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I never said it was alright.

I don't know if the person has a visa for themself or one that includes their family. Either way, the family needs to leave on time or shouldn't be here at all.

As for what happened in Nashville, I don't know if it happened or not. I don't pay much attention to Nashville news. If you say it happened, I will take your word. Nothing here has gone on like that.

Let me say this. I empathize. I think I have already made that clear. I don't sympathize. While somewhat close in definition, they aren't always the same..
If they came here illegally, they have always known something like this could happen. It's not my fault they put their family members in jeopardy of being separated. Just because previous administration didn't do much this isn't this administrations fault, but it is their problem.

To be honest, I don't think this would be anywhere near the issue it is today had the last administration not allowed unfettered access across an open border.

People just butt heads in this forum. None of us are going to adopt the position of the other.

I ain't buying into the "I'm masked to protect my family" Crap... They are ashamed of what they are doing.

Bush, Obama and Biden all expelled more folks than Trump has in his first and so far in his second term.... And they didn't have to blow off the constitution to accomplish it.

They followed the law as it was written.

Like I said, this is a show that trump puts on. Nothing more and nothing less. Everything with him is Show Business.

By the way, who's killing who. All I've seen so far is Righty's killing people. That is another one of those made up crap storms.

If only Biden would have tried to get legislation passed to help ...

Sure - Trump has ruled like a King with a slew of executive orders and didn't need legislation. True, Trump has let loose masked gangs in black who don't identify themselves and these gangs have terrorized some communities and the "problem" is curtailed. And no doubt in your eyes the ends justify the means. But if you could humour me - and humour Jester:

1. What is the problem with the illegals specifically? They contribute to our economy and offend less than your acerage US citizen.
2. What justification do you have for the Reupblicans preventing Biden from passing legislation to help with the border crossings - and then use his lack of impact on the border as a means to justify what Trump has done peeing all over the constitution?

The worst part of this is that stats verify what you are saying, but Facts be damned.

The admin's actions don't line up with this at all.

You don't have to go that far back in this very thread to find the article where US servicemembers' spouses have been deported. After that, there was an Afghan interpreter who helped American troops (and I'm assuming was brought to the US to avoid retribution in their home country for giving said help.

Our immigration (the legal process many use to IMMIGRATE to this country) is broken... it takes many years (and a decent chunk of money) to legally immigrate and become a permanent resident. There has been absolutely ZERO done to fix this. You've got a legal process so convoluted and broken that it requires years and a team of lawyers to navigate, and then if/when time runs out on that process, you have a rabid dog (Homan) that's trying to meet an arbitrary quota of shipping out humans. So intentional or not, you are talking out both sides of your mouth on this... and that's not even considering the legal programs that were canceled that brought vetted, sponsored individuals here that were artificially made illegal overnight by said program cancellations.

We didn't need new legislation. We already have immigration laws. It's funny how illegal crossing are down to a trickle as compared to a year ago. Desire to enforce is all it took.

Here is a good read on costs.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meetin...G-118-JU01-Wstate-CamarotaS-20240111.pdf

I've posted articles for this numerous times. The program was arbitrarily canceled... with no warning. Those TPP programs have an expiration date (I believe in this case it was 3 years, but I don't remember that part for sure and I'm not looking it up again).

Burying your head in the sand and/or not putting 2 and 2 together may be convenient, but it doesn't make for an effective argument.

So by your own numbers, 2 out of the 100 were "violent criminals", and less than half had felonies. Per my previous arguments on here, I would LOVE to know the rest of the "immigration violations" included.

You said they were collateral damage and hand-waved it away.

I think they are masked up because they are trying to sow maximal amounts of fear

Empathize means you understand the thoughts/feelings of another, and if this conversation has taught me anything, is that the deportation crowd does not understand some of the key contributing factors in this debate. You all also don't seem to understand that the story we're getting from this admin significantly deviates from reality in a few key areas (the characterization of the majority of the people we are deporting, being the primary one... as well as the contributing factors to not being able to secure permanent residence here).

You do realize this is in no way what he said. He was speaking about people that are here illegally. That if a farmer "vouches for them" they can stay. People here legally wouldn't need a farmer to "vouch for them" to be allowed to stay.


'We want to be a partner with ICE': Lee explains THP role in traffic stops in Nashville

Gov. Lee confirms state cooperation as troopers conduct 369 traffic stops at federal request, resulting 94 people detained for being undocumented.

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/w...s-thp-role-in-traffic-stops-in-nashville

So out of 369 stops they made 94 arrests. And you know many if not most of those vehicles had more than one person in them. So this involved questioning well over 500 people. So no more and probably less than 1 out of 5 people they confronted were illegal. The only thing they were "targeting" is "brown people".


I have no idea how you could say something like this. Did you already forget that the first time he ran his main platform was to build a border wall? He went on and on and on about it. He said Mexico would pay for it. That was before Biden. Come on man.

It’s important to the Mega crowd because they don’t look like them. They arre sub-human. They are taking over their neighborhoods, their jobs, their shops and businesses. And damn they work harder and pray harder and have better family values than the Mega crowd. They want them gone, all of them.

I live in what I would describe an upper middle class, majority Republican neighborhood in a suburb of Nashville. One neighbor who lives below us is so MAGA he flew the flag upside down after Biden won in 2020. Flew a trump flag at his house. But so far I have yet to see any of these people have anything but immigrants who can't speak English doing their remodeling work, roofing their homes or doing their landscaping. I can't make a blanket statement as to how it works everywhere but that's how it works here. It's the old "Do as I say not as I do" crowd.

Exactly. same here. I do my own yard work. But nearly everyone around us uses the mostly Hispanic work force for that. There is one house in our neighborhood with a handicap person in a wheelchair. They had been flying the trump flag for a couple years now. The day after the BBB passed, I noticed it wasn’t flying anymore. I’m betting someone in the household is on Medicaid. Damn freeloaders.

Trump has advocated for/supported violence and it's (at best) ignored, but some random talking head says something similar and you're clutching pearls.

Can't have it both ways.

Oh but they think they can.

Advocating violence by either side is just wrong. there's no two ways about that. That's what those on the fringe of both sides do. It's just not normal for people to elect someone on the fringe to be our president.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/aoc-red-light-district-ruled-violent-migrant-gang-taken-down-feds

This is how ICE and other government agencies can make a difference and improve the lives of everyone.

And if criminals were what they were targeting that would be great! But so far they can't even seem to figure out who the gang members are and who they aren't. Rounding people up waiting to be day laborers isn't helping. Arresting farm workers at vegetable farms isn't helping. Rounding up workers at meat processing plants isn't helping. Randomly stopping hundreds of cars in one small location in a few hours while only finding something illegal in about 1 in 5 encounters isn't helping. And articles like the one you posted avoid mentioning those things by trying to pretend that's not what's really happening here.

I can't think of a single person who doesn't want actual criminals removed. But then some of us don't think traffic tickets or being caught with a little weed makes you a criminal in need of deportation. Some use that too as an excuse to deport people. Now you can get back to your usual line of "They're all criminals because they came here illegally!" line....

And for each of those, there's one of these.
Cinci Children's Chaplain

By all accounts, this dude is the poster child of people we want immigrating to the US. US govt (going back multiple admins) has fumbled his visa situation and immigration process at just about every step.


Nobody is arguing against what you posted in your link. The issue with the current admin's aggressive stance is the example I'm showing here.

Federal judge issues new nationwide block against Trump’s order seeking to end birthright citizenship

A federal judge agreed Thursday to issue a new nationwide block against President Donald Trump’s executive order seeking to end birthright citizenship.

The ruling from US District Judge Joseph Laplante is significant because the Supreme Court last month curbed the power of lower court judges to issue nationwide injunctions, while keeping intact the ability of plaintiffs to seek a widespread block of the order through class action lawsuits, which is what happened Thursday in New Hampshire.

Ruling from the bench, Laplante granted a request from immigration rights attorneys to certify a nationwide class that “will be comprised only of those deprived of citizenship” and issued a preliminary injunction indefinitely blocking Trump’s Day One order from being enforced against born and unborn babies who would be impacted by the policy.

“The preliminary injunction is just not a close call to the court,” Laplante said during a hearing. “The deprivation of US citizenship and an abrupt change of policy that was longstanding … that’s irreparable harm.”

US citizenship, the judge added, “is the greatest privilege that exists in the world.”

The judge, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, said he would pause his order for several days to give the Trump administration time to appeal his decision.

Laplante’s ruling could prove to be a critical bulwark against Trump’s policy as other courts scramble to take a second look at their decisions in light of the Supreme Court’s ruling.

In February, Laplante indefinitely blocked the Trump administration from enforcing the order only against members of several nonprofit groups who would have been impacted by it.

“I’m the judge who wasn’t comfortable with issuing a nationwide injunction. Class action is different,” the judge said at one point during Thursday’s hearing. “The Supreme Court suggested class action is a better option.”

In his ruling earlier this year, Laplante said Trump’s order “contradicts the text of the Fourteenth Amendment and the century-old untouched precedent that interprets it.”

Several other judges similarly ruled that Trump’s order was unconstitutional, but their injunctions applied nationwide and prompted the administration to mount the series of appeals that eventually landed before the Supreme Court.

Thursday’s proceeding focused largely on the request from immigration rights attorneys who brought the legal challenge for Laplante to certify a class of individuals that would include “all current and future children” who would be affected by Trump’s order, and their parents. The judge’s ruling Thursday did not include the parents in the class.

The judge appeared sympathetic to arguments pushed by the Justice Department that certifying a class including the parents might run up against the federal rules regarding class certification if those adults each had immigration situations that were significantly different from another adult in the class.

DOJ attorney Eric Hamilton had wanted the judge to allow for discovery so more information could be gathered on the adults who are part of the legal challenge, but the judge, aware of the urgency of the litigation, noted that such court-ordered fact-finding wouldn’t be feasible.

“You’re right, (ordinarily) we’d conduct discovery before granting class certification,” Laplante said. “There’s no time for discovery.”

“No court in the country has agreed with the administration on the underlying constitutional question. Every court has said that this order is unconstitutional, and so we expect to prevail on that question,” said Cody Wofsy, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney who helped bring the pair of New Hampshire cases. “The issue before the court on Thursday is ultimately just: procedurally, how are we going to ensure that every single child is protected?”

Class action lawsuits require “class representatives,” or individuals who, if the class is certified, will represent the class members.

In this case, those proposed representatives had included a Honduran asylum-seeker – referred to in court papers as “Barbara” – who is living in New Hampshire and expecting a baby in October, and a Brazilian man – referred to as “Mark” – who is attempting to get lawful permanent status. Mark’s wife – who is not in the US lawfully – gave birth in March.

“If the Order is left in place,” the lawyers wrote, “those children will face numerous obstacles to life in the United States, including stigma and potential statelessness; loss of their right to vote, serve on federal juries and in many elected offices, and work in various federal jobs; ineligibility for various federal programs; and potential arrest, detention, and deportation to countries they may have never even seen.”

Signed by Trump on January 20, the executive order, titled “PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP,” said that the federal government will not “issue documents recognizing United States citizenship” to any children born on American soil to parents who were in the country unlawfully or were in the states lawfully but temporarily.

The Supreme Court said in its June 27 ruling that the administration cannot begin enforcing the order for 30 days, though the government is allowed to begin developing guidance on how the policy will be implemented.

In the other challenges to Trump’s order, lower courts around the country have asked the parties to submit written legal arguments addressing how the Supreme Court’s ruling could impact the nationwide injunctions issued in those cases, and more court proceedings are expected in the coming days and weeks.

But that process will take time and it’s unclear whether any of those courts will narrow their injunctions ahead of when Trump is permitted to enforce the birthright policy.

“I feel like we’re the only people who rushed around here,” Laplante quipped during Thursday’s hearing.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/10/politics/birthright-citizenship-hearing-rhode-island

This is an instance where trump is trying to "create" illegal immigrants that are natural born citizens according to the constitution. No president has the authority to rewrite the constitution. Only a dictator would think they do and only those who support a dictator would agree.

ICE Is So Out of Control, They Tried to Raid a Kids’ Baseball Practice
Ellie Quinlan Houghtaling
Fri, July 11, 2025 at 12:51 PM EDT
3 min read

Then they came for the children: even in self-designated sanctuary cities such as Manhattan, apparently no one is safe from the ire of federal immigration agents under the Trump administration.

Youman Wilder, a baseball coach for middle and high school students, was leading a group of 11 kids through batting cage practice near 72nd Street in Riverside Park last month when he caught ICE agents interrogating some of the minors.

“I go over quickly and the agents are asking the kids inappropriate things like where they are from, their country of origin, so I say, ‘Whoa, whoa,’ and I tell the officers that their questions are inappropriate, and that I’m going to tell my kids not to answer them,” Wilder told the West Side Rag.

Wilder said the officers identified themselves as ICE agents, were armed with guns and tasers, and had “ICE” printed across the front of their tactical vests.

The coach—who received his master’s degree in law—told the kids that they didn’t need to answer the agents’ questions, instructing them to instead line up on the opposite side of the batting cages. But ICE didn’t like that: Wilder said that’s when one of the agents raised their voice at him, accusing him of being a “YouTube lawyer.”

“I said no, I just know how the Constitution works,” Wilder told Eyewitness News.

But the agents continued to threaten him, per Wilder, talking about cuffing the coach and openly questioning what the kids would “have to lose by answering” if they were in the U.S. legally. “I told them that they still have their Fifth and Fourth Amendment rights, and that they don’t have to speak to you or help with any investigation,” Wilder told the Rag.

All the kids, according to Wilder, were born in the U.S. and are U.S. citizens, born to parents from Africa, South America, and Mexico.

“It’s all about civics. If you don’t know your rights, they will trample on them,” Wilder told the Rag. The coach also expressed his shock and dismay at the amount of people who watched the interaction but failed to intervene.

“There were people watching and the agents were telling them to move back, that they would be arrested for interfering, and not to take pictures,” Wilder told the Rag. “The worst thing is that the six or seven people who were watching, followed their orders!”

“I never in my life thought this was going to happen in the Upper West Side in New York City,” Wilder told Eyewitness News. “That whole thing, until it happens to you, you’re not aware? It happened to us.”

Wilder has since changed the location and practice times for his team, but some kids and their parents have been so rattled by the event that they haven’t returned to practice.

“I knew that they could arrest me, but I knew that they couldn’t keep me,” he said. “My whole thing is that I’m African American, and most of my kids are Latino and Black, so it was all about how do I get these kids home. I never raised my voice. I just talked about the law. And I was just focused on how can I get these kids to where they need to go, when they are in my care.”

Wilder was “the only thing that stood between those kids in Riverside Park and a Florida detention center buried deep in the Everglades,” Upper West Side Assemblymember Linda Rosenthal wrote in a newsletter earlier this month. Rosenthal told Eyewitness News that Wilder was right to intervene and had the legal authority to do so.

Although President Donald Trump has heaped endless praise on the federal deportation agency, ICE agents have reportedly never been so miserable, forced to primarily detain noncriminal immigrants in order to meet their quota: 3,000 arrests per day, per Homeland Security adviser Stephen Miller’s demands.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ice-control-tried-raid-kids-165101060.html

What justification?? Really. How about it was crummy legislation? I broke that legislation do n months ago. Too many loser provisions.

But beyond that could you point out to me the legislation that has been passed to helped Trump control the border. I’ll save you some time. There hasn’t been any. Could you compare for me the order today to the border one year, two years, three years ago.

After you did that if it isn’t clear to you that we did not need legislation to control the border it is because you do not want it to be clear. All we needed was a president who cared about the border as most American people do. Biden did not. Trump does.

Law is law. An executive order can be reversed the moment another president is elected. Trump doesn't write laws. At least not yet. But he's working on that. Tell me why you think it's okay for armed ICE officers go to children's baseball practice fully armed and interrogate children? How you think it's right to go into neighborhoods and randomly pull over almost 400 cars? What the hell is wrong with you people?

And secondly Republicans were willing to pass that immigration legislation until trump told them not to. They thought it was fine. It was a bipartisan bill written by Republicans and Democrats. One Republican blurted the truth out loud. He plainly said the reason he would vote against it was because he didn't want to make Biden the democrats look like they addressed immigration brfore the election. I posted it when he said it. Would you like for me to post it again for you?

I saw this morning that fat nixon put out a post last night that he has directed ice/homeland security to stop protests/vandalism of govt cars by "any means necessary".

I for one thought for sure this and much more will happen and we are still in the early innings of this ballgame

Federal immigration authorities said Saturday they arrested more than 300 immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally in raids Thursday on two California cannabis farm sites as protesters engaged in a tense standoff with authorities during an operation at one of the farms. One farm worker also died after sustaining injuries during one of the raids, a family member of the victim confirmed to CBS News Saturday.

A senior official with the Department of Homeland Security said a total of 319 arrests were made by federal agents Thursday at the two cannabis farms.

In a previous statement Friday, DHS said that authorities executed criminal search warrants in Carpinteria and Camarillo, California, on Thursday. They arrested immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally, and there were also at least 10 immigrant children on site, the statement said.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection were both part of the operation, Friday's statement said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-t...on-raids-southern-california-farms-feds/

So be it, the death toll begins, along with the horrific concentration camp in Florida.

Is the border controlled?? Did we dump 0, yes 0, unvetted illegals not our country in May and June?? Both questions are a big yes!! Did Biden dump 50,60,70 thousand unvetted illegals into our country many months? Answer is yes!

And you are whining about how Trump is doing it. Most Americans are saying yahoo!!! You lefties are just peeood that Trump is doing what you said couldn’t be done.

Get over it!!

Nobody is whining about it being done. Stating the facts that immigration law can only be enacted via congress is factual. Only in trumplandia is stating the facts considered whining.

So do you support that hundreds of people get pulled over in a few hours in a single neighborhood in traffic stops based solely on the color of their skin? Do you support armed ICE officers going to children's baseball practice and interrogating children?

If so it seems you would think it's perfectly acceptable to cut off a persons hand because their finger is in infected. I mean you got rid of the infection, right? If by lefties you mean people who still actually stand for the rule of law and civil rights, guilty as charged.

You believe in trampling on those things just to get what you want. This could all have been done with an immigration bill. But you and your kind would rather see some dimwitted bully and wannabe king do it instead. That's why your kind now stands for Murica and Freedumb.

Don't worry, you got the dictator you deserve.......

Trump threatens to take away Rosie O'Donnell's U.S. citizenship

The president on Saturday threatened to revoke comedian Rosie O'Donnell's U.S. citizenship, something he cannot legally do.

“Because of the fact that Rosie O’Donnell is not in the best interests of our Great Country, I am giving serious consideration to taking away her Citizenship. She is a Threat to Humanity, and should remain in the wonderful Country of Ireland, if they want her. GOD BLESS AMERICA!” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social on Saturday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...rosie-odonnell-us-citizenship-rcna218457

Do as trump says. Say only what trump approves of and never say anything negative about trump. Or ELSE!

A dictator doesn't care about what's legal or not. Neither do those who support a dictator.

No it could not have been done with an immigration bill because you looney lefties would have demanded amnesty for a large group of people here illegally. Not gonna fly with the majority of Americans.

My advice, if you are here illegally use the app and self deport. That gives you an excellent chance to come back.

But if you pick up a rock and throw it at an officer, after you serve your time you are outta here, never to return.

This large scale deportation effort would not have been necessary if you lefties hadn’t elected a president who did not give a crap about our border. Who welcomed 100-200 invaders who were on the terrorist Watch list. Who welcomed thousands of gang members. Who welcomed thousands who were criminals in their own country. Who dumped 10-15 million unvetted illegals from radically different cultures than our own into our great country. Foisted them on innocent Americans. It is because of that President that this broad scale effort has been taken.

Please pay attention. Republicans were going to vote to pass that immigration bill until trump told them not to. One even admitted the reason he refused to vote for it was that he didn't want immigration fixed while Biden was president. How many people did that bill provide amnesty for? I mean if you're just going to puke word vomit at least be willing to back it up.

Reagan pardoned over 2 million immigrants who were here illegally. I notice you dodged every question I asked you.....


Could you at least try to hold an adult conversation on this issue rather than continuing to repeat GOP talking points? Or are you unable to address my questions and expand beyond that?

One president didn’t write the laws on immigration bro. But go ahead and write your own history while we laugh.

I try with you but you would rather ignore everything. Is the border under control? Yes? Have we stopped dumping unvetted illegals into our country? Yes. No immigration law was going to pass both houses while 70,000 unvetted illegals were being dumped on America every month. Border security had to be first and we have it. Now we have to get the illegals out, then we rewrite immigration law.

How about we start with all criminal illegals and all the 15 million or so Biden dumped in here. Then we see how things shake out.

Did we arrest illegals with those activities? Is that our goal? If you want to avoid this stuff , next time you vote for a president make sure he actually believes in an American border and will defend it.

I did a quickie read of that bill and it would have done virtually nothing about the 25 million or so illegals who have broken into our country. It involved things at the border, things that it turns out we did not need to deal with the Biden border crisis.

That is about as adult as I get. You just do not like hearing the truth.

Where did I’d say one president wrote immigration law, bro.

And once again you dodged every question you were asked. Typical trumpian. That's exactly what I expected. Murica!

If you read that bill you would know better than the BS you're posting. Once again...... How many people did that bill provide amnesty for?

If you're going to make accusations at least be willing to back them up.