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Well, Detroit has John Dorsey and his Freddie Kitchens-Clone, Dan Campbell at 10-1 and headed to the Superbowl. Meanwhile, we’ve got our 3 Ivy League d-bags and are at 3-8.
Denver 42- Ivy League jerks 10.
Fun times.

Excellent post.

Denver has a pretty good D but their O is thoroughly average, especially in the red zone. We always struggle in Denver but I think Winston has helped everyone get their confidence back, on both sides of the ball.

We need Myles to have another monster game.

Might be the homer in me, but I’m smelling an upset.

Cool. If Myles has 2+ sacks, and Jameis tosses 2 tds, we win.
ON TO 4-8 WE GO!

Bo Nix is playing well right now and we don't play well there. It will be another loss, and we need to lose to better our draft pick so it's ok.

hate to say it but winning any game from here on out only hurts us long term. The rest of the season should be extended training camp and figure out who's going to be doing what next season.

I don’t go through a season hoping we lose every week. Maybe at the very end, but not when we have a heartbeat. Besides, half the board doesn’t trust the FO to draft well, so why should they worry about how high we might be picking?

Would you have been happier if we lost to the Steelers on TNF? If so, I don’t want you beside me in the trenches.

It’s a mediocre QB class, from what I’ve been reading, Jameis is our QB next season.

I'll be hoping for a win, don't get me wrong and I'm hoping Winston does well I like the guy.

I'm still a fan, all be it a disgruntled one who sold all my season tickets lol.

I just don't see it and I'm prepared for the worst.

Oh I get it psyde, I’m frustrated too. It ain’t easy and like a fellow NFL fan used to tell me all the time, expect the worst and you won’t be disappointed.

Dorsey? Seriously ? HIS coach clone?

Dorsey is not listed in Detroit's 17 member executive management team (per the Lions' website)

He's also not even mentioned in the Lion's 5 executive assistance.


He is however, 3rd in line in the player personal dept.

You're stretching giving him credit for the coaches 10-1 record.

you must not be from around here.. talk to Lions fans, listen to detroit media they'll tell you two of things led to their winning, bringing in Dorsey and hiring of Campbell. Dorsey has built championship/playoff teams at every stop. right now 2 teams he had a hand in building have 2 losses on the year combined. I don't get the dorsey hate.. dude was the best GM we've had since the rebirth. He should have been allowed to complete it here. Dorsey is easily top 5 in the nfl at talent acquisition, especially in the draft. His issue was always the other stuff, which is why he left, Haslam wanted to keep him as Director of player personnel and bring in a GM to handle the contract stuff. Dorsey as a scout is about as good as it gets. People forget he was Packers Draft Director from 2000-2011, he was part of it when the drafted Aaron Rodgers, Clay mathews, and Greg Jennings among others.

LOL...the training camp we never had, right?

Nix is playing well. I expected he would. He got ripped by many but I thought he was going to be a solid pro.

So Dorsey is God's gift to talent eval, but he he's nothing more than a consultant.

He went to Detroit and was so integral to what they're building that... they went out and hired someone else for the main job a couple years later.



I also miss his drafting, but he made it clear on his exit that him staying here was all-or-nothing, and his time here was an unmitigated disaster.

LOL - The Doof. Fired at every GM position he ever held. Championship teams, my arse.

Wolf built those teams in GB. Brad Holmes built that team in Detroit - not The Doof. Reid and Veach built that team in KC- right Veach made them draft Mahomes - not The Doof - fired shortly thereafter.

The Doof brought you Mayfield instead of Allen. The known as OBJ, and Freddie K. Had a plethora of picks and pissed most of them away - Chubb and Ward, the only quality picks he made.

You play the game to win. If you're not going to play to win keep your azz off the field. There's no place for a losers mentality in football.

Mark the day on the calendar.

I'm sorry, but Freddie Kitchens is nothing like Dan Campbell

I can't imagine being as obtuse as you.. you are wrong in every single thing. but I don't expect someone as much a dimwit to actually research.. I'll give you a free one.. Ron wolf retired in 2001.. and one more free one.. Veach was a scout.. who did his job and provided info on mahommes, Dorsey is the one who was initially criticized for trading up to take Mahommes and not Watson. Plenty has been written about that, not to mention Kelce, Jones and Hill all picks.. Name a single player Berry has given us even half the worth of any of those

bahashahaa.. yeah disaster.. look at the roster he left and what we have now.,.. i'll wait..

meanwhile
https://www.detroitlions.com/team/front-office-roster/john-dorsey
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I take Dorsey over this FO every single time.. this staff has been an abortion.. not a single playmaker in 5 years

Name-calling isn’t very productive. Smarten the hell up.

Dorsey got ran out of KC. Look up why. He purposely had players infighting with each other. He evaluates talent well but manages them horribly. If he is such a genius, why is he so low on the executive totem pole. You would think some other team would jump at the chance to get such a talent. He didn't hire Campbell, and you are assuming all the other Lion BrainTrust just defer to JD's immense brilliance.

Browns were 13-18-1 when Dorsey was here.

Browns are 38-36 under AB/KS. That winning percentage of just over .500 is better than anything we've had since Schottenheimer (which is pathetic, but that's not the point). The point is the overall results have been significantly better after moving to the current regime. As I mentioned before, I also miss his drafting... if it were possible to just have his drafting and none of the other baggage then that would be perfect, but he made it clear during his exit that that wasn't possible.

Comparing overall win/loss ignores a lot of context (Dorsey took over a stripped-down roster while AB inherited an extremely talented Oline as well as other talent). But it also ignores all the extra nonsense that was going on (the OBJ saga that he brought here, Olivier Vernon, Kitchens).

I think this hits the nail on the head. Dorsey had his faults - the biggest of which and one for which I can never forgive him is that he appointed Freddie Kitchens as HC. Moronic. But Dorsey took over a chronically bad NFL Franchise and did okay. Berry took over a substancially better situation.

I'll be happy to see KS and Ab shown the door - I don't want Dorsey back and simply hope we somehow get lucky and get averagely competent people in place. I'd be delighted if they went with Mike Vrabel and let him pick his entire FO.

I don't want to give the wrong impression. I definitely understand why people miss Dorsey's drafting. I just don't get fiction that things were running smoothly and everything was pointing up during his time here. It wasn't (in spite of his drafting ability).

In fairness, in the 3 seasons before Dorsey, the Browns were a combined 4-44. Turning that around was nothing less than a miracle.

For me it's not so much that Dorsey was perfect. Far from it. But at the same time, I don't see anything "running smoothly" or anything "pointing up" right now. So I don't think those are solid points to make.

I think all it is, is a side by side comparison between the two regimes and more about which one we were better off with than it is about either one of them being anything close to perfect.

And while my opinion isn't any more valuable than anyone elses, I think AB did a better job of hiring a HC but hands down Dorsey was a better GM than AB is from a talent aspect. It's hard to win without the right talent and it's also hard to win with bad coaching.

Bottom line I think it's a case of pick your poison.

Why does education make you salty? I’ll never get the logical gymnastics it takes to want dumb people running things. It’s an enigma.