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WASHINGTON, March 19, 2025 /PRNewswire/ -- The Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service (FMCS) is issuing this statement to address the recent article by Luke Rosiak which resurrects reporting dating back over 12 years.

Rosiak's article contains numerous falsehoods and misleading claims that irresponsibly do not reflect the reality of FMCS's operations or our unwavering commitment to support the US economy with transparency and ethical practices.

The article references elements and reporting that are not only outdated but also fail to acknowledge the substantial reforms FMCS implemented over a decade ago. Since the time of that reporting, FMCS has:

Completed an Internal Independent Audit: FMCS commissioned an external independent audit to thoroughly review past practices and implemented 100% of the auditor's recommendations, further solidifying and displaying our commitment to transparency and continuous improvement.
Established a Comprehensive Ethics Program: In response to those issues, FMCS introduced a robust ethics initiative designed to guide our operations with the highest standards of integrity and accountability.
Enhanced Operational Oversight: Beyond these measures, FMCS has consistently invested in best practices and compliance protocols. Our proactive approach to agency management ensures that any legacy issues are not only addressed but serve as a catalyst for ongoing organizational excellence.
Maintained a Pristine Record: External independent financial audits have been conducted with zero findings of any irregularities, affirming our commitment to flawless financial stewardship.
"FMCS remains steadfast in its dedication to ethical operational practices and transparent operations," said Greg Goldstein, Chief Operating Officer and Acting Director of FMCS. "We are disappointed that an article published under the guise of responsible journalism would choose to resurrect old and sensational claims rather than focus on positive changes FMCS has made, and the contributions we continue to make to keep our economy strong. Our independent audit and the successful implementation of all the recommended improvements are a testament to our relentless pursuit of excellence."

Furthermore, FMCS is not a drain on taxpayer dollars as the article would suggest. In fact, our operations are managed on a $55 million budget (representing less than 0.0014% of the federal budget) yet we generate an impressive return on investment exceeding $500 million annually for the US economy. This remarkable economic impact underscores FMCS's role as a sound investment that drives substantial growth and innovation by fostering stable labor-relations, minimizing or preventing work stoppages, and keeping Americans working.

FMCS will continue to prioritize accountability and uphold the trust placed in us by the American taxpayers, our stakeholders, partners, and the communities we serve. FMCS is a neutral and independent federal agency and stands firm against unfounded and politically motivated narratives. We remain dedicated to building a future based on trust, transparency, and ethical conduct.

The U.S. Federal Mediation & Conciliation Service (FMCS) is the nation's premier public agency for dispute resolution and conflict management. FMCS was created by Congress as a neutral and independent government agency upon enactment of the Labor-Management Relations Act of 1947 (Taft-Hartley Act) and mandated to resolve industrial conflict and promote labor-management peace and cooperation, minimizing the impact of these disputes on the free flow of commerce. With headquarters in Washington, D.C. and offices across the country, the agency has a proud track record of decades of effective dispute resolution and conflict management services for employers and unions across industries and work activities in the private, public, and federal sectors. For more on FMCS or to request services, visit www.fmcs.gov

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Originally Posted by dawglover05
I’m confused. I don’t know the facts of what you just posted, but can we not think both are bad?

Of course. But one happened years ago and has nothing to do with 90% of posts here that it's rebutted with. People are fire-bombing Tesla dealerships all over the US, posters on DT start screaming January 6th. I know it sounds crazy, but that actually tarnishes the severity of January 6th imo. Not to mention making oneself look like a nitwit. And oh yeah, it being the ongoing catch-all-go-to loses more votes for your party. How you and yours can't see that I just cannot wrap my mind around.


Perplexity AI:

The Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service (FMCS) was involved in a significant embezzlement scandal that came to light in 2025. The agency, which was meant to serve as a voluntary mediator between unions and businesses, was rife with corruption and misuse of taxpayer funds.


Key details of the FMCS embezzlement include:


Misuse of government credit cards:

Employees "unblocked" their cards to bypass abuse protections.

Personal expenses were billed to the government.

One employee leased a BMW, while another paid for personal cable TV and cell phone bills.


Fraudulent expenses:

An employee spent $18,000 at a jewelry store using a government card.

$85,000 was paid to a former employee's LLC for a non-existent "Call Center Service".


Nepotism and cronyism:

Officials hired friends and relatives for high-level positions.

Contracts were steered to friends, who were allowed to write their own "statement of work".

Abuse of travel and living expenses:


A top official had his "duty station" listed in Iowa to claim living expenses in D.C. for six years.

Another employee was paid to stay in a hotel for half of every month despite living in Pennsylvania.


Misuse of grant funds:

The agency gave out seemingly random cash grants to private businesses.

Examples include $63,000 to a bankrupt hospital and $51,000 to a childcare company for licensing fees.


Despite an inspector general making a referral to the FBI, there were no prosecutions. The agency was ultimately shut down by President Trump in 2025 as part of a downsizing initiative for small federal agencies.


(I hope these poor souls can reestablish gainful employment... just not quite that gainful... and not til after their prison sentences)


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Originally Posted by FATE



"But, but, but... what about January 6th??"

But, but, but … the Jan 6th traitors were pardoned.


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"But, but, but... what about January 6th??"

But, but, but … the Jan 6th traitors were pardoned.

You're right. Four year sentences sound fair to me. Can't wait for the next dem in office, that's likely 12... and that would be unfair.


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I could post this in any one of a number of ongoing threads - and it would be applicable.

Firstly - there is no real actual discourse in Palus Politicus - there used to be amongst some squabbling and trolling. Now there is no discussion, no point and counter point. There is a post about something questionable about Trump's administration and then the response is childish nonsense, no counter or discussion.

On DOGE - no-one can defend the wholesale cuts and speeed with which decisions have been made. There has not been any detailed analysis. There has been no planning. There is an agenda - it's been carried out and then there has been [1] Lies and disinformation to try to justify or keep the Trump faithful feeling like the process is working [2] Whoopise - we made some mistakes there we need to rehire the people we just cut. [3] Along the way we've had absolute Bull Crap emails and posts from Musk like the one telling employees to email a acheivement list each week and failure is termination. None of that is normal or indicative or a well run administration ... and what we get back from the Trump supporters on this board? Re-Posts about $50m that was earmarked for condoms for Gaza. We get that Democrats are for waste. . . . No-one wants waste. Everyone is behind a rigorous and thorough routing out of waste and abuse. But that's not what is happening here.

On USAID - there are some isolationists that think any money spent outside the borders of the USA is waste. Set aside the lies about what some of the budget includes - the totals of which were minute in the grand scheme of the overall budget AND there were outright lies about the condoms and trans-targeted projects .... but the money spent abroad helps the USA in a number of ways from soft power/influence to preventing bigger costs from potential advisaries and conflict .... And you know who will step in and exert the soft power in the vacumm we leave behind? If you don't know - it's the USA's single biggest economic and global competitor or 'threat'.

On the trump administration simply ignoring the process of law and ignoring the federal court order - another concerning issue to any normal individual concerned witht he process of law ... we get told that the Democrats want to let loose criminals, rapists and gangbangers.... despite the fact that all these individuals were already in custody and there is no proof that all of them fell into any of those catagories.

Of the Judge who gave the court order & any judges who don't go with Trump's decison - Trump calls for them to be impeached. Thankfully the SC responded to highlight what due process looks like - but again you had individuals on here simply parroting propaganda that the judge in question was a looney left extremist which was and is 100% false. No debate. No discussion just a serious situation and naanaaanaaanaaa Boo Boo as a response.

On Tariffs which will increase costs and inflation - a self made wound - there is no discussion. Tarrifs don't help the USA. There were false claims from term 1 exposed about what money was going to be invested. A study on Washing Machines showed how much costs went up, the cost to consumers and the jobs created in the USA each costing the US economy about $800k .... and that didn't account for the increased inflationary costs to dryers. Look it up if you need to. In addition to renaging on his own agreements with Mexico and Canada and starting a legit tradde war with EU - You've got Trump threatening countries like Ireland with a population of 5 million raging about how unfair that there is a trade imbalance with USA w/ population circa 350 million. . . Does that make sense? Trump has pointed to a chart showing federal income by source and "back in the day" a large % of income came from tariffs. Yippee. That was adifferent world and a different time and there was no income tax at that time and little spending. . . . . But we did have a recent post insinuating Biden was the cause of all our inflation woes during his term. Despite the US doing better than the rest of the world and none of that inflation being created by Biden.... Again, make no mistake. Any inflation and increase in costs due to tariffs is a self inflicted wound and it is beyond dubious that there is a positive economic impact in the USA. Apple made a big announcement - but it was the same long term investment plan (or damn close) as it had made several years before. It was NOT as a result of Trump no matter how Fox or Breitbart want to frame it.


I mean there is a lot - but I guess Ukraine is another example - there are serious questions when Trump cozies up to Putin, exludes Zelenski, calls the democratically elected Pres of Ukraine a dictator, indicates Ukraine started the war and arranges for the attack on Z in the white house, even lining up MTG's boyfriend to ask that dumb question about Z not wearing a suit in the Oval Office when [1] Elon has been pictured endlessly as such [2] Z is well known to have donned military garb since the start of the war [3] the exact thing Churchhill and other leaders have done in past times of war .... It's hard to defend Trump "negotiations" when all he has done is virtually campaign for Russia saying no Nato. Russia will be given land. Removing aid AND inteligence .... oh yeah, Trump made a big deal about tough sanctions on Russia that even if in place were virtually meaningless based .... I'd say [1] Trump is not looking for a long term solution [2] He has shown the rest of the worlds USA allies the USA can not be relied upon and is not trustworthy [3] He's brought Putin into a much stronger position than he was in 3 months ago. . . . and what do we see on this board? We see posters spamming Ruissian propaganda and talking points. . . . . If you want to talk about having Nato allies spend more and making them do it - no problem. It needs to happen. If you want to talk about the USA not policing the world, it's a good debate that has merit. . . . what Trump has done? Not what a reasonably competent teenager would do to address these problems. Peace in Ukraine? A great goal ... exluding EU and Ukraine from the discussions with Putin? Not a reasonable or productive position. Forget any discussion on Trump's apparent admiration of Putin and questionaable history .... The idea that Trump can negotiate and understand Russia and what it's objectives are is laughable.

Anyway. There's a lot going on with Trump. The idea that none of it should be discussed or questioned is beyond silly - and in the absense of you or someone willing to construct an inteligent conversation on the topic(s) ... anytime i see the mindless responses I am more than happy to spam my posts calling out the Trumptard responses for exactly what they are. Hell - we've got the Queen of Trumptards trying to make the conversation about how manly D's or R's are. That same poster who posts nothing but dribble and trolls spammed this board for the last 5+ years with 'Libtard' without anyone calling her out from any side - So I am more than happy to reciprocate.

One last thing - damaging property be it in BLM protests, Jan 6, or Tesla dealerships is not acceptable. My vote would be to prosecute them all to the fullest extent. When it was BLM it was a massive deal - poster on this board said he was happy if those vandals were shot dead ... the whole BLM protests got tarnished when point of fact mostly it was opportunists and outright theives and thugs being 'criminal' - not the 10's of millions of peaceful protesters. As a percentage they were tiny .... with Jan 6 the numbers were high (est 2000+) and not only vandalism you had police attacked. I mean we can debate if you call it an insurection or not but trying to stop the peaceful transition of power on the back of Trump lies of a stolen election ... need some mental gynastics to reframe it a different way. The Tesla attacks - are in the dozens. Maybe in the hundreds. . . . all wrong but none of those things is quite like the other.


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So even after you show him it's fake news he continues. Typical.

Because you know, "But it was on twitter!"


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Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by dawglover05
I’m confused. I don’t know the facts of what you just posted, but can we not think both are bad?

Of course. But one happened years ago and has nothing to do with 90% of posts here that it's rebutted with. People are fire-bombing Tesla dealerships all over the US, posters on DT start screaming January 6th.

You're better than this.

I'll repeat it one more time for you. My issue with this and Jan6 is that the same person that labeling the Tesla property destructors domestic terrorists is the same person that has pardoned people who participated in an attempted coup. If you can't wrap your head around the hypocrisy needed to do that, that's on you.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
I’m confused. I don’t know the facts of what you just posted, but can we not think both are bad?

Of course. But one happened years ago and has nothing to do with 90% of posts here that it's rebutted with. People are fire-bombing Tesla dealerships all over the US, posters on DT start screaming January 6th.

You're better than this.

I'll repeat it one more time for you. My issue with this and Jan6 is that the same person that labeling the Tesla property destructors domestic terrorists is the same person that has pardoned people who participated in an attempted coup. If you can't wrap your head around the hypocrisy needed to do that, that's on you.

Repeat it all you want, bro. We're all welcome to our own opinions. You can say the same thing til you're blue in the face but it's clearly twisting the intent of my posts.

I'll bold it so it's easy to understand: Looking at the destruction of property; fire-bombs, spraying swastikas; keying cars; putting people on lists for owning the cars, and then justifying it because of January 6th is insane. I can recognize hypocrisy and agree with your premise. Does that hypocrisy justify the actions? If you're answering "no", then why do you take issue with me shedding that light on everyone that screams "January 6th!!" Geez, you're better than that as well. This is really not that hard. This place is literally unbearable at times with all the tangents and goal posts, you're to smart to be a part of the problem.


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It seems you haven't been able to figure out yet that he isn't part of the problem. The problem and what you described is NOT domestic terrorism. They are crimes that are currently already on the books and should be treated as such.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So even after you show him it's fake news he continues. Typical.

Because you know, "But it was on twitter!"

He showed me it's fake?

Here you go Pit, we'll see if you're capable of any critical thought today:


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Furthermore, FMCS is not a drain on taxpayer dollars as the article would suggest. In fact, our operations are managed on a $55 million budget (representing less than 0.0014% of the federal budget) yet we generate an impressive return on investment exceeding $500 million annually for the US economy. This remarkable economic impact underscores FMCS's role as a sound investment that drives substantial growth and innovation by fostering stable labor-relations, minimizing or preventing work stoppages, and keeping Americans working.

For anyone that can't smell diarrhea from a mile away, here's some served up on a silver platter. ^

55 million dollars is 55 million dollars, I really don't care (and neither should you) if it's a billionth of our budget. The "impressive return" nonsense is fodder for those not capable of high-school level critical thought. They mediate contracts, acting like the businesses, contracts and negotiations wouldn't happen without them is like LeBron's agent claiming ownership of his stats. Do you think these businesses would go belly-up without them?

Let's take a look at some of their "customers":

United Parcel Service
Boeing
National Football League
The Department of Energy 🤣 (We're paying TWO agencies to screw up on behalf of each other -- can't make it up lmao)

Do these look like people that need our tax dollars to help figure things out??


And oh yeah, these dolts also "mediated" Hollywood studios and SAG-AFTRA. That worked so well the actors went on strike. It's okay, I'm sure it wasn't much expense (they don't disclose), and after all "we needs our entertainments".


GTHOH with these corrupt from top to bottom government atrocities. These 60 criminals had a whole nine-story high rise to themselves in DC and every manager had luxury suites with full bathrooms. The director recorded an entire year of attendance as a business trip and charged taxpayers with all meals and lodging -- just for showing up at the office.


So tell me. Pit, what's "fake" about the exposed corruption at this latest agency? Just please don't quote the words of said director talking about all the good they do and using false beyond false metrics of justifying it all. Please do tell me you're not okay with NFL billionaires using taxpayer funds to "work things out"? Or any of the other businesses? Do you pay taxes? Is this how you want your money spent?


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WASHINGTON, March 19, 2025 /PRNewswire/ -- The Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service (FMCS) is issuing this statement to address the recent article by Luke Rosiak which resurrects reporting dating back over 12 years.

Rosiak's article contains numerous falsehoods and misleading claims that irresponsibly do not reflect the reality of FMCS's operations or our unwavering commitment to support the US economy with transparency and ethical practices.


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Whatever you say, Pit. A post of absolute nothingness with a laughy face. Not unlike 90% of your 45 million posts.

You're a two-bit troll. I won't be your muse any more. I'll finish wiping the floor with you're shenanigans in this interaction and then put you back on ignore. Only for the mindless entertainment while I eat my lunch. Care to look like any more of a dolt? -- have at it.


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Originally Posted by FATE
You're a two-bit troll. I won't be your muse any more. I'll finish wiping the floor with you're shenanigans in this interaction and then put you back on ignore. Only for the mindless entertainment while I eat my lunch. Care to look like any more of a dolt? -- have at it.

You do realize what you posted comes from an article 12 years ago, right? You truly have turned into Eve. Nothing but some cheap azz personal attack. The only thing you're wiping the floor with is your azz as you try to remove the hanging chads.

Grow the F up.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
You're a two-bit troll. I won't be your muse any more. I'll finish wiping the floor with you're shenanigans in this interaction and then put you back on ignore. Only for the mindless entertainment while I eat my lunch. Care to look like any more of a dolt? -- have at it.

You do realize what you posted comes from an article 12 years ago, right? You truly have turned into Eve. Nothing but some cheap azz personal attack. The only thing you're wiping the floor with is your azz as you try to remove the hanging chads.

Grow the F up.

Cool story. SHOW ME WHERE I CITED THAT ARTICLE. I'll wait.

I cited facts, all that came to light in 2025. So, while you're at it, go ahead and refute my facts. Either that, or climb back in your troll-hole.


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Read your own posts. The troll here is you...

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WASHINGTON, March 19, 2025 /PRNewswire/ -- The Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service (FMCS) is issuing this statement to address the recent article by Luke Rosiak which resurrects reporting dating back over 12 years.

Rosiak's article contains numerous falsehoods and misleading claims that irresponsibly do not reflect the reality of FMCS's operations or our unwavering commitment to support the US economy with transparency and ethical practices.

It's not "new". It's a rehash of something 12 years old. That's what happens when you think slanted posters on Twitter are news sources.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Read your own posts. The troll here is you....

So I didn't cite that article you're whining about, right?


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Are you trying to say your post was about a different instance than what the article was referring to? No it's not. That's exactly why that article came out two days ago to debunk your nonsense. You are reposting information from 12 years ago acting like it's some new revelation. It's not.


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Show me where I'm justifying arson/destruction of property.

I'm not. That's your own strawman/putting words in my mouth. Now, if you want me to start crying real tears for Tesla's situation right now (impact of damage plus cratering stock value)... yeah, you're going to be waiting a long time on that one. But being petty is not the same thing as trying to justify away a crime.

What I have said (that you've managed to ignore) is if anyone wants to round up the people that committed those crimes and charge them (with destruction of property/arson, whatever) then I'm right there with you.

In these sort of situations, I've been VERY consistent. If a law was broken, that person should be charged and I don't care who it is. If a law is suspected of being broken, investigate them and I don't care who it is. Nothing chaps my butt more than hypocrisy.


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Here's what you're not understanding, maybe you just don't want to.

I really don't care when it happened. This agency is useless. Nor do I care that the new director of an agency with no oversight or checks and balances says "everything is good now". It's an agency that answers to nobody, serves no real purpose, and burns taxpayer dollars. It was rotten from top to bottom, so I'm not gullible enough to believe "everything is good now".

And for the record, I never stated when any of this happened, so citing an article... about an article... saying it was twelve years ago means nothing in the whole scheme of things. The new director says much of "the article" is misleading. He did NOTHING to refute any of the facts I listed. Can you?


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I cited facts, all that came to light in 2025.

No you didn't. It was rehashed from 12 years ago. Twitter duped you again.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
Show me where I'm justifying arson/destruction of property.

I'm not. That's your own strawman/putting words in my mouth. Now, if you want me to start crying real tears for Tesla's situation right now (impact of damage plus cratering stock value)... yeah, you're going to be waiting a long time on that one. But being petty is not the same thing as trying to justify away a crime.

What I have said (that you've managed to ignore) is if anyone wants to round up the people that committed those crimes and charge them (with destruction of property/arson, whatever) then I'm right there with you.

In these sort of situations, I've been VERY consistent. If a law was broken, that person should be charged and I don't care who it is. If a law is suspected of being broken, investigate them and I don't care who it is. Nothing chaps my butt more than hypocrisy.

I never said you were justifying anything. I'm not ignoring anything you said. Please go back and read:


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
I’m confused. I don’t know the facts of what you just posted, but can we not think both are bad?

Of course. But one happened years ago and has nothing to do with 90% of posts here that it's rebutted with. People are fire-bombing Tesla dealerships all over the US, posters on DT start screaming January 6th.

You're better than this.

I'll repeat it one more time for you. My issue with this and Jan6 is that the same person that labeling the Tesla property destructors domestic terrorists is the same person that has pardoned people who participated in an attempted coup. If you can't wrap your head around the hypocrisy needed to do that, that's on you.


I said "people on DT", you jumped into the fray as if I insulted you. Why? I don't know. Maybe you misread. Maybe you took it personally. I never specifically mentioned you and I never intended to by a reference to "people". You've been very clear about your stance so I don't even know how you suspected that I was talking about you.

Maybe I'm missing something, if so, I apologize. TBH, from the day after the election, you've been the most even-keeled "lefty" poke posting here. I respect that.


Since you alluded to it though... I do find it ironic that people (not saying you) cheer for the destruction of a company that makes a product exclusively in America, a product of our greatest need to fight climate change (our biggest threat), and employs 125,000 US workers. As if it's the electric car itself ripping the doors off agencies and driving around doing donuts in each's hallowed halls. It's tragically comical. 🤣


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I cited facts, all that came to light in 2025.

No you didn't. It was rehashed from 12 years ago. Twitter duped you again.

Sooo... the bombing Hiroshima is not a fact since it took place 80 years ago. Gotcha.

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I understand that you have no intention of addressing the fact that Twitter got you again and convinced you it was a new story. That you were going with that until it was shown to be wrong. Now you decided to go in a different direction. Isn't that what you call a straw man when other people do it?

Just a quick refresher here. You're the very poster who acts out about people who keep bringing up Jan. 6th from just over 4 years ago and now bring up something from 12 years ago claiming it doesn't matter how long ago it happened. Keep it up.


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I don't think anyone is cheering destruction of tesla dealerships. I don't think anyone is cheering the destruction of company.That's not what's happening, although it has been brought down a rung or 2 with its share price, and bad press.

And tesla manufacture in germany and china as well. As i've said a few times, anyone that thinks elon musk is acting out of the goodness of his heart end has the best interest of the people of the usa at heart is being very short sighted.

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Investors say Musk is not showing up for work. Isn't that what he's firing everyone else for? Then there's trump who works from home a lot. I guess it just applies to everyone else that works for the government.


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You don't? Minnesota Tim "No Balls" Walz cheered about the falling stack price on stage -- and then posted it to Twitter. He said he checks the price of Tesla "whenever I need a little boost during the day.” "225 and falling!" he laughed. Here's a loser that boasts about fighting climate change and concerns for economics in his state. Minnesota holds significant shares of Tesla stock in its public pension funds. I guess maybe that doesn't affect him though. As long as he can find a fourth-grade-level "boost" during the day.

This dude was almost vice president. What a joke. What a bullet we dodged.


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I was talking mainly about this board, but even in general I think most people are not hoping for the destruction of Tesla. There are idiots in every quarter. I sat next to the guy at a poker table in las Vegas who wanted Obama shot when he was running for his first term. That doesn't mean that all republicans wanted the same thing or should be judged based on that individual. I've not seen what was said in the speech you referenced, and I don't want to play the what about game as pit just did. I'll just say that what was said if accurate, was wrong and stupid and I would chalk it up to hyperbole more so than anything else. If I was going to do it a what about I would cite Trump and his endless hyberole that nobody on the right wants to take literally.


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I was talking mainly about this board, but even in general I think most people are not hoping for the destruction of Tesla. There are idiots in every quarter. I sat next to the guy at a poker table in las Vegas who wanted Obama shot when he was running for his first term. That doesn't mean that all republicans wanted the same thing or should be judged based on that individual. I've not seen what was said in the speech you referenced, and I don't want to play the what about game as pit just did. I'll just say that what was said if accurate, was wrong and stupid and I would chalk it up to hyperbole more so than anything else. If I was going to do it a what about I would cite Trump and his endless hyberole that nobody on the right wants to take literally.

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I never doubted you, so if that wasnt clear. And its wrong and stupid. Even as hyperbole its still dumb.


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Judge bars Musk’s DOGE team from Social Security records in scathing ruling

A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order barring Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency team from getting access to personally identifiable information from the Social Security Administration.

Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander accused DOGE of launching a “fishing expedition” at the Social Security agency and failing to provide any reason why it needed to access vast swaths of Americans’ personal and private data.

“The defense does not appear to share a privacy concern for the millions of Americans whose SSA records were made available to the DOGE affiliates, without their consent,” the judge wrote.

A federal judge Thursday issued a temporary restraining order barring Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency team from having access to personally identifiable information from the Social Security Administration.

Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander in a scathing ruling accused DOGE of launching a “fishing expedition” at the Social Security agency and failing to provide any reason why it needed to access vast swaths of Americans’ personal and private data.

Hollander said the “defendants, with so called experts on the DOGE Team” never identify or articulate a reason why DOGE needs “unlimited access to SSA’s entire record systems, thereby exposing personal, confidential, sensitive, and private information that millions of Americans entrusted to their government.”

The order in U.S. District Court in Baltimore blocks the Social Security Administration, acting Commissioner Leland Dudek and Chief Information Officer Michael Russo, as well as all related agents and employees working with them, from granting access to any system containing personally identifiable information.

Per the lawsuit, personally identifiable information is defined as information that can be used to identify an individual, either on its own or when combined with other information. That includes Social Security numbers, medical provider information, medical and mental health treatment records, employer and employee payment records, employee earnings, addresses, bank records and tax information.

The judge also ordered the DOGE team members and affiliates to delete all non-anonymized personally identifiable information in their possession or control that they have accessed “directly or indirectly” since Jan. 20.

The lawsuit was brought by a coalition of unions and retirees including the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees; the Alliance for Retired Americans and the American Federation of Teachers.

In a statement, White House principal deputy press secretary Harrison Fields slammed Hollander as a “radical leftist” and accused her of “abusing the system to try and sabotage” Trump’s agenda.

“The President will continue to seek all legal remedies available to ensure the will of the American people goes into effect,” Fields said.

“We will work to comply with the court order,” a Social Security spokesperson told CNBC via email.
Judge: DOGE method ‘hitting a fly with a sledgehammer’

Hollander, noting the affiliates of DOGE have kept their identities hidden, wrote, “ironically, the identity of these DOGE affiliates has been concealed because defendants are concerned that the disclosure of even their names would expose them to harassment and thus invade their privacy.”

“The defense does not appear to share a privacy concern for the millions of Americans whose SSA records were made available to the DOGE affiliates, without their consent,” the judge wrote.

The judge also said that the administration has not “attempted to explain why a more tailored, measured, titrated approach is not suitable to the task.”

“Instead, the government simply repeats its incantation of a need to modernize the system and uncover fraud,” Hollander wrote. “Its method of doing so is tantamount to hitting a fly with a sledgehammer.”

The judge pointed to the public reaction to the disclosure of the Social Security numbers of more than 400 former congressional staffers and other individuals with the release of unredacted files associated with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. That supports the expectation of privacy with regard to that personal data, she wrote.

The plaintiffs are “likely” to succeed in their arguments that DOGE’s actions are arbitrary and violate the Privacy Act and Administrative Procedure Act, the judge said.

“We are grateful that the court took strong action to protect every American’s personal data,” Richard Fiesta, executive director of the Alliance for Retired Americans, a national grassroots advocacy organization, said in an emailed statement. “Seniors must be able to trust the Social Security Administration will protect their personal information and keep it from falling into the wrong hands.”

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This is the post I responded to.
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I'll bold it so it's easy to understand: Looking at the destruction of property; fire-bombs, spraying swastikas; keying cars; putting people on lists for owning the cars, and then justifying it because of January 6th is insane. I can recognize hypocrisy and agree with your premise. Does that hypocrisy justify the actions?


As for the second quote, I was one of the people that was talking about Jan6 vs Tesla, and around the same time you were not-very-subtly calling me out in a different thread. Perhaps I misread. If so, I also apologize.

It's been tense in here, and I'll admit that I've added my fair share to it. For me, I think the frustration is mostly how I see people that are normally chummy on here (so not you and Pit) more and more at odds in these debates. I find myself more and more at a loss as to how folks can continue to support some (not all) of these policies and changes.

To your last point, like I said before... it's hard for me to drum up sympathy for Tesla's stock price right now... but that's also because it was MASSIVELY overvalued to begin with largely due to the Musk ethos. At one point they were valued at more than Ford. If that makes me petty, so be it.


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I never doubted you, so if that wasnt clear. And its wrong and stupid. Even as hyperbole its still dumb.

... and to add to my last post, I also don't doubt/argue that there are people out there cheering for the demise of Tesla. The Tesla hate is real.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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This is why there individuals engaged in business, should not have active and high profile involvement in government.

There are inherent conflicts of interest that cannot be overcome.

Trump does not adhere to that standard, he simply views government as a means to enhance his personal wealth and the wealth of those that he places in high positions.

There is unlikely another Fortune 50 company that would let their CEO go on a personal hiatus to fix the government.

What works for business does not work the same way for government.

It is unfortunate that Tesla has become the target of peoples ire over what he has done.

The haphazard and cruel manner in which Musk has terminated government employees has had it predictable consequences.

Ultimately Musks' actions affect the perception of his business. Now people are no longer interested in anything Tesla or Musk related. Me included.

To see Trump and others in his cabinet shill for Musk is disgusting. I believe this to be inappropriate as well.

The sooner government returns to the people versus the billionaires, the better. It wont pretty, but the sad fact is it did not have to happen at all.


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USDA says it will reinstate fired probationary workers by Wednesday deadline
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March 11, 20254:41 PM EDT Updated 10 days ago
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March 11 (Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Agriculture will comply with the Wednesday deadline issued by a federal board to temporarily reinstate its fired probationary employees, according to an agency statement.
The Merit Systems Protection Board, an agency that hears appeals from federal employees when they are fired or disciplined, on March 5 told the USDA that it must temporarily reinstate nearly 6,000 probationary workers who were fired as part of President Donald Trump's cuts to the federal workforce.



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No need to have counter discussion when there is little to discuss. I would get it if the opposition was to some things, but when it is everything, I just turn it off just like I turned off everything else you wrote. Way too long for a message board. I do appreciate the effort.

I don't like everything that has been done by the President to this point, but am thrilled by most. I see no need for discourse with people who disagree with everything.

Seriously, what's the point? I believe in my sig, but that doesn't mean I can't write people off.


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USDA says it will reinstate fired probationary workers by Wednesday deadline
By Leah Douglas

March 11, 20254:41 PM EDT Updated 10 days ago
The U.S. Department of Agriculture is seen in Washington

March 11 (Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Agriculture will comply with the Wednesday deadline issued by a federal board to temporarily reinstate its fired probationary employees, according to an agency statement.
The Merit Systems Protection Board, an agency that hears appeals from federal employees when they are fired or disciplined, on March 5 told the USDA that it must temporarily reinstate nearly 6,000 probationary workers who were fired as part of President Donald Trump's cuts to the federal workforce.



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It says temporarily. We will see where that goes.

As I said in another post some weeks ago, I am sure some mistakes will be made, and those mistakes can be corrected. To go through 6000 people one by one would take the whole term. Nothing would happen and that is the friggen problem in DC....nothing ever happens.

We finally have a President who is turning DC on it's ear, and it's about friggen time.


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So you are ok with Ready, Fire, Aim? I am sure that if it was a Dem in office you would be screaming at the top of your lungs. There was a right way and a wrong way to review spending and staffing levels, but the Trump reality show won out.

Meanwhile, Donny boy is getting his ass handed to him in the courts. And rightfully so. Wait till the Alaskan Crise ships start showing up in Juneau, only to find out that the Mendenhoff Glacier Park is closed because it has staff of 1.

Carry his water all you want, but Donny Boy is still a disgrace.


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