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I really dont care what you are buying Daman, because I’m not selling. But I do know this. A week or so ago 10 or 15 punk thugs tried to lure ICE agents out of their facility so they could gun them down. And you in your infinite wisdom don’t think ICE agents should be concerned about having their names and home addresses put out there by your lefty looney buddies. Or maybe you just don’t care.

Very well could be the reason. Like I said, for Trump and the MAGA crowd everything is about show business

Just so I am clear, are you asking what I think of the ICE operation in conjunction with the MHP to identify people here illegally and detain. The operation in Minneapolis in early June. I assume that is the one. Well since they arrested 11 illegals who were convicted child rapists I say good for them. I read about it a month ago. Seems like they pulled over about 500 vehicles for a variety of traffic violations. If their immigration status was questionable an ICE agent questioned them. I believe 100 of them were arrested because of their immigration status and a number of others had criminal records.

I guess if your position is that those pedophiles should still be on the street I’ll just have to vote no.

Amnesty in the Biden bill. Just to review. Over the past 25 years or so there have been multiple attempts to pass “comprehensive immigration reform “. The last I remember was the “gang of eight” back 12-15 years ago.Ohio governor Dewine was a senator then and he was in that group. Just as with each of the attempts to pass CIR an amnesty proposal was involved. Each attempt was shot down to a large degree because Americans are totally opposed to amnesty for illegals who have broken into our country.

That brings us to the Biden border proposal. It was not,nor was it portrayed, as CIR. It was a bill to address the crisis going on at the border at that time. A crisis brought to us by Biden and the lefties. At that time Biden was dumping 50,000-70,000 unvetted illegals into our country. Now that did not bother him ,mind you, but his poll numbers on border security did. So he kept saying, as did you, that we needed to pass this legislation to deal with the border crisis. Of course that was a lie and Trump has shown it to be such.

So the answer to your question is there was no amnesty in the border bill because it was not a comprehensive immigration reform bill.

We are never going to agree because no matter how we proceed to get illegals out the country you will oppose it. You want people who broke into our country illegally to stay. I want them to go home.

Check to see who deported more folks. Biden, Obama or Trump..... Do that exercise. Then come and talk to me

I am absolutely slammed at work right now, but I wanted to drop this here.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...ion-have-changed-since-trump-took-office

I heard about it briefly on my drive in (again, before I had to switch over to a call). It's a (potentially) interesting wrinkle to the ongoing debate.


I posted what I assumed to be the most honest take I could quickly find (there were articles from MSNBC and the like which I ignored). I need to do an actual read before I share my thoughts, but wanted others to have a gander while I do that.

There was no "Biden border proposal". That's simply a lie. That bill was written and negotiated by both Republicans and Democrats and Biden had no involvement in writing that immigration bill.

It was most certainly a comprehensive bill. We will never agree because you won't tell the truth.

It's funny how you keep railing about "illegal"and the law while you helped elect a man who was convicted on 34 felony counts. You only care about the law when it comes to brown people. You'll elect a convicted felon if it's one of your own.

Once again you claim the bill had amnesty included but refuse to show where it did. Typical trumpian.

At least you admit you don't care if 500 people get pulled over randomly and harassed as long as they get some guilty people out of the group when they're brown people. And if you actually believe they found legitimate traffic violations to the degree they had probable cause to pull over 500 people in a few hours in a single neighborhood, someone probably sold you ocean front property in Arizona too.

And no, I was talking about what happened here in Nashville. But as you helped point out, it happens in different cities all the time. They just go around pulling over brown people to see if they can find anything. But you go ahead and support that BS.

And in your twisted mind, the fact that I want everyone to have due process, that I am against racial profiling and I don't think ICE should be interrogating children, that must mean I want people who came here illegally to stay. What I want is for them to be legally deported and not for all brown people to be a target and the law broken to deport them. You know, just like any other human beings. We have a man convicted on 34 felony counts sitting ion the White House and all you can do is obsess over brown people.

I believe much of that change has come from watching what is happening. Sometimes even in their own communities. What they thought would happen based on what they were told and believed verses what they're seeing. The standard line they were told is that trump was going to remove "the bad guys". They were told the criminals would be targeted. But that's not what they're witnessing with their own eyes.

What they're seeing is that hard working men and women that have done no harm are targets as well. That ICE is going into businesses, making random sweeps of traffic stops without cause, families being divided, trump going after birthright citizenship which is directly counter to the constitution. They see the extremism involved. They see the cruelty involved. It's all a bridge too far for many. As it should be.

When your own actions are even worse than the people you are trying to remove, at that point who are really the criminals?

That is an interesting point, Daman. I think Obama was known as deporter in chief so I will pick him. I think it was during Obama years that I saw on the news multiple raids on meat packing plants. Illegals were identified, rounded up and carted away, I assume to be deported. What I do not remember is a bunch of looney lefties thugs rioting and throwing rocks at law enforcement. Do you remember any. I don’t. I wonder why.

I also do not remember district court judges trying to stop his efforts to deport. If they did I have forgotten it.

I am not interested enough to research this but I think media coverage was probably a lot different.

Now Obama had 8 years so hopefully Trump will pass him and take the crown as deported in chief.

It's because during the Obama administration they got this silly little thing called "due process". You know, that thing the constitution guarantees to anyone living within our borders. They also weren't out pulling over hundreds of brown people in a fishing expedition. You know, racial profiling. It's because Obama wasn't sending them to foreign prisons based on claims that those immigrants never had due process to challenge in court.

The very things I've been telling you about during this entire thread. The differences are very easy to see for anyone who actually wants to open their eyes and look.

People want to argue this and it's a legit argument on the surface. My issue when folks (usually GOP) argue the merits of the proposed bill is that it was never given any serious debate after it was presented. Biden was getting killed on the border issue, and Republicans had Dems by the balls... which is why Dems were already conceding far more than they ever had on the issue. And instead of taking advantage and getting more out of Dems and codifying it into law... they did nothing (other than continue to use it in their culture war).

Dems have done little to nothing on addressing the border, but then it was the GOP that shut down the one time they would have.

Long story short, polling is showing the Americans opinions on the border issue could be dramatically shifting. It was an issue that (one could argue) won Trump the election, and polling showed that people were picking up what Trump and GOP was putting down in terms of the state of the border coming out of the Biden admin.

Now it seems that opinion is turning. If true, it would be a dramatic turn given it's over a pretty short amount of time... and it looks like that that dramatic turn is being driven by Republican voters (democrats always polled pretty pro-immigration, so a shift would, by definition, have to come from Independents and Republicans).


I'm not going to re-hash the article (it's a short read), but I would argue that what this poll shows is less of folks losing their taste for cracking down on illegal aliens, and more a message that current admin is missing the mark. I would argue that people never wanted the gangs of jackbooted thugs that ICE is becoming known for; but rather wanted actual immigration reform. Nobody wants to deport people like the Cinci Childrens chaplain because (long story short) his immigration process has taken about a decade and is still unresolved. I think people realize that it's not the immigrants fault (notice I'm saying immigrant and not alien here) that our government can't accomplish anything over a reasonable amount of time, and disagree with the rule-followers paying the price.

I can't say I disagree with a word of that. The perfect opportunity was there to pass into law a comprehensive and responsible immigration bill and it was squandered. All for the sake of political posturing. Not that the democrats are beyond using those same tactics when it comes to other issues. IMO that's the biggest reason we the people are not truly being served by either party.

From what I know, it was Obama..

Now, for extra credit, tell me what the difference was between what Obama did and what Trump is doing!

It's too bad that some of those folks didn't catch on to what Trump was planning so they could have voted against him.

I think many people were against the inaction that was tied to the Biden admin. I (personally) don't disagree with that feeling... though you can certainly make an argument against voting based on that feeling alone.

Maybe I'm off-base, but I think people want a solution/end to the immigration issue and are tired of inaction. Trump filled that want with a lot of bluster and perceived action (aggressive enforcement), and while enforcing laws is never a bad thing, he went overboard and also managed to skip over the actual issue (the laws and processes involved in legal immigration/asylum/etc and removing people that legit shouldn't be here).

I think Trump did good in recognizing that people want something done on this issue, but missed the mark in what he's choosing to do.