing regardless who the QB is on this team.. thats my point.. But you saying that DTR was better made me laugh, so I had to point out it was wishful thinking.

This game pretty much puts the nail in the coffin, as far as playoffs are concerned. All we have left to play for (outside of professional and personal pride) is draft position in the top 5....

Good news: Amare had 66 yards and a td in a win today for Buffalo.

Although it was pretty much trash time. I want Winston starting. I think he sees the field better than DTR, and he goes downfield with it. Conklin out again, talk about a waste of money.

The defense can't tackle. And many of the guys missing these tackles were good tacklers in the past. Other than that, they did their job.

I have grown so used to this movie, it doesn't even upset me anymore. They play good one year, now they will suck for 5. Then it will all start over. Factory of Sadness, is an understatement

Yea.. everyone thought Watson was the sole problem.. NOT!!!.. That Oline has been crap all season and it was on full display!!.. Jed is the worse!!.. Bitonio got pushed all over field today!!..

Garret, Newsome and Winston all chirping back at the fans re: the Watson injury.

Players and fans fighting. This is going to end so poorly. Fans will be actively rooting against this team at the stadium before too long

This team is so incredibly unlikable. I've mentioned it previously, but I've never felt the city and it's fans have such disdain and contempt for a team as they do this current Browns team.

Watson is done in Cleveland (hopefully). Berry can be let go. Stefanski can be let go. Dorsey can be let go. Vrabel is our guy. Schwartz is fine. Get me a GM. Get me an OC. Let's see what DTR has for the rest of the season. Need a lot so it will take a few drafts to get back up to speed unless our new GM is a genius. It was great to see Chubb on the field and in the end zone. I feel like at least the team is watchable now that Watson is off the field. Everyone here knows that the Browns had ZERO chance to win with him on the field. He should be happy. He has all the money he will EVER need in life. He no longer has to subject himself to a weekly beating in the NFL nor does he have to listen to people complaining about how bad he is. Fade into the sunset and go live your life DW. If anything good came from this deal, I hope that Haslam learned a lesson and better understands his role as an owner. It's going to be a long year and I won't mind one bit if the Browns are close all year and go 1-16. They need to maximize their draft position for 2025.

There just isn't much to play for at all. This team needs blown up and we don't have any rookies/1st year players to make us excited

Kevin Stefanski - casually talks with his friends after another loss.

Zero accountability. No answers. Only empty words…

its tiresome

At what point does Jimmy or Berry address the people who are paying for this crap?

Remember the days of Steeler fans occupying 80% of our stadium? Well, those days are back.

I just can’t help but ask the question WTH WERE YOU THINKING WITH THIS TRADE JIMMY AND ANDREW?!!!!

I don't like the thought of watching DTR play out the year . It looks like the game is to big for him . I also would prefer Winston .

He’s a 5th round pick for a reason. And Jameis is a backup for a reason. This is an absolute abuse of a fanbase. If Flacco were still our qb, we’d be, at worst, 4-3. These bleepers have zero problem taking our money and then handing us this pile of crap.

Hunt looks good in KC.Makes me wonder who the talent evaluator is that decided those bums they marched out there was a better option.
Watching these teams,I was going to post that the browns aren't even in the same stratosphere as they are,but it's way more universal.
We have become so comfortable with rebuilds that every one of us can feel one coming,and it's time.

Could we get a first and a second for Myles? He’s a freak and he’s been a beast for us, but we can go 1-7 without him. I would think Detroit would be interested.

That sounds good, but it isn't true. Some players get worse, many stay exactly the same. We only hope they get better.

That said, we might as well play him to prove out what most already know, or at least feel pretty sure, he isn't the future.

Cooper 4 rec 66yds 1 TD
Hunt 22 carries 78yds 2 TD.

Man, these guys we let go are washed up.

I've seen enough, I want someone who can push the ball downfield and he ain't it.

At least Winston gives us that.

I agree DTR does not have what it takes to be a franchise QB in the NFL. I prefer to watch Winston- under center the remainder of the year.

Man how times have changed
If this was 10 years ago guys like Eotab would be
Saying how the Browns can still make the playoffs

We aren't mathematically eliminated yet, let's go Browns!

I understand the thinking:
1. Our division has Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, and Baker was coming off an injury plagued season. needed someone to beat them consistently
2. Our conference has Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes, playoffs go thru them as of late
3. Franchise QBs almost NEVER become available, especially in their prime. I never agreed with the size and guarantees of the contract.

The D again kept us in the game but we did little on O.

the mental mistakes keep killing us with the pre-snap penalties. It’s almost laughable now, how brain-dead-like some of the guys on offence are.

Can we not get the illegal formation problem fixed?

Watson is out for a long, long time. Sadly the ironic thing - one of them - is that Watson looked good on his final drive.

At least Winston will throw the damn ball downfield, even DTR has willingness to Chuck it, even if most times it’s in-effective. Tillman caught some balls, Njoku looked good, Wills didn’t. OMF he looks soft.

We need to draft a QB, that’s obvious.

Loved seeing Nick Chubb return and barrel in for a TD!

DTR is 95% NOT the guy. I'm not ready to say 100% yet, but he didn't look good today.

I'd think about starting him the next two games with full weeks of practice

No disagreement there. Like I said, we might as well play him. It's not like we will go on some miraculous win streak and squeeze in to the playoffs.

I would prefer that as well, but we know that Winston isn't the future.

Some seem to think that DTR is, Berry included. We might as well just play the guy and dispel that notion rather than dork around with DTR for a few years, assuming Berry doesn't do that anyway. I think Berry is showing signs of being like Butch Davis in allowing his ego to interfere with making sound football decisions. Harris seems to keep finding his way back on the team.

Yeah if Berry thinks he does, well that should tell you all we need to know about DTR.. Berry has zero talent evaluation ability. Does everyone remember in 2018. We just signed Carlos Hyde in FA, then Dorsey Drafted Chubb. Hue wouldn't give Chubb reps despite him obviously being the better back. So what does Dorsey do, gets rid of Hyde so Hue had no choice. Solved the problem when he knew the coach was holding the team back by playing the wrong person even though that player was brought in as a veteran and had a decent career to that point. Flash forward to this year. Berry because of his idiocy, created a problem he couldn't solve.. If everyone truly believed that DW wasn't the best choice, and the better choice was on the roster, why wasn't he playing.. Thats my issue. Someone's contract should not be a consideration when taking into consideration a players abilities to help the team. So either DW was the consensus best option or something came from higher. I think its the former. I think we saw that today and we will see that with winston. QB is just a small part of the overall issues.

But to DTR, he looks like every project QB we've ever had. There is not a single thing special about him. He's basically a skinny Kizer. He's also reckless with his body and won't ever survive long enough to get an extended look at him, especially behind this line. Atleast Winston has had some success in the league and can run an NFL offense. He will be the true litmus of where the problems lie. The thing about winston is he will wow one second with a deep ball, then throw 3 straight picks after that.. thats who he is.

2-15.
Well beat New Orleans.

My post game thought was… I think I’m done. My ambivalence about this team is at an all time high, my care at an all time low. I was not so low key rooting for the Beagles today. It actually makes it better now that DW is out of the picture. Does it make me a bad person that I hope permanently? I dont know. But I’ve grappled with being able to root for the browns ever since they went after DW. Like watching your ex, who you always had a lot of respect for, hook with the biggest scum bag you know. I think today it just dawned on me that I’m done. The first thing I saw today when I turned on the TV was Coop scoring for the Bills and I thought good for him. I finally made my way to the Browns game and I felt nothing. Like, they’re the Washington generals all over again. No one should ever be rooting for the Washington generals, least of all me.

Peace out y’all. ✌️ it’s been real.

The rest of the season will be a tryout for who is the first player drafted, and who will remain on the team.

The OL does not look good.

The Watson injury may free up some cap space but it will be ugly for a while.

I am done for a while. Wake me up when it is over.

My tag line was posted after week one. Still feel the same.

Your continued animosity and fixation with Eo says everything about you and nothing about a much beloved and missed Browns fan.

Pretty sure I have seen No-one say DW was the only problem. The problem is a lack of talent nearly every position, the head coach, the offense - and then DW is also a part of the problem because he has played like a bottom 6-7 QB int he NFL since he came to Cleveland. Calling out DW for being crap since he signed as a Brown doesn't mean the rest of the team is good - it means DW is has been bad. He's played 2 (really) good games as a Brown.

100%.

It's why Berry and KS need to go. We'd also be better off if Strong had been starting RB all season. We'd be better if Wills was never drafted, of had been a back up. We'd be better off without Moore. 🤮

CONGRATULATIONS TO CHUBB!!!
Bad blocking, no lanes and so his knee got a good physical workout!

I too would like to see DTR get a few gates under his belt as a 1.
At least we will see if he actually can play.

BUT, and trust me I am not a glass half full guy, take away that opening Special Teams Gaff, it would have gone into overtime.
Field Goal or Extra Point good and.......

I have actually started watching College Ball more than NFL..... it's MUCH better w/ the Portal!

if Flacco was our QB, we would:

- DAL - L
- at JAX - W
- NYG - W
- at LV - W
- at WAS - L
- at PHI - W
- CIN - W


just my opinion

we are definitely years away. Think about how many positions we need to fill/upgrade with limited resources.

at minimum we need 3 starting OL, a viable QB, a #1 WR, RB, addressing the front 7 ... without much cap space and just a normal amount of picks

Not to mention we are playing in a division with Lamar, Burrow, and the Steelers .. in a conference with Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Stroud

What? I thought this was our Super Bowl window! LOL

I'm not one to cheer for a players injury... I didn't want Watson, but I didn't want him injured either. So I can't feel good about the fans at the game yesterday that cheered his injury. That sucked.,

Funny also because he wasn't playing horribly either. That was, up to that point, one of his better games in a Browns Uniform.


Very happy to see Chubb out there. Man it was a nice TD. What a man he is. Great Player and a Great Guy.

If only the rest of those guy and Coaches did their jobs, we'd have something.

It feels awful to say this, but it almost feels like we are playing to get the first pick in the draft. This just isn't a very good team.

Very disappointed.

yesterday was kind of an epitome of our franchise:

We welcome Chubb back!! ... and the Bengals promptly return the opening kickoff for a TD

Chubb scores!! ... and we promptly miss the XP

Watson is playing decent!! ... and he ends his career


I felt for him sitting on the cart. I will never want anyone in that spot.

I didn't watch or even listen to much yesterday. I kept track of the game as I was running errands by radio or quick Espn checks. I didn't not follow the game because I am angry at ownership, FO, coaches or players. It is just painful to watch this season go down the drain.

Some of you "younger" fans may not realize, and the older ones may, but being in my early/mid-60s and following the Browns since 1969, the days of Kelly, Nelson, Warfield, Walter Johnson and Milt Morin, I have been saying wait until next year for what seems like forever. Losses hurt too much anymore.

IN my younger days, a Browns loss almost literally ruined my week. A big win and it could make a week amazing. 2020 season got me through Covid. I was nearly in tears in 1986 when Brian Brennan caught the long touchdown from Kosar and then Mosely had his kick downed at the 2.

I am never going to quit being optimistic and my hope stem from bad teams that have turned it around quickly. Some of you will find it hard to believe that I haven't lost confidence in the FO or staff. I also support all current players on the team.

On top of that I hate, hate, hate the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens, in that order.

Sorry just wanted to rant.

Bone I agree with your statement wholeheartedly. DW playing well would have taken the heat off of him and everyone would be happy and talking about that. Playing lousy would have the results we have. I agree he was trying to do the best he could.

Agreed. He is injured far too much to put any trust in him as a player or a leader. He just hasn't been available to be on the field enough to make him a viable QB. Time to move on. I just don't know that we can trust that he will ever be able to finish a season uninjured. I won't get in to his performance because an awful lot of that has to do with him being injured, especially last season. Players get hurt. But a starting QB who racks up the injury track record he's got in Cleveland just isn't worth it. He was willing to play hurt. That playing hurt didn't exactly make him a better player. We rolled the dice and lost.

That's easy for me to say because he isn't burning a gigantic hole in my wallet. Ownership probably feels a bit differently.

Yesterday made things as obvious as they can be. I hate that watson's season ended the way it did. Sadly that seems to be the only way anyone else got a shot.

We then got to see DTR yuck it up by throwing two int's. The Browns went through 2 QB's while the O compiled a grand total of 6 points.

Finally we got a glimpse of watching the best QB on the Browns roster get his shot. He threw a td. pass to Njoku and placed it in a location that only Njoku had a chance to catch that ball. Then another perfect strike to Tillman for the 2 point conversion. Tillman had one really bad drop but otherwise he stepped up well for a third round WR. So Winston accounted for 8 points in very limited action. That should address any questions people had about who the best QB to start would be at this time, if winning games this season is the actual goal.

So there are two courses of action this team could take and which course they choose seems obvious as to their intent. I understand that people may differ on which course they think is best but the message moving forward will be obvious.

You either continue to start DTR to see if or how he develops over the course of the season to help answer the question if he will be what you want and have as a competent back-up QB moving forward into next season. You look toward the future and do not concern yourself with winning games this season. At 1-6 you're not going to make the playoffs or do anything significant this season anyway.

Or you start Winston in order to the put the best QB on the field that gives your team the best opportunity to win.

The choice is clear and which way they move forward should tell people all they need to know.

In the end both Tillman and the D did well overall. Sadly the Browns insisted on playing 2 QB's that could only muster 6 points on the board for well over 3 quarters of the game. Then with no other choice they were forced to play a QB that could.

And I think that's part of what I was saying. You either try to put your self in the best position going into next year or you try to win games this year. I think who they keep as the starting QB will tell us their strategy in terms of answering that question.

I think we should stay with DTR. We aren't going to win more than a handful of games regardless. If our staff thinks that there's even a 1% chance that he's a viable QB of the future, then we gotta at least find out.

He's probably not. But playing Winston is basically like paying rent.

Not playing Winston is like refusing to live in a house you already paid the full lease on. Playing Winston doesn't cost a dime more one way or the other.

DTR isn't s future starter in the NFL. He may prove to be a decent backup but if yesterday didn't tell you anything I wish you luck. He was nothing more than a 5th round flyer in the draft. Let me guess, "Yeah but what about Tom Brady?"

Hopkins attempt to tackle Jones on the kickoff TD really encapsulates this whole franchise.


**In that game, the kicker went all out to try and chase down Texans RB Dameon Pierce on a 98-kick return TD. Hopkins injured his hamstring and was unable to play in Cleveland’s final two regular-season games or their wild card loss to the Texans.

“Absolutely, yeah. No, I thought about it,” Hopkins said. “And so it was a mix of, I wasn’t trying to — I didn’t want him to have an angle to get past me. I knew I probably wasn’t going to chase him down like Houston and just put myself at risk.

“So I just tried to honestly slow his angle down a little bit so hopefully one of my guys could catch up and then kind of make a go. And then if he got past me, I was just going to not chase.”**

Hahahah wow

What about Spergon Wynn?

Yes he was, and is. Although I never met him, we were 'friends', corresponding often, and I miss him to this day.

I'd take him over Brady anyway. At least on April 16,2000.

Get with the times. The correct phrasing would be:
Let me guess, "Yeah but what about Brock Purdy?"

Ugg….. is all I have.

And it pretty much sums it up.

We must be twin siblings from different mothers. My first in person NFL game was the first meeting of the Broncos and Browns in Mile High Stadium (1970). Don Cockroft kicked a go ahead FG and the Browns went on to win. My Army Dad and I were the only ones in the top of the "shoe" that day cheering Bill Nelson and Paul Warfield to victory. The 80's brought joy and agony; you are right, we lived and died Sunday-to-Sunday. I don't know that I have the same optimism about the FO and Ownership; it used to be good organizations did what it took to win games, and this Owner/Coach can't get past their own egos. Alas, being a Browns fan is in our DNA and we're afflicted with all that comes with.

Go Browns.

DTR is a career backup. The only hope we have is that we can refine the offense around Winston in less than a week.

I’m hoping he’s the new Joe. At least Winston will throw the ball. And considering the plodding, can’t get first downs offence we’ve displayed every Sunday, it might, at least, be fun. Chuck it to Tillman and Njoku, give our D reason to fight.

DTR, most likely, isn't even that. He's a guy that, in all likelihood, won't be on a team within three years. We're almost certainly done kicking the tires on him after this year. He *might* get a look in camps from another team or two over the following two offseasons, but I don't see him being around beyond that.

The short version is that he is a dime-a-dozen kind of player and every team is bringing in new versions of him every year.

More than that, I'm hoping we go back to the offense Flacco was running. Running ball more (especially as Chubb gets back his strength and conditioning), and using play-action.

Right. If we had a guy who could throw the ball downfield and execute, it also opens up the run game.

JFC, I can’t believe how we’ve botched the QB situation

Always thought DTR needed to bulk up to take the abuse QB's get. I've liked his ability to move well and his accuracy in a few games last year was impressive but he is injury prone. In the past year he's had a shoulder injury, head injury, Hip injury, and this last game a finger injury. I doubt he can play three full games without getting hurt.