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Since I graduated from a conservative area long before you graduated maybe you can explain the idiocy of what you just posted? Nah, I'm sure you can't. Just more MTG type garbage as usual.

My life is fine. I'm pretty sure I'm living as well or better than you are right now.

Your entire life revolves around trolling an internet forum day in and day out. Pretty sure I'm living better than you.

Anyway I have a life to go live.

You are as bad as MTG and Bobert and Trump and the rest of the MAGAs. You just love to belittle people. Are you gonna complain about someone Eyebrows being to big?

What the hell is wrong with the MAGA crowd?

Why, are your eyebrows too big? Do you need to take a weed wacker to them?

Pit reaps what he sows.

I'm retired. Maybe someday you'll have the luxury of doing whatever it is you choose. Your "pretty sure" gets you nowhere.

Yet here you are.

Says the MTG of Dawgtalkers.

j/c...

This Youtube documentary I recently watched is very intriguing. Toyota teamed up with Mazda and Subaru. This new ICE engine definitely pushes the boundaries, and it's paired with electric. Due out in 2026, it allows for gasoline, ethanol, biofuels and hydrogen out of the gate. It's a super-small, high-tech engine. It resolves low-end torque and HP shortcomings with the paired electric motor. I like the fact that it puts so many carbon footprint options in the hands of the user.

Very informative and entertaining, I actually learned a lot. This kind of tech could definitely help build a strong bridge to an electric future.

The new Chinese EV that charges in 5-7 minutes seems to answer the most pressing issue and leaves no carbon footprint. Now all we have to do is reverse engineer it .

and today our electric aggrigate in this area announced that electric is going form 4.99 cents per KWH to 9.33 cents per KWh LMAO

What energy source is your electric generated from? Coal prices are at rock bottom. Natural gas prices are pretty much stable. As per usual the consumer gets the shaft. Their generating fuel is table while your prices go through the roof. The same thing is going on here only it's just ever growing, more gradual increases over time rather than hitting us with it all at one time.

The utility gouge in our area has gotten bad too. I shop suppliers every year or so, but it really makes minimal impact. My whole HOA is constantly posting messages to Facebook talking about it.

What county are you in? We're going up to the high 7's. What's the term on your soon-to-be contract??

Yeah, well, we're getting pounded here. Aggregation was a win-win, but now it's been infested with what should be deemed as criminal activity that does nothing to help the consumer. It's a basic bait 'n switch now that they have consumers all opted in as they feel helpless about opting out.

Here in Trumbull County, our elected officials basically passed the buck and signed on to a short term rip-off. They said they didn't want to negotiate a long term contract because an election takes place in the middle and it's not really their job to negotiate the next brigade's contract. Ummm, we elected you to represent us, you're not summer help at a traveling carnival (although that's what you resemble on most days). Shills.

Electric is being traded on future prospect of need. Prices are spiking because of electric vehicle demands and AI will use a lot of electric. When Trump took office, demeaned electric vehicles and yelled "drill baby, drill!, prices should go down, right? No, these criminals stick a middle finger in your face and raise them even higher. It's no different than bonuses being handed out after the crash. Now we're all living in an environment that is basically a large-scale legal Enron experiment.

And if the IEA is anywhere close to being right I have no idea why drill baby drill even matters.

IEA sees global oil market surplus for 2025 as demand disappoints

Trims 2025 global demand growth by 70,000 bpd

Sees oil market in 600,000 bpd surplus in 2025, up from Feb

https://www.reuters.com/markets/iea...plus-2025-demand-disappoints-2025-03-13/

But we both know supply will be regulated to keep prices stable. It's not like the consumer will gain due to having a wealth of energy supply.

In a strange way that points to one of my biggest concerns with the "race to electric". Everyone seems incredibly blind to the fact that the electric energy is just as evil as big oil. Nobody likes evil but I definitely prefer the devil I know. Again, I know that sounds like I hate electric, I don't, I just think there is no way to keep either party honest without a gradual transition. To me, it's ludicrous to think otherwise.

I don't really disagree with your premise that we're going to get shafted on pricing and it's all rigged in terms that it really won't make much difference in the end which source we use for transportation fuel. My biggest issue, and the actual point of it all is that the devil we know is a huge threat to our environment while the alternative is a much cleaner source of energy. From my vantage point that's been the entire driving point of why we have been switching over to EV's.

I agree. It's just not feasible to make the transition as quickly as some say we should. But yes, we're like crackheads when it comes to oil, and it needs to start changing quickly, just not too quickly. I know you probably did it inadvertently a few posts earlier, but you mentioned the Chinese EV and "zero footprint". There is no zero footprint. Until two years ago, an EV owner in Ohio was literally shoveling coal into his car and acting like he was saving the planet.

There are way more factors that go into the conversation. Sadly, most of these never take place at any level, especially our government.

I'm a common sense type person. When you tell me I can go 0-60 in under three seconds, with a top speed of over 200, 1000 HP at my disposal, and the eMPG is 120?? Not much calculatin' needs to go into deciding which paradigm is better lol. Can't wait to talk my wife into an EV, it's been a slow process but I'm making headway.

Yes the way it is presented as zero carbon footprint is misleading. While it's true that the vehicle itself puts off a zero carbon footprint, producing the electricity it uses for fuel does.

The most interesting advance in EV's I've seen is the Chinese auto maker finding the ability for a 5 to 7 minute charge time. I still as of yet have not looked into whether that technology takes less electricity in such a short time or if the voltage required makes the electric use about the same. If they are using the same voltage to get that charge in such a short period of time that could be a game changer in terms of pushing the electric grid and the cost of charging.

Fate - finally watched your posted video. Very interesting. A couple times they repeated information too many times (rare materials lithium, cobalt and nickel ... short supply, expensive, environmental impact of mining ... 3 or 4 times).

Makes you wonder. I Guess next 12-18 months should be very interesting.

As a complete novice, my first thoughts are voltage would have to be very high or heat generation would be, in a word, "dangerous".

I decided to make AI do the heavy lifting. I'm getting pretty good at perp-walking the algorithm straight to the crime scene in three questions or less:


what about the new Chinese EV that claims 5-7 minute charge times?
what about the new Chinese EV that claims 5-7 minute charge times?

Answer
The new Chinese EV that claims 5-7 minute charge times is likely referring to the GAC Aion V, an electric vehicle developed by GAC Group, a Chinese automaker. This EV has gained attention for its groundbreaking charging technology, which promises extremely fast charge times, thanks to advancements in battery and charging systems. Here's an overview of how this is achieved:

Key Features Enabling 5-7 Minute Charging
Graphene-Based Battery Technology
GAC Group has developed a proprietary graphene-based battery that significantly improves charging speeds. Graphene is known for its excellent electrical conductivity and thermal properties, enabling rapid energy transfer without overheating or degrading the battery.

The graphene battery reportedly supports ultra-high charging power levels, allowing the vehicle to charge from 0% to 80% in just 5 minutes under optimal conditions.

This is a major leap compared to conventional lithium-ion batteries, which typically take 30-60 minutes to reach similar charge levels on fast chargers.

High-Voltage Charging Architecture
The vehicle likely uses a high-voltage charging system (such as 800V or higher), which allows for faster energy transfer with reduced current and heat generation. High-voltage systems are becoming more common in cutting-edge EVs like Porsche Taycan and Hyundai Ioniq 6, but GAC's implementation pushes the boundaries further.

Ultra-Fast DC Chargers
To achieve such fast charge times, the vehicle relies on ultra-fast DC chargers capable of delivering extremely high power levels (potentially exceeding 600 kW). These chargers are part of China's rapidly expanding EV infrastructure, which supports high-power charging stations.

Thermal Management Systems
Charging at such high speeds generates significant heat, but GAC's advanced thermal management systems ensure the battery remains cool during charging, preventing damage and maintaining efficiency.

Challenges and Considerations
While this technology is promising, there are several considerations:

Infrastructure Requirements: Ultra-fast charging requires specialized high-power chargers that may not be widely available outside of China initially.

Battery Longevity: While graphene batteries are more resistant to degradation than traditional lithium-ion batteries, long-term durability under repeated ultra-fast charging cycles will need further testing.

Energy Demand: Charging at such high speeds places significant demands on the electrical grid, which could pose challenges in areas with limited infrastructure.

Industry Implications
If GAC's claims hold true in real-world conditions, this breakthrough could revolutionize EV adoption globally:

It addresses one of the biggest concerns for EV users—long charging times—making EVs more convenient and competitive with gas-powered vehicles.

Other automakers may accelerate their development of graphene-based batteries or similar technologies to keep up with this innovation.

Conclusion
The GAC Aion V and its 5-7 minute charge times represent a significant technological leap in the EV industry. While there are still challenges to overcome (such as infrastructure expansion and real-world testing), this development showcases China's leadership in pushing the boundaries of EV technology. If successful, it could set a new standard for fast-charging electric vehicles globally.

Looks like a whole new rabbit hole to jump in.

I'm sure I mentioned, my wife makes EV batteries now for GM. This is turning into a very rocky road with supply/ demand issues and ever changing battery tech. Thank God this is a five year contract for her and she's only 7 years from retirement. We may be in for another 2 year adventure in who-knows-what city in a few years.

Thanks for the information. It still leaves a lot of questions up in the air. I didn't see any real clarity in terms of the total energy used per charge and how that stacks up with the much longer charging times at a lower voltage. Obviously the higher voltage means it requires much more electric per minute than current charging methods. How that equates when you compare a few minutes to hours seems unclear.

I think this basically limits the bottleneck that is the battery's ability to absorb the needed energy. That's the game now. I don't think there will ever be a magic formula for limiting the energy consumption in doing so.

Maybe I'm actually the one that's out in left field here, but I feel like this type of thing is an answer for a question nobody is asking (or shouldn't be, anyway).

While I definitely understand why, at times, you'd want a super-fast charge option I feel like the real barrier is deploying charging solutions to where people live. After all, if you can reliably charge every night while you sleep, who cares how fast your car can charge?

And in most cases I agree with you. Often times families have two vehicles. One for local travel and errands while another for long trips. Then you have business travelers whose jobs require lots of over the road travel. My son in law has one such job. His company provides them with Subaru Foresters. EV's simply aren't practical for the mileage they drive often times on a daily basis. Quick charge would eliminate the only obstacle left for such travelers. Of course that's provided such charging stations are provided to make it a practical option.

You're not. This is what the industry feels people need to become more comfortable. They believe they have to rival the time it takes to pump gas. It's nearly absurd when you post, as you did, the real hurdle.

Everything you say makes sense, just not for every person. When I have an apartment in Indiana and a home in Ohio (thankfully that's over with) an EV is waaay too inconvenient. I can't throw an extension cord out my apartment window and I'm not going to drop it off at Kroger and wait for a ride. One of those two options would be among my limited choices to get it back to Ohio. Nobody sees that as a sacrifice they're willing to take even if Mother Earth were taking her last gasps, we're just wat too spoiled and drunk on oil.