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An NFL GM has the responsibility of having the ability to hire the right supporting staff to make drafts successful. It's certainly not a job they accomplish on their own. It's the scouting department, the analytics department and those that break down how these draft picks talents and skill set will transfer to the pro game. So I don't think it's as simple as "They need more football guys". That certainly may be a part of it but the overall picture is much larger than that. Sadly sportswriters, and not just Grossi, aren't willing to take the time and put forth the effort to break it all down in depth. I'm not sure I blame them. The public at large has trouble taking the time or the effort to look at anything in depth. They want some quick, one size fits all answer because it's so easy for them to digest.

Duhhhhh Grossi

You cannot draft better when you give up all your draft choices in exchange for a QB that has more red flags than a Soviet military parade.

Just ask the Houston Texans/Browns how they have done of late....

Draft Better.... ha ha... you don't have the draft choices to draft better....

Anybody expecting the Browns to be a playoff team sooner than
Later better rethink such. This franchise continually makes front office
Decisions that is laughable and dumb .Haslam is the most inept owner
In the NFL

I did a search for "Cleveland Browns Mission Statement". AI got me to this:

The Cleveland Browns' mission statement is "Browns Be The Solution". The team's mission is to promote equity in the Northeast Ohio community through social justice efforts, and to have a positive impact in the following areas: Economic advancement, Police and community relations, and Criminal justice reform for the Black community.

"Browns be the solution" on the team website says this:

About Be The Solution

The entire Browns organization – coaches, players and front office members – are dedicated to having a meaningful impact in the social justice arena. After internal discussions and conversations with social justice and equity community leadership groups, the team identified the goal of championing equity in the Northeast Ohio community through intentional and measurable social justice efforts. ​

Launched in 2020 by GM Andrew Berry, Be the Solution aims to use the Cleveland Browns organization as an instrument for change regarding economic advancement, police and community relations and criminal justice reform for the Black community. The Cleveland Browns provide financial support to various organizations working to make change in the social justice space, including two Cleveland-based grassroots organizations, JumpStart Inc. and EDWINS Leadership and Restaurant Institute.


Maybe the FO is really good at that ^...because they suck at building a winning organization.

Between the GM, coaches and your scouting staff, you should be able to come up with a good plan and draft players that will succeed on your team. If you're still not sure everyone on the sports talk shows has an opinion especially on ESPN. Listen to their opinions. Mel Kiper and Adam Schefter are always on. It's not nuclear physics.

What percent of NFL Draft picks make it?
Having already been in the select 0.01% of the top 1.6% of the top 7.3% of the nation, the chosen players might be dismayed to learn that only 30% of those drafted will ever make it onto an NFL roster.Apr 25, 2024

That's for all y'all who seem to think most draft picks should make the roster, be starters, be all pro, or make the Hall Of Fame.

THE FACT is 70 percent of draft picks don't make it the first few years.

Correct but we almost never hit on our 1st round picks. Since 1999 we've only hit on maybe 4 of our 1st rounders and 2 or 3 of those years we had 2 1st round picks. That has to be as bad or probably worse than any other team in the league. I know the Jets are pretty bad too with their drafting.

AB's first 2 round picks

2020
round 1 Willis... BOO
round 2 Delpit... good pick

2021
round 1 Newsome good pick
round 2 JOK great pick

2022 we didn't have a pick in round 1 or 2
Emerson 3rd round good pick
Wright 3rd round jury still out

2023 once again no 1st or 2nd round pick
Tillman 3rd round jury is still out
IKA... BOO

2024 no 1st round pick again
2nd round Hall... Looks good if he can stay out of trouble
3rd round Zinter... will be a starter down the road.

The one argument I'd make is that I think we can all agree that the Browns are partially responsible for dragging that number down.

WRONG bro

since 2020 we have had 37 total draft picks
27 are still with the team
5 are with other teams
5 are out of football

84 percent of our draft picks since 2020 are still in the NFL

and that is WITHOUT us having
A 1st round pick in 3 of 5 years
a 2nd round pick in two of those years

This’s what years of mismanagement looks like.

I was more referring to the pre-AB years when we were drafting the Wimbley's and Brady Quinn's of the NFL.

I would agree with you on our
Picks before AB and Ski.

Check your bifocals bro. Did I ever say we have had great picks. No I didn't. 8.00

Have we seen improvement... yes.. just not enough for the complainers.


Now since 1999 when have we had a better front office that produced a better record that our current group.

2018 draft set the table for the Browns for the next few years...then the Harvard boys took over and claimed the results of John Dorsey's 2018 draft as their own draft success.

There isn't a QB on the roster that in any way qualifies as an actual NFL starer so at this point it doesn't really make any difference.

Agreed Pit but it makes sense to play DTR even though we pretty much know what he is.

wait, the goal isn't to have the most expensive and 5th oldest roster and be in cap hell and last in the division yet again? blasphemy

IMO it doesn't make sense to have to be starting any of them. That includes the injured starter if he were healthy. But it is what it is.

Stefanski has no choice but to start one of them. So *enter name here* makes as much sense as any other name.

As you stated, we pretty much know what he is. And as I see it that's just another warm body.

j/c…

I have a feeling we’ll see Zappe make a start before the season finally ends.

Good. If we can see if DTR can be part of the future or be done with this conversation entirely... I'm on board.

the Phones game was the most obvious flex game I've ever seen

psstt your digging yourself a deeper hole.

Sashi was the gm that set up all the picks for the 2018 draft. Now here is a list of just who we drafted in the 3 years before AB took over.


2019 2 Greedy Williams46 CB
2019 3 Sione Takitaki 80 LB
2019 4 Sheldrick Redwine119S
2019 5 Mack Wilson 155 LB
2019 5 Austin Seibert 170 K
2019 6 Drew Forbes 189 T
2019 7 Donnie Lewis 221 CB
Year Rnd Player
2018 1 Baker Mayfield 1 QB
2018 1 Denzel Ward 4 CB
2018 2 Austin Corbett 33 C
2018 2 Nick Chubb 35 RB
2018 3 Chad Thomas 67 DE
2018 4 Antonio Callaway105 WR
2018 6 Damion Ratley 175 WR
2018 6 Simeon Thomas 188 CB
Year Rnd Player
2017 1 Myles Garrett 1 DE
2017 1 Jabrill Peppers 25 S
2017 1 David Njoku 29 TE
2017 2 DeShone Kizer 52 QB
2017 3 Larry Ogunjobi 65 DT
2017 4 Howard Wilson 126 CB
2017 5 Roderick Johnson160 T
2017 6 Caleb Brantley 185 DT
2017 7 Zane Gonzalez 224 K
2017 7 Matthew Dayes 252 RB

Candy crush?

j/k... I know you meant "Phins" game.

Sione Takitaki being the gem from a draft is... something.

I liked Takitaki.

It’s time to bite the bullet and make a total cultural reboot of the whole FO.
You don’t have to be inside Berea to understand that this whole organization is on chaos.

Say one good decision that has been made the last 3-4 years. Maybe Jerry Jeudy but after that…?

Right now the Browns has zero pulling power except throwing money in a hope to find a gem at the second hand shop a few blocks away from the Main Street.
We can’t draft talents. We can’t keep talents. We don’t know how to develop talents. We don’t even know how to find them.

I know this sounds like a broken record but without a new GM you all can forget about 2025, 2026 and probably 2027.
I have hate against these IVY League guys in the FO because they refuse to listen to common sense or take any accountability.

I did too - he must have been injured? He only has 10 tackles on the season

I'll ask you a similar question that I asked another poster. If the FO isn't drafting or finding talent to begin with how can you expect the coaching staff to develop it? On one hand you say the Browns can't draft or find talent then claim it's also the coaching staffs fault for not developing the talent this FO is not providing them with?

I liked him too. Him being the best from his draft (as the pick from the third round) is my problem with that draft.

Yep.

Dorsey bragged about giving away the #1 for OBJ, then proceeded to do this:

Rnd Player
2 Greedy Williams
3 Sione Takitaki
4 Sheldrick Redwine
5 Mack Wilson
5 Austin Seibert
6 Drew Forbes
7 Donnie Lewis Jr.

#footballguy

We gotta get those guys! Ugh.

Cincinnati is one of the worst defenses in the NFL and just lost DE Sam Hubbard for the year. As of late, our OL has played pretty decently. So with all of that combined, I don't think DTR will play poorly. But crazier things have happened.

He will gave a good game and become the Franchise QB for a week.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/draft.htm
Some highlights (IIRC, ours was the 2nd NYG pick (#17) that year)

Dexter Lawrence - DT
Noah Fant - TE
Josh Jacobs - RB
Montez Sweat - DE
Deebo Samuel - WR

All for the privilege of being part of the OBJ drama.

To be fair... I just went through that draft and there isn't all that many "UGH WE COULDA HAD THAT GUY" moments.