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H.Con.Res. 14 (119th Congress) does not include provisions for “no tax on tips” or “no tax on overtime.” It’s a budget resolution setting fiscal targets, not a tax or labor law, and Trump’s proposals on tips (and unmentioned overtime) would require separate legislation.

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Speaker Mike Johnson pulled off a stunning turnaround Tuesday night to rescue a critical vote to advance President Donald Trump’s agenda that had seemed doomed just moments earlier.

Surprising even some of his critics, Johnson and his leadership team capped hours of drama in the Capitol by successfully flipping multiple Republican holdouts to pass a budget blueprint that will mark the first step toward moving Trump’s ambitious agenda forward. With help from last-minute phone calls from Trump, GOP leaders spent all of Tuesday in a furious pressure campaign to win backing for their plan.

“The world didn’t end today. But I do see the edge,” Rep. Pat Fallon, a Texas Republican, said of the whiplash in the House.

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Republicans had punted the vote Tuesday night only to turn around minutes later to call fleeing members back to the floor to muscle through the plan.

In the end, Johnson lost just a single vote — fiscal hawk Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky — which was all he could afford. The Democrats’ whip team scrambled to get near-full attendance on their side: Rep. Brittany Pettersen flew with her 4-week-old baby to make it in time for the vote and Rep. Kevin Mullin, who is recovering from complications from knee surgery, flew with an IV from California.


Democratic lawmaker brought her newborn son to vote against GOP proposal
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But the drama won’t end there: Johnson and his allies acknowledge that what comes next will be much more difficult. Tuesday night’s vote itself was procedural and GOP leaders from the House and Senate will need to agree on how exactly to move ahead with Trump’s sprawling legislative package now that they have adopted divergent plans. The days-long saga over the House budget blueprint laid bare bitter divisions among Republicans that will make it extraordinarily difficult to pass that package in both chambers.

Still, the win comes at a critical time for Trump and Johnson as their party faces crushing deadlines ahead, including avoiding a government shutdown next month and the threat of an economic default later this spring. As with Tuesday night’s vote, navigating those political landmines will require near total unity from the GOP.

(L-R:) Rep. Rich McCormick, Rep. Austin Scott and House Speaker Mike Johnson
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Republicans press House leadership for help as they face pressure over DOGE cuts at home

GOP leaders will now get to work on exactly what will make it into Trump’s first legislative package. The newly passed House GOP plan calls for sweeping tax cuts, steep spending cuts and a two-year debt limit hike, as well as new money for border security and energy production. The Senate’s plan, however, contains only national security and energy money, while punting on the more contentious items for later.

The stakes are high for GOP leaders: Trump is eager to pass his agenda as quickly as possible, even as party leaders must comply with the extremely strict constraints of the budget powers that allow their party to pass a package without Democratic votes. And Republicans will need to tread carefully on reforms to popular programs like Medicaid, food assistance and Pell grants — concerns that nearly sunk the budget plan this week.

The successful vote capped a dramatic 12 hours for Johnson. In the morning, he held a tense meeting with House Republicans to convince his members to back the budget blueprint or risk forgoing key parts of Trump’s agenda.

But by the afternoon, House GOP leaders were still struggling to lock down the votes, and even the relentlessly upbeat Johnson acknowledged he may need to pull it.

The votes weren’t there around 7:30 p.m., when the speaker moved to scrap plans to hold the vote at all. But then his leadership team — with help from a Trump call to Rep. Victoria Spartz — was able to win over the last holdouts. So, just moments after dismissing members, Johnson called them back to vote and passed the GOP’s budget blueprint.

Rep. Warren Davidson, an Ohio Republican, said he decided to change his vote after he received “assurances” of a future plan that could survive the Senate to trim discretionary spending, though he offered no specifics.

And Spartz added that she spoke with Trump on health care issues, saying, “He’s on board to get some great things done on health care. … I trust his word.”

“I think the last few weeks are showing us how difficult it is to move any package through the House,” Rep. Dusty Johnson, a leadership ally, acknowledged earlier Tuesday. “This is a motley crew.”

Hours before the scheduled vote, hardline conservatives insisted there weren’t enough spending cuts in the plan, even as centrist-leaning Republicans remained uneasy about the size of those cuts and whether they could impact popular programs like Medicaid. And Johnson’s efforts to win support even backfired in some corners. Massie said he left a meeting Tuesday morning even more dug in against the budget than before.

“They convinced me in there, I’m a no,” the Kentucky Republican said, holding up a thick packet of leadership talking points and railing against their plans line by line. By the time of the vote, Massie remained the only GOP “no.”

Johnson and his whip team had spent the last several days trying to win over their more moderate members, many of whom had raised concerns that the budget plan could ultimately lead to cuts to the low-income health program Medicaid.

Ahead of the vote, Republicans from northeastern states were particularly wary of plans to cut $880 billion over a decade from federal health and energy programs, which they fear cannot be achieved without cutting Medicaid, the hugely expensive health program, since Trump has vowed not to touch Medicare.

GOP leaders have strongly pushed back against the idea that benefits would be cut, noting that the budget plan is only a framework and not specific policy. They argue there are ways to cut hundreds of billions in wasted money on federal health programs without slashing Medicaid benefits, though it remains unclear where those cuts would come from.

“This is a procedural vote. You tell me what the cuts are,” House Majority Whip Tom Emmer told CNN when asked about swing seat lawmakers’ concerns about Medicaid cuts.

In the end, Johnson only recorded a single Republican defection.

“We will get there, as we always do,” the speaker predicted earlier in the day, when he was still lacking at least a half-dozen votes.

This headline and story have been updated with additional developments.

So why raise the debt ceiling if we're cutting spending?

Don't ask common sense questions.

People rooting for the destruction of other peoples lives so a damn handful of billionaires can get even richer. No, that’s not deplorable at all. Only a fool would look at this and think it was going to help anyone that is not already a 1%er. But the yellow headed orange man said it would be good for him and the peasants cheered. Dystopian.

Curious to see how many care about all the kids, millions, that will lose their medicaid, mostly in red states. But I get the billionaires need that extra money to buy up what’s left of privately owned housing. The elitist agenda gets approved by the MAGA idiots creating a real deep state with tangerine twittler. And shortly Manchild Muskolini and his band of merry zieg-heil-hackers will unleash hell with whatever they are REALLY doing. So predictable, so dumb.

Let’s do the math… Cut’s to social safety-net programs, check… Transfer of 4 trillion in tax cuts to the top 1% again, check… Did I miss the scraps for chumps somewhere?… because I saw nothing good in the bill that I can remember… Even republicans were trouncing it until they remembered they have no spine at voting time.

How is a 380 billion increase in the deficit THIS YEAR going to bring down prices? Answer that for me MAGA board members… the math is not mathing. I thought we were all still waiting on the 08 bailouts, and the covid bailouts to trickle down? Here trickle trickle? Oh that’s right, they are buying up your houses with that money to artificially raise prices. I expedct a large housing dump soon. Just like a pump and dump stock con.

MAGA congress is a rubber stamp for the tryant-n-chief.

It's that new trumpian math they're using. Claiming to be cutting spending while raising the debt. It's all the rage in trumplandia.

"Efficiency"

Congrats MAGA voters looks like your getting your Tech-Fasco-Oligarchy. I hope you feel the pain more than the rest of us.

TDS + EDS = TFO

My disorder is a FYD… figure it out.

Jc

So many stubby richards in MAGA.

That's how MAGA addresses trump claiming he wants to cut spending while increasing spending by trillions. I mean after all, what legitimate argument do they have? So since they can't argue the point they act like they're 10 years old.

Disclaimer; My apologies to all 10 year olds in advance.

Trump castrated them all.

Super, I wanna know something.. what's it feel like to be a billionaire? Can you tell all us little people

Gee that sounds just like what the left did when they cost people I know to lose there jobs over coal and electric cars. and many of those on the left were all for it. As I keep preaching BOTH SIDES SUCK.

Let's face it GM, the difference here is that Coal is pretty much dead.. and electric cars (or maybe hydrogen cars) are the future. (sad to say that, I like the sound of big engines)



What exactly are republicans doing for you and me... We aren't billionaires so we are pretty much gonna get [censored] upon.

From a purely theoretical standpoint, I would agree with you... but what is going on right now is next level.


Supposedly the DOGE douches are firing people "for cause" and telling everyone, in blanket statements, that it was for poor performance for the sole purpose of making it harder to draw unemployment. Some employees that were axed have said they don't have any poor reviews on their record and/or had just received positive EOY reviews.

Say what you want about establishment dems (I'll prolly never disagree with you), but the disdain shown to the common working man by this admin truly is next level... an admin that ran on the promise of addressing the needs of those same people. They made all the promises and then as soon as they got in they started axing federal jobs, demonizing the people that did said jobs, doing nothing about the people that set up/approved the budget (if you want to call it that), and are now pushing more of the bad budget practices that got us into the mess that they promised to fix.


So yeah... it does sound the same but at the same time it's not.

Can confirm.

It's the Trojan Horse effect. I promise a gift so that you let me in, and then I run rampant all over the place. Except, in this case, he is ransacking the city while screaming out that he is there to help and is the best thing that ever happened to Troy.

And half the Trojans believe him...

Coal pretty much died on its own with increased fracking. Natural gas is a much more efficient fuel and with modern fracking along with the increase in production of natural gas, natural gas became cheaper. Nobody is going to pay more for a less efficient fuel source.

EV's also need employees. Workers were hired to build EV's as other workers were no longer making as many combustion fueled cars. This is how that capitalist system everyone thinks is so great works. I'm sure the horse and buggy industry was singing that same song and dance when the car started becoming popular.

This isn't the same thing. Pay attention.

And don't forget all the people who loved it when people lost their jobs for not wanting/needing the COVID vax.

Every excuse in the book for your wanna be king. It seems I remember your kind hating it but you seem to love it now.

Those people you mentioned had a choice they could make to keep their jobs.

Again, there is a ton if difference between what Trump is doing and what Biden did.. Biden did it to help and try to save lives. It worked a hell of a lot better than anything the golden king ever did!

I lost... OK lets cut to the chase I had several friends DIE from covid. I didn't lose them they died, they are dead, their families and loved ones have to suffer in part because some people did not give a sheet about others. We ain't going to agree on this one bro.

I know people that died from COVID as well....it sucked more than words can explain. But I think you are missing my point. The vaccination became a political hammer when it came to getting it even though there was very little research on its effectiveness pertaining to getting COVID again if you were already vaxxed or passing it to others. We now know that both could easily still happen but, without any sort of legitimate data on this front, it did not matter to those wanting to virtue signal and call for people to be fired because they didn't want a vax.

That's what I'm saying. If you don't agree....that's perfectly fine.

I can agree with that. Just another case of both sides going to far right and left.

The only people that made it a political hammer out of it were Republicans. Normal people care about people other than themselves and do whatever they can to help protect everyone. Then there are those who throw a tantrum and make a political issue out of something that should never have been political at all.

I'm really glad that those COVID years are far enough behind that we can go back and argue what happened with the benefit of hindsight.

The biggest thing I'm still wrapping my brain around is the anti-science movement against vaccines. While I understand the hesitancy specifically surrounding the COVID vaccines (a new vaccine that also had a new development process that was rushed through testing and approval), the anti-vax movement ballooned WAY past just those new drugs. We are seeing resurgences of diseases that were on the brink of extinction because the overall anti-vax movement gained so much steam during COVID.

I was someone that wasn't totally sure about getting the COVID vaccines when they were initially available, and there were some spirited debates on here about that. So I definitely understand that issue. What I don't understand is how that ballooned into a larger anti-science movement.

Hardly. Moving toward the future is often painful for the few. This is not a move toward the future, this is a heist. 4 Trillion to the 1% is NOT comparable to saving the planet’s environment so we can all breathe in 50 years. BUT NEITHER OF US WILL BE HERE THEN SO THE FUTURE CAN SUCK IT, huh? I used to think you were a really decent dude. I should have my head examined. You should have your head extracted.

I don't think it's anti-science. I think it's that people don't trust those telling them what the science is. In some cases I think the "science"/methodology should be questioned. In some cases the "science" is designed to support a specific outcome.

Showing the "data" and showing the "science" don't always coincide.

You've got two sides showing different "science"/"data."

Too many people are too good at manipulating numbers to get them to say what they want them to say to confidently believe just about anything now. A "man's word" isn't worth much any more.

I think both sides skew the data so much nobody really knows what the truth somewhere in-between is.

Or they create that narrative.

See, no trust.

Whatever you want to call it, it gained significant traction during COVID and ballooned out to include all vaccines. A quick Google search is telling me that vaccination rates continue to decline overall and especially so in certain states.

Summary of Dev and Approval Process

This is the current process to develop, test, and gain approval for a drug. It's pretty involved, and many approval steps involve a panel of scientists. I'm not saying it's perfect by any stretch, but it wasn't until around COVID that this process was suddenly being questioned left and right... and this timeframe interestingly coincided with a sharp spike in misinformation and general quackery.

When people completely concoct stories out of thin air you're right. What many claimed people should do is put their "trust" in people not qualified to even say those things against a man like this.......

Anthony S. Fauci, M.D.

Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. Former NIAID Director

Credit: NIAID

Dr. Fauci served as NIAID Director from 1984 to 2022. He oversaw an extensive research portfolio of basic and applied research to prevent, diagnose, and treat established infectious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, respiratory infections, diarrheal diseases, tuberculosis, and malaria as well as emerging diseases such as Ebola, Zika and COVID-19. He also led the NIAID research effort on transplantation and immune-related illnesses, including autoimmune disorders, asthma, and allergies.

Dr. Fauci advised seven Presidents on HIV/AIDS and many other domestic and global health issues. He was one of the principal architects of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), a program that has saved more than 20 million lives throughout the developing world.

Dr. Fauci was a key advisor to seven Presidents and their administrations on global HIV/AIDS issues, and on initiatives to bolster medical and public health preparedness against emerging infectious disease threats such as pandemic influenza and COVID-19. As an HIV/AIDS researcher he was involved in the scientific effort since AIDS was recognized in 1981, conducting pivotal studies that underpin the current understanding of the disease and efforts to develop therapies and tools of prevention.

Dr. Fauci was the longtime chief of the Laboratory of Immunoregulation. He made many contributions to basic and clinical research on the pathogenesis and treatment of immune-mediated and infectious diseases. He helped pioneer the field of human immunoregulation by making important basic scientific observations that underpin the current understanding of the regulation of the human immune response. In addition, Dr. Fauci is widely recognized for delineating the precise ways that immunosuppressive agents modulate the human immune response. He developed effective therapies for formerly fatal inflammatory and immune-mediated diseases such as polyarteritis nodosa, granulomatosis with polyangiitis (formerly Wegener's granulomatosis), and lymphomatoid granulomatosis.

Dr. Fauci made seminal contributions to the understanding of how HIV destroys the body's defenses leading to its susceptibility to deadly infections. Further, he was instrumental in developing treatments that enable people with HIV to live long and active lives.

In a 2022 analysis of Google Scholar citations, Dr. Fauci ranked as the 44th most-cited living researcher. According to the Web of Science, Dr. Fauci ranked 9th out of 3.3 million authors in the field of immunology by total citation count between 1980 and April 2022. During the same period, he ranked 22th out of 3.3 million authors in the field of research & experimental medicine, and 715th out of 1.4 million authors in the field of general & internal medicine.

Dr. Fauci has delivered major lectures all over the world and is the recipient of numerous prestigious awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom (the highest honor given to a civilian by the President of the United States), the National Medal of Science, the George M. Kober Medal of the Association of American Physicians, the Mary Woodard Lasker Award for Public Service, the Albany Medical Center Prize in Medicine and Biomedical Research, the Robert Koch Gold Medal, the Prince Mahidol Award, and the Canada Gairdner Global Health Award. He also received 58 honorary doctoral degrees from universities in the United States and abroad.

Dr. Fauci is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Medicine, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the American Philosophical Society, as well as other professional societies including the American College of Physicians, the American Society for Clinical Investigation, the Association of American Physicians, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the American Association of Immunologists, and the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. He serves on the editorial boards of many scientific journals and as an author, coauthor, or editor of more than 1,400 scientific publications, including several textbooks.

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio

Often times being a contrarian simply for the sake of being a contrarian doesn't work so well. It's just a weak, manufactured argument with no substance to try and undermine the actual experts. That's certainly something people shouldn't trust.

Now we have much of the nation questioning all vaccines thanks to such silliness. Those who created that situation in the first place are to blame and now we have someone in charge of Department of Health and Human Services that's a vaccine denier as a result.

I don't know that it really did "spike." It definitely coincided with an increase in awareness/suspicion of misinformation and general quackery.

There have always been quacks. Is it easier for them to get a bigger platform now/Was it then? Probably. They had a "captive audience" during COVID. Social media keeps getting bigger.

How do the Google results coincide with Urban vs rural populations?

Rural "types" generally tend towards more self-reliance.

If you're in a city, you are exposed to more potential vectors of disease, and more subjected to peer pressure.

That's the process, but do "you"/they trust the people directing it. The FDA is a government agency. Trust in the government has been eroding for a long time.

There is no such thing as "self reliance" to infectious diseases. If you really want your answer, look at how most rural people vote.

How do infectious diseases spread? If you are more self-reliant, you can avoid other people more. What was the purpose of masks? Did you wear them at home alone?

Where did you think I was looking?

Link

Honestly, it's kind of depressing that that's on an official government website. Especially the one that is supposed to be overseeing others.