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peen says: I don't even see it as being bought. It's more about access. Let's call it what it is..a BRIBE...Sorry man, bribes are given under the table. Something that neither party wants to be seen. This was openly given to a politicians campaign in one form or another. All above board and nothing illegal about it. The UAW makes and receives contributions all the time. Nothing illegal or sleezy about it. Definition of Bribe (noun)..
: money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust police officers accused of taking bribes
: something that serves to induce or influence
Definition of Bribe (verb)..
: to influence the judgment or conduct of (someone) with or as if with offers of money or favor : to induce or influence by or as if by bribery (ex:attempting to bribe a judge)
Peen...doesn't matter where the bribe takes place..under the table, over the table, in the bathroom or bedroom...
offering something of value in an attempt to curry favor can be interpreted as a bribe.
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Isn’t their lease up in 2026?
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Isn’t their lease up in 2026? Yep. The team has two 5 year lease extension options it could exercise.
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The world and how it hasn't changed- Vietnam War- 58000, Lady Bird Johnson bought lots of Bell Helicopter stock....teacher in Texas dies a multimillionaire several times over working the political handshakes and defense stocks filling the overflowing trough politicians eat from.....same thing at work building stadiums.
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Isn’t their lease up in 2026? No. 2028. That is why the rubber needs to hit the road. A 3 year project ends in July 28. They can have the stadium and parking complete. The rest might take a little while longer. The state and county will have the roads ready.
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Isn’t their lease up in 2026? No. 2028. That is why the rubber needs to hit the road. A 3 year project ends in July 28. They can have the stadium and parking complete. The rest might take a little while longer. The state and county will have the roads ready. the lease ending doesn't really mean much if they get the deal that everyone can live with.. The lease can be extended if need be.
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Isn’t their lease up in 2026? No. 2028. That is why the rubber needs to hit the road. A 3 year project ends in July 28. They can have the stadium and parking complete. The rest might take a little while longer. The state and county will have the roads ready. the lease ending doesn't really mean much if they get the deal that everyone can live with.. The lease can be extended if need be. No doubt. With some of the goofballs on the city council, they might try to enforce a 5 year deal and not 1 year extensions, if in fact that isn't already possible. I don't know the terms of the extensions I hope it wouldn't come to that and force the Browns to play a season elsewhere for a season. That would end any chance of goodwill between the city and the Browns. Heck, the Browns might actively pimp west side restaurants and hotels. "Great establishments and way less crime".
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Just so you know, Downtown Cleveland is pretty nice these days. I remember when it wasn't nearly as nice.
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Just so you know, Downtown Cleveland is pretty nice these days. I remember when it wasn't nearly as nice. I know. I go to games 5-7 times a year for the last 20 years. I stay downtown at least once per season.
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Just so you know, Downtown Cleveland is pretty nice these days. I remember when it wasn't nearly as nice. I know. I go to games 5-7 times a year for the last 20 years. I stay downtown at least once per season. Just so you know, those GoofBalls as you put it, are responsible for some of those improvements...
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My comments are based on how they have handled the Browns situation. It's one of 3 issues that have any real direct impact on me. The Guards and Cavs being the others. You live in the area so the local politics has more of an impact on your life. If you say they are doing a good job on running the city, you know better than I.
So if I use the term goofball in the future, understand it is simply my opinion on the Browns and stadium issues. After that, I don't pay any attention to the local goings on to any degree. I was glad when Sherwin Williams elected to stay inside the city and build that beautiful building.
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I bet the paint job was nice.
This new stadium is going to happen, everyone will come to a financial agreement that works for almost all. I’ve seen it many times in big infrastructure projects, : once the ball starts to gain momentum, it gets the go-ahead.
It’s an old stadium that is no longer upper-echelon.
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Side note... here is the link for Ohio folks to check and see if they have any unclaimed funds. LinkWhen I first heard this story I went to the link and started the process. To say I was pleasantly surprised by what was out there for me would be an understatement.
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Here's a question, Say we use these unclaimed funds to build the Browns Facility and then, at some point, those that are owed money come forward to collect, who is going to pay them?
I mean I understand that the amounts that individuals are owed is probably pretty small in the grand scheme of things, but what if?
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Here's a question, Say we use these unclaimed funds to build the Browns Facility and then, at some point, those that are owed money come forward to collect, who is going to pay them?
I mean I understand that the amounts that individuals are owed is probably pretty small in the grand scheme of things, but what if? In the article it said escrow accounts would be funded by Haslam and whoever else to cover any reasonable refunds to be paid until tax dollars covered the money taken out of the unclaimed funds account. I suppose we can "what if" anything. The money in these state accounts has been accumulating for decades. It isn't reasonable to think that all of sudden all of this money will be claimed in a matter of a few years. As you said, in most cases the amounts are small. All states have these accounts. In many cases, the steps one needs to take to get the refund aren't equal the effort.
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You're probably right, but I would never bet against pettiness.
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My grandfather is owed between $50-$100. He died in 1995. I'm sure there are plenty just like that.
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My grandfather is owed between $50-$100. He died in 1995. I'm sure there are plenty just like that. Exactly. I looked in my state account several years ago and am owed nearly $40. For what exactly I don't know. I suspect the accumulation of those random over payment/refund checks we get for $2.30 that we set aside and never get to the bank. The company who issues the check only sends one to the named address. After 90 days they just issue it to the state fund in your name so they can close it out as paid. I looked in to claiming the money, but the steps needed weren't worth the hassle to get under $40.
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I watched it... it's boring lol Most entertaining part: Ranking member: "If we do not give you this money what then? What happens to the project? What is the future for Haslam and the Browns" Ted Tywang (Browns spokesman): "You're really putting me on the spot." <light laughter> Ranking member: "Does this whole project hinge on us giving you the $600M? What happens if this falls through?" Ted Tywang: "I guess I better dust off my resume." Sounds like he was attempting to dodge the question. I'd guess he doesn't want to put anything out there that might sound like an ultimatum... I'm hopeful that the Haslams don't want to come across as: Give us the money or we will move the team somewhere else.
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From a purely business perspective if another city offered you a nice, shiny new dome and Ohio refused to, what would you do?
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