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Just in case anyone missed it a Florida sheriff said if anyone throws a brick at a Florida demonstration they will be killed. This isnt California. https://www.cnn.com/?refresh=1 I can't get the video link to work but it's there. And the governor said

His comment was this. "If you throw a brick, a fire bomb or point a gun at one of our deputies, we will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead. We're not going to play."

First, why would anyone throw objects at a peaceful protest? Maybe we should talk about that.

Secondly, the comment was more specific in that is said thrown at a deputy. I can't speak for you but in my world a law enforcement officer has every right to protect their being against deadly force.

You do realize when fascists back an anti fascist up against a wall with no escape you’re going to get violence.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
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Just in case anyone missed it a Florida sheriff said if anyone throws a brick at a Florida demonstration they will be killed. This isnt California. https://www.cnn.com/?refresh=1 I can't get the video link to work but it's there. And the governor said

His comment was this. "If you throw a brick, a fire bomb or point a gun at one of our deputies, we will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead. We're not going to play."

While to a great extent I agree that there is nothing substantially wrong with that statement, it certainly does nothing to attempt bringing peace to protests. It sounds more like something Rambo would say than what one would expect from a law enforcement official. I don't see where ramping up the rhetoric is helpful. I think we should expect more from a top law enforcement official than to try to use threatening rhetoric in such a situation.

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First, why would anyone throw objects at a peaceful protest? Maybe we should talk about that.

Maybe we should. When a small faction of the protestors become violent, why do some people call that a violent protest? It seems that is trying to focus on a small fraction of the protestors and label the vast majority of them as being violent who are not. If say 80% to 90% of the people attending are being peaceful why is it a certain portion of our society decide to ignore that and instead only focus on the 10% to 20%?

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Secondly, the comment was more specific in that is said thrown at a deputy. I can't speak for you but in my world a law enforcement officer has every right to protect their being against deadly force.

And I certainly agree with that. But there are also questions that come along with that.

Throwing a brick at law enforcement is most certainly a crime. There's no question about that. Anyone who does such a thing should be arrested and prosecuted. But I would have to ask, when you have police officers in riot gear, full helmets and shields, full body armor, just how deadly do you propose a brick is? I'm not sure in that situation, under those circumstances that is cause to kill someone "graveyard dead". I understand you may see it differently but that's a hard conclusion for me to reach.

Secondly, in a huge crowd with people constantly moving how safe is it to take shots at someone who "threw a brick"? How likely is it you could shoot and kill someone who had nothing to do with that? Most all of us who have any experience in handling such weapons have been taught from day one to take a safe shot. I'm not so sure this qualifies. It is at the very least a dangerous shot to try and make. Common sense needs to prevail here. That isn't what this sounds like.


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The fact is when riot starts protest has then ended. These riots are organized. In California they have arrested a man who drove up in a pick up truck and gave riot gear to so called protestors.

The Florida Sheriff has the correct stance to put an end to this nonsense. These leftist idiots rioting are terrorists plain and simple.


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The Supreme Court gave Trump and his fascist minions the right to kick the hornets nest all they want.


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Just to clarify my earlier post, I meant he announced himself before he was taken down.


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Wow! They organized a whole pick up truck with this! That Soros money sure doesn't go as far as it used to does it? rofl

So it's only "leftists" who riot at certain places at certain times for certain reasons you label as terrorists? "Things that make you go hmmmm for $500 Alex."


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Just in case anyone missed it a Florida sheriff said if anyone throws a brick at a Florida demonstration they will be killed. This isnt California. https://www.cnn.com/?refresh=1 I can't get the video link to work but it's there. And the governor said

His comment was this. "If you throw a brick, a fire bomb or point a gun at one of our deputies, we will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead. We're not going to play."

First, why would anyone throw objects at a peaceful protest? Maybe we should talk about that.

Secondly, the comment was more specific in that is said thrown at a deputy. I can't speak for you but in my world a law enforcement officer has every right to protect their being against deadly force.

You do realize when fascists back an anti fascist up against a wall with no escape you’re going to get violence.

Backs against the wall? I seem to see police and guardsman up against walls surrounded by rioters. What are you talking about.

I also saw you say kick a hornets nest.

So you describe the "protesters" as a hornets nest...I agree.


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I need to clarify something. The video I referred to was from another angle. In this video you can hear some scuffling before he identifies himself.

And that's what him identifying himself should have stopped at that point.

Exactly, the moment he identified himself, the tussle should have stopped. Noem should have stopped it... She did not.

But none of that matters.. Senator or everyday person, We supposedly live in a country where speaking up is our right. so if these politicians and appointed people can't stand up to questions, they should resign.


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That's the thing about supporting trump. You have to keep your head on a swivel. He's always saying one thing and then doing another. And then you have to go watch FOX News to see what excuses they made up to explain why.


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I can agree the comments could be viewed as inflammatory. I wouldn't have worded things that way.

It would have been better to say something along the lines that the police can meet deadly force with the same.

Make no mistake. I pray things like that don't happen but there comes a point where we can't just expect the police to stand there as people throw objects that can kill or seriously injure.

People who throw firecrackers need to face enhanced punishment. That could trigger off a tragedy.

Some people just don't think, or care. Some might possibly even hope.


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I'd say we're closer to being in agreement about this than we are many things. I'm still not sure how "deadly" a brick is against an officer in full riot gear but.....


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ICE agents denied entry to Dodger Stadium

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents attempted to access Dodger Stadium on Thursday morning but were denied entry by the team.

“This morning, ICE agents came to Dodger Stadium and requested permission to access the parking lots. They were denied entry to the grounds by the organization. Tonight’s game will be played as scheduled,” the team said in a statement posted on X.



While the stadium grounds are affiliated with the team, the parking areas are owned by former Dodgers owner Frank McCourt, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Images of government vehicles quickly spread on social media, prompting widespread speculation and criticism from fans, many of whom questioned the agents’ presence at the stadium.

The appearance of ICE agents comes as the Dodgers prepare to break their silence on the ongoing federal immigration raids in Los Angeles — operations that have left much of the team’s Latino fan base on edge.

The Dodgers’ initial decision to remain publicly silent has drawn sharp criticism and become a political flashpoint in the city. To date, Enrique “Kiké” Hernández is the only player to speak out about the raids.

The Times was the first to report that the organization plans to announce initiatives aimed at supporting immigrant communities affected by raids that began in early June.

A coalition of Latino advocacy groups has urged the Dodgers and other local professional sports teams to speak out as President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown continues to reverberate across Los Angeles communities.

On Saturday, singer Nezza defied the team’s reported request to perform the national anthem in English, instead singing “The Star-Spangled Banner” in Spanish before a home game. Her performance coincided with widespread protests across metro Los Angeles against what critics call a “Mass Deportation Program” promoted by Trump and federal officials.

The Dodgers later issued a statement regarding Nezza’s performance, saying there were “no hard feelings” and that the team “would be happy to have her back.”

The organization has long enjoyed deep support from Southern California’s Latino community, a connection dating back to 1981’s “Fernandomania,” when Mexico-born pitcher Fernando Valenzuela won the Cy Young Award as a 20-year-old rookie.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/ice-agents-denied-entry-to-dodger-stadium/


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Multiple ICE impersonation arrests made during nationwide immigration crackdown

https://www.wdsu.com/article/ice-impersonation-arrests-migrant-fears/63678839

Police: SC man charged after impersonating ICE officer in viral video

https://www.foxcarolina.com/2025/02...r-impersonating-ice-officer-viral-video/

Man who told woman he was ICE agent busted for rape in NYC assault

https://www.theoaklandpress.com/202...sted-rape-assault-brooklyn-attack-woman/

Man accused of posing as ICE agent, sexually assaulting woman at motel: report

RALEIGH, N.C. (TNND) — A man in North Carolina allegedly impersonated an ICE officer and threatened to deport a woman if she did not have sex with him.

Carl Bennett Jr., 37, was arrested in Raleigh on Sunday for the incident at a Motel 6, according to an arrest warrant obtained by WRAL.

Police stated Bennett "threatened to deport the victim if she did not have sex with him," and "displayed a business card with a badge on it."

https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-worl...rth-carolina-wake-county-sheriffs-office

It's time these ICE agents start dressing as law enforcement officers, displaying their badges and giving their badge numbers upon request the same way other law enforcement officers do. It's only a matter of time before someone mistakes them as kidnappers and gun play ensues. In the above cases that may be just what should have happened because none of these men were really ICE agents and used that to commit criminal acts.

How the hell are people supposed to know the difference?


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Yeah baby the vigilante groups are out in full force! MAGA! Murica! Shall I throw in a few books to burn while we’re at it? If I’m anything but a white American, I’m scared s.less.


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'Who are these people?' Masked immigration agents challenge local police, sow fear in L.A.
Nathan Solis, Richard Winton
Tue, June 24, 2025 at 9:00 AM EDT7 min read


Increasingly aggressive immigration raids carried out by masked federal agents, sometimes using unmarked vehicles, are creating problems for local law enforcement agencies.

Police have little or no insight into where the federal enforcement actions are taking place but often have to deal with the aftermath, including protests and questions from residents about what exactly happened. In some cases, local cops have been mistaken for federal agents, eroding years of work to have immigrant communities trust the police.

In Bell, chaos erupted when masked men arrived at a car wash and began detaining its workers, sparking a confrontation with residents and immigration rights advocates before they were forced to hastily drive over curbs and street islands to escape.

In Pasadena last week, a man stepped out of his unmarked vehicle at an intersection, unholstered his pistol and aimed it at a group of pedestrians before returning to his car, turning on its red and blue emergency lights and speeding off. Video of the incident went viral.

That incident left the police chief of Pasadena resigned to figure out whether it was a crime or part of a federal raid.

"There's no way for us to verify," Police Chief Gene Harris said.

The department reviewed surveillance footage and other video and saw the credentials on the man's uniform, according to the chief.

"We were able to determine that to the best of our estimation he was an ICE agent. ... We will not look into it any deeper than that," he said.

Read more: Feds vow to continue immigration enforcement 'every day in L.A.' Here are your rights

At Dodger Stadium last week, immigration agents staged outside the parking lot prompted protests and questions that local officials had to address.

"They show up without uniforms. They show up completely masked. They refuse to give ID," Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass said during a news briefing after the Dodger Stadium incident. "Who are these people? And frankly, the vests that they have on look like they ordered them from Amazon. Are they bounty hunters? Are they vigilantes? If they're federal officials, why is it that they do not identify themselves?"

Ed Obayashi, a Northern California deputy and use-of-force expert, said federal agents enjoy great autonomy and "can do what they want in their official capacity."

"If they point a gun or take someone in, local police cannot step in and interfere regardless of the circumstances," Obayashi said.

He said that federal agencies have extensive use-of-force policies on drawing weapons but that, ultimately, if the overall directive is to take this action, then the guidelines don't matter.

"If Homeland Security says this is what we want, the policy guidelines when it comes to gun and force doesn't matter," he added. "There is little redress against federal law enforcement in the civil courts compared to local police."

Federal agents are not subject to the same statues as local police, namely Section 1983 claims that allow people to sue certain government agencies and employees for violating their civil rights.

"The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly shielded federal agents from legal repercussions," Obayashi said.

The incidents at Dodger Stadium, in Bell and in Pasadena unfolded more than two weeks after masked immigration agents descended on the region carrying out a wave of immigration sweeps in predominately Latino communities. Residents are on edge as masked men are appearing and detaining their friends, relatives and neighbors without any clear sign they are part of federal immigration enforcement and refuse to show identification or a warrant.

The Pasadena incident showed how social media can amplify an incident and highlight the lack of response from local officials.

In a video posted to Instagram from Pasadena, a suspected federal agent is seen exiting a Dodge Charger at an intersection and pointing his gun at members of the public.

In the video, a person walks up to the back of the Dodge Charger and appears to take a photo of the license plate. That's when the driver gets out of the vehicle and points a gun at the person who was behind the vehicle, then toward another person outside of the video frame. The word "Police" is visible on the driver's vest, along with a badge on his hip. After a few seconds, the man puts the gun away and gets back into the car as bystanders shout at him. The man then activates the vehicle's red and blue lights common to law enforcement vehicles and drives away.

Citizens shared the vehicle's license plate on social media, which led to more questions than answers.

According to Pasadena officials, the vehicle's license plate is a "cold plate," or untraceable, which is typically used by law enforcement in undercover criminal operations.

"One question is this a law enforcement agent or someone pretending to be a law enforcement agent, and there is no good answer here," Pasadena Mayor Victor Gordo told The Times. "[To] have a law enforcement agent draw his weapon and point it toward someone using their iPhone, and a crowd, is showing a lack of training and a lack of temperance in the use of force."

He's still hopeful that the federal government will acknowledge the incident and provide some clarity. As more immigration sweeps happen, Gordo is worried that there could be an accidental shooting or that police could end up caught in the middle if unidentified federal agents are pulling out their guns in public.

Previous administrations informed the city of enforcement actions to avoid accidental confrontations between law enforcement, according to Gordo.

"Our police need to be aware of undercover or unmarked law enforcement operations. These operations are endangering everyone in our neighborhoods," he said.

If citizens do encounter a matter where it appears that someone is impersonating law enforcement, they should call 911, Harris said.

But local police will not interfere with federal activities, he said.

"I understand the lingering fear in the community," Harris said. "I would tell [citizens] to defer to their own feelings, understand what's going on around them."

He added that federal immigration activities in Pasadena have not impeded local police efforts or response times. There have been no arrests, property damage or violence related to protests against the immigration sweeps in Pasadena, officials said.

About an hour's drive inland in Fontana, the lack of clarity is making work harder for local police who have been mistaken for federal immigration agents.

Officers investigating a recent burglary were mistaken for federal immigration agents over social media, Fontana Police Sgt. Nathan Weiske said.

In another instance, undercover officers were confronted by protesters who thought they were conducting surveillance for an immigration sweep.

"It is not safe for our officers, or for others involved in any active police operations if misrepresentations or misunderstandings lead to inappropriate engagement," Fontana Police Chief Michael Dorsey said in a Facebook post.

In some parts of the Southland, the response to the immigration raids can be swift and fierce.

In Bell, masked men in fatigues detained at least three people at a car wash, drawing a large protest.

Dozens of people swarmed the area and shouted at the agents, “Are you a bounty hunter? How much is the bounty for an illegal right now?” questioning their identities.

Video showed the men, wearing fatigues and balaclavas and carrying long weapons, fire tear gas to disperse the crowd so they could leave. The Department of Homeland Security said Border Patrol vehicles were damaged during the incident.

Huntington Park Mayor Arturo Flores calls the federal government's presence in the region "political theater" meant to antagonize the Latino population.

Flores plans to introduce a motion to the City Council that will direct local police to ask federal agents to identify themselves if they attempt to carry out an immigration operation in the city.

"What happens if you have bad actors who decide to throw on an olive drab outfit and go around abducting people?" Flores told The Times. "I would not ask our officers to interfere with federal matters. But we have to be prepared to hold these agencies accountable for their actions. There's a tragedy waiting to happen."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-masked-immigration-agents-sow-100000525.html


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So how is the public supposed to know when it's ICE or when someone is being kidnapped? Should you simply make that determination based on whether it appears the person in question is brown or not?


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