DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2025 NFL Season 2025 NFL Draft The Browns have selected Michigan DT Mason Graham

Wanted Carter over this guy

I'm shocked, I actually expected Sanders.

Lol, what a colossal disaster. A sub-300lb DT being drafted on a team with a historically bad offense. Zero playmakers.

What an absolute punt on the 2025 season. Should have traded Myles Garrett and gone full rebuild which they are doing.

I liked him over Hunter or Sanders. Carter would have been nice but he’s a little under sized and has bum feet at a young age. I can understand the move and subsequent pick.

The dropoff in talent from 3 to 5 was steep. Not exciting at all.

They passed up Travis Hunter for Mason Graham? Whatever.

Love it !

He’s sub 300 but only by a few pounds. 296? 292? That’s one off season of hitting the weight room and cafeteria hard.

he's a DE

No he is not. He's a DT.

Not the sexy pick, but he’s been stout throughout his college career. However, I was really hoping it was going to be all offense our first 3-4 picks.

He is a solid player but not a generational talent like Hunter is. Maybe Berry thinks Graham will do for the Browns what Aidan Hutchinson did for the Lions?

Garrett, Graham, and Hall make a nice starting 3/4 of a DL.

He averages 310 to 320 during playing season

He was also the Rose Bowl Defensive MVP

I love it. He was a secret hope of mine assuming we traded back. Solid middle of the trench to build around, makes everyone around him better. He’s nasty.

I lied.

It's an OK pick IMO. Not a sexy position or player, but won't be bad. We are surely targeting next year's draft to get our QB

Hutchinson is a DE and Graham is a DT. Unless this guy becomes Aaron Donald it's a bad pick.

The Browns passed on the consensus top 3 players in the draft in Hunter, Carter and Jeanty.

I hate the Browns for proving me right. They are actually following the smart draft process. We basically moved down a few spots and picked up the value of 2 first round picks. They also now have ammo to move back up into the first round to pick up a QB if there is one they want. If they do then I suspect it will be for either Dart or Milroe. If they don't move up then we will have 2 second round picks at the top of the second round. There will be some solid players at the top of the second round.

Honestly, I would love to see them move back from their first round picks next year to pick up picks for 2027 when picking a REAL QB will be possible.

I wanted carter but we got the 2nd best players in the draft behind Carter. Was afraid we were going Sanders. Kid is relentless. Strong strong hands.

Feel the same… if we stayed at 2 I wanted carter…. Trading back I was hoping for the tackle from LSU but this is solid…. Could have seen the running back (Ashton) but I’m fine with this pick and liked the trade….

I kinda wanted Jeanty too

Don't hate the pick but I thought Jeanty and Warren would have been better picks, I think those 2 guys will be studs where as I don't see Graham as being any better than a good player.

No way I would take a rb top 10 in the deepest rb class in 20 years. I liked Warren but we need a beast in the middle. Our tackles will be better without the crap we had at qb.

They were smart doing it

You said it's a colossal disaster because Graham is a sub 300 DL

Do you know that Donald played at 280 lbs ?

Is that sub 300 ?

He sheds blocks well. Has quick lateral movement to close holes. Let’s hope he can play at the NFL level worthy of his draft slot.

I hate the trade down but would have taken Jeanty at 5 given the unfortunate situation of the trade. A DT at #5 is absurd when they could have drafted Nolen, Harmon, Grant or Williams with one of their second round picks.

Normally I would agree with that but I think if Jeanty can stay healthy he will be a HOF back.

I agree. I'd rather have a guy who can control his weight over a guy weighing in at 330 at 21 years of age. I think most in here know that it is pretty natural to gain weight as you get older.

Dewand is a good example of weight being close to putting him out of the NFL. It is much easier to work with a guy to put on some weight over trying to get a player to lose weight.

I like the Graham pick.

The quickest way to the QB is straight up the middle. Graham is an impact player at his position. I thought we would take Hunter -and wanted to - but that’s the way she goes.

What QBs are left that we might covet?

I agree. And how are you doing my friend?

No doubt Jenty is really good, but not so much better than several others that you can get 2-3-4 rounds later.

Name any QB not named Ward or Dart.

This draft has fallen perfectly for the Browns. There hasn't been much of a run on positions other than maybe O tackle.

We are sitting in a good position going in to tomorrow. A very good position. Right now it looks like this is falling a defensive draft.

It's going to be interesting to see how we own tomorrow. We have good edge players and safeties available. We have good backs galore. If we like a QB we can go after him. It's wide open.

I doubt he ever becomes Donald because there has only ever been 1 Donald. But Graham dominated in college and controlled the line of scrimmage for 3 years. Probably the most technically sound DT in several years. Strong wrestling background.

And factor in the #36 pick and most likely an early 1st next year, and I think it was a good trade overall.

I thought there were 3 elite players in the draft. Hunter, Carter, and Graham. So getting Graham and 2 premium picks is a win in my book.

I was like warm on the pick until I saw your post. Historically, you are one of the best trench evaluators on this board. Glad to hear your take.

Speaking of historically good talent evaluators on this board, anybody still in touch with CleveSteve?
I always loved his draft posts
Seem to remember him dropping off because he had a kid

yeah good point Jester. He is a good guy to ask

j/c:

I get the move, especially w/ next year's QB class and he added flexibility with the extra first rounder. Still, I was kinda set on Hunter. Graham was considered one of the safest picks in the draft, so we'll see.

If Grossi is upset, I feel better about the deal.

Not horrible.. Wanted Hunter but hey... They did Fleece the Jags however,, so that's good....

I'm surprised that Dart went before Sanders. Speaking of which, why did he fall so far?

With 3 of the next 33, can change this team forever. I expect 3 starters or 2 and a hope QB. I probably go Mike Green de. Treveyon Henderson rb and Mason Taylor Lsu. If we go QB Tyler Shough I think is a great fit for Stephanski.

Not a sexy pick but I love the trade back no matter how talented Hunter is and I like the selection - this Browns team needs a lot of fixin' .... None more so than QB and there wasn't a QB htere at 2.

Typical Browns - #2 pick in a year with a crap QB draft class.

Would love to see another trade down from 33 and get another 1st next year, assuming there is a trade partner ... take Tyler Shough middle of round 2 if we can do that, or take Shough at 36. Be happy to add Emmanwori, Ersery or Burden III as well.

1, if we are trading down form #33 to get another 1st next year, that is just more confirmation that we are targeting getting our Qb in next year's draft. If that is indeed the case then I stay away from drafting a Qb until round 6 or later

2, I don't want mike green. Highly productive but too many character issues. We need to be more mindful of stuff like that

Sanders is falling because he is not an NFL QB. He's a product of a hype machine and having a great WR and popular dad/social media presence

I never wanted him TBH

I still do not want him. Other talent needs available IMO.

He is right up there with Kiper as an analyst IMO. I respect them equally. Can't play favorited with this pair!

Going into last night I wanted Hunter, Hampton, and then the best OL/DL/TE available

Don't hate the trade we did, but now we have pressure to really hit on tonight's picks

j/c...

From Jason Lloyd's article in The Athletic this morning...

Our Mike Silver was embedded with the Jaguars for the draft. He wrote that Gladstone, who came up in the NFL under Les Snead during the Los Angeles Rams’ “F them picks” era, called Berry to pitch the trade a few weeks ago. The two sides worked out the terms of the deal on April 7, but on the conditions that both owners signed off on it and only if quarterback Cam Ward went with the first pick.

If Ward was somehow available, the Browns were keeping the pick and selecting him. That meant the trade couldn’t be finalized until the Browns were on the clock Thursday night.

j/c

One thing I've learned is not to get your heart set on any one player in the draft. It was much harder for me to do before they signed watson. A loss hit hard and a win put me on top of the world. Now I'm much less emotionally invested so it's easier to be practical and look at things from a more logical angle.

Many of us, the experts included thinks this is a very weak draft class for QB's. Rather than reach out of desperation they loaded up for next year which presents a much better QB draft class. Playing the long game at the QB position made perfect sense. Hopefully after posting this they don't turn around and draft Sanders.

Graham is a great DT and I think he will pay substantial benefits. I like the pick at #5.

This is from a Fox Sports article-But there are several different articles that say mostly the same thing-



But even that decision was met with some backlash and throughout his entire college career, no matter what it was that he did, Shedeur’s every move was judged by the court of public opinion.

That has continued in the days leading up to the draft and no doubt will only intensify once Shedeur steps onto an NFL field.

Although it will be hard to top what one longtime NFL assistant coach told NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero earlier this week, claiming Sanders was “the worst formal interview I’ve ever been in in my life”.

“He’s so entitled,” the coach added.

“He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates... but the biggest thing is, he’s not that good.”

While easily the most scathing criticism of Shedeur, he was far from the only one to have personality concerns when it came to the Colorado quarterback.


“It didn’t go great in our interview,” one longtime AFC executive told Pelissero.

“He wants to dictate what he’s going to do and what’s best for him. He makes you feel small.”


An AFC coordinator, meanwhile, said that “when things go wrong” Sanders is quick to blame anybody but himself. “He takes a sack, he blames the O-line,” the coordinator told Pelissero.

Meanwhile, any team who may consider drafting Shedeur will also know picking him means inviting all the headlines that come with his last name.


That includes the possibility of Deion taking over as head coach should things go south.

“It’s going to be different than any other circumstances because of his dad and who his dad is,” an AFC GM told Pelissero.

“But you’d like to think (things will be different) once he gets outside of that. I don’t think it’ll be a problem. The guy wants to be really good. Sometimes you don’t overthink it. It’s complicated just because of the circumstance. He hasn’t helped himself in some of the interviews.”

It isn’t the first time the topic of Shedeur’s interviews has been in the spotlight. In March, one quarterbacks coach from a team drafting in the top seven said he came off as “brash” and “arrogant” in his interview.

Deion called out that claim as “lies” at the time and was just as strong in his response to the latest attacks on his son, calling them “venomous” in an interview with USA TODAY Sports.

“It’s to the point where it ain’t even cute no more. It’s so predictable,” he said.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nfl/nf...s-story/2010030b22afc95536d2bd751d9592b4

yeah I'm out on Sanders

With the season the Browns just had, taking a DEFENSIVE player at 5 is definitely going to raise some eyebrows.

That said, BPA is BPA, and our DT rotation was probably 1-2 too many aging vet 1-year FA's. I also kinda wonder if they were crossing all their fingers and toes for the LSU OT.

I don’t want Sanders for the Browns.

But now watch, he goes to Pittsburgh and becomes a HoFer.

I think he's gonna be a raider

I'm happy with the pick at 5, also very happy with the haul of picks we got. Sure Hunter and/or Carter would have been nice, but would either of them have catapulted the Browns immediately into the Super Bowl? I think we all know that answer, if you're being honest. it's a big fat Hell NO. They would be great talent for us and will be for their respective teams, for sure, but team game about more than any one player. I hope we continue to get solid talent on both sides of the ball. Personally, I really want Arch Manning as our starting QB when he's availabe though I think it's 2 years at minimum for that.

j/c...

Mason Graham is having his introductory press conference with his family i attendance and MKC asks, "Hi Mason, were you aware a lot of the Browns fan base really wanted Travis Hunter and were let down when you were the pick?"

When is this goblin going to retire?

She is so terrible.

She’s a freaking troll and a bad writer.

And if this board is any indication, not a lot of Browns fans feel “let down”.

Who still thinks it’s a good idea for this woman to have a microphone?

The further we get from the shock of not taking Hunter, the more I'm warming to the pick.

I also think he'll see a lot more one on ones with Myles drawing attention. Watch the Minnesota game to see how he might fit with Schwartz. One on one and just getting after the QB, it can look pretty nice.

I think Joe Burrow is going to dislike this pick a lot.

I never wanted Hunter; I preferred Abdul Carter, but I also didn't know this DT was rated this high (I don't particularly follow the draft classes).

In short: getting a high motor penetrating rush DT that also plays the run on the way to the QB AND picking up a 1st in 2026 - I absolutely love this. Whomever plays between he and Myles will have a VERY good year. If we can put a plus-side DE opposite Myles, then this DL is gonna be fun.

This kid & Myles next to each other: they will collapse their entire side of the OLine, so offenses will probably try lots of traps, etc to try to catch them out of position or over penetrating... good LBers & Safeties filling behind them will make it all click.

I imagine it would be Michael Hall, or Shelby Harris? Speaking of Hall, how did he look when he was in last year?

They also signed Maliek Collins a stater with the 49ers that could play there also or form a rotation.

IIRC correctly, the general consensus was that he was holding his own when saw the field.

He was my #2 choice after Hunter. I wasn’t one tiny bit upset. I did a deep(ish) dive on the top 8-10 guys. I had a very strong feeling we’d trade back with someone going up for Hunter and if did we’d be lucky to get Graham. Probably the first time in 10yrs I called it. There was 3 guys I’d have been ok with if trading back and graham was the top of the list.

Love that he has a wrestling background, too. And he looks like a baby-faced kid now, but in a few years - maybe a LOT sooner - he’s gonna look like a nasty old-school tackle.

This was one of the smartest picks - thrown in the #1 in the trade-down - we’ve had in a while.

JMHO, he pucked at rookie camp-- he hasn't been taking care of his body enough while waiting for the draft and his future.....as a Michigan man, who dominated in college he'll get his come to Jesus moments soon as the veterans show him what the NFL is like.....buckle up baby, and earn that high draft pick status.....GO Browns

Meh, these guys have playing weight vs game weight and their diets are all screwed up gearing up for a season. They were just asking to him the other day and he talked about losing too much weight, but not thinking it will be an issue. He was going to work though the calories to gain to his optimal playing weight. He’s in a new facility, new chef and nutritionist going through his first professional workout.

Joe Thomas used to struggle with nausea during training camp because of the same thing. He had to eat so many calories each day to get to his playing weight that it messed with his stomach.

If I were betting man, I would say this is something similar.

I think Stefanski was making a joke about his wing eating competition against Stipe Miocic at a local BWWs. (link)

Unfortunately, celebrity has its price. Fortunately, he has some time to get from buffet circuit mode to in season mode.

I think it's a non-story as well. Plus, it looks like he was getting after it pretty hard. He doesn't look like a complete fat-arse either. I think he will be fine.