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Good answer when you have nothing. Let’s play a game here. I’ll give you two statements, both ostensibly true. You tell me which of the statements was true and which statement was censored.

#1- natural immunity is not as effective as vaccine acquired immunity so you need to get the shot even if you had the virus and no matter what your blood antibody level.

#2- natural immunity is at least as effective and probably more effective and longer lasting than vaccine acquired immunity. If you had the virus and you have a good antibody level you do not need the shot.

Can you tell me where that first statement came from? Who it was that made that statement? Can you show where anyone pressured that first statement be made? Because that's the argument you've been making.

So...some believe that the people (Congress) responsible for where we are presently (with the ridiculous spending, fraud & waste) also believe that those same people (Congress) should be the ones leading the charge to clean up the ridiculous spending.

Ooops...I thought I was in the Pure Football Forum...my bad.

Well it's only in the constitution that congress has the power of the purse. (spending) But we shouldn't let a little thing like the constitution get in the way, right?

See, this is part of the problem, who are you to decide whether or not someone is qualified for a position?

Joe Biden wasn't qualified to be President of the United States. Alejandro Mayorkas sure as HELL was NOT qualified to be Director of Homeland Security. He wasn't fit to run a lemonade stand and a ten year old could have done a better than that guy.

Personally I think the Democrats have a deep over trust in government and over reliance in them as a whole. They are fine with the status quo and believe what they are told every step of the way. I'm not really sure why...whether or not they count on certain programs, gifts, money, something they receive from the government, I'm just don't get it. Why aren't they willing to admit when things are wrong? Why were there no audits of programs under Biden? Why? Didn't they care?

Maybe they like to ignore the corruption and past wrong doings because they can't fathom the truth that their side is bad just like the rest of them. The documents are out there of past corruption, programs that actively go against US citizens, special operations that are carried out regardless of which party is in power. They have the audacity to think that long service in government can somehow be used as a barometer of whether or not someone is competent or qualified for the job. This is absolute nonsense! In fact, the longer someone has been in government the more likely they are to be corrupt and fully engulfed in the machine.

Back when this country started all the people appointed to positions came from regular professions such as teachers, blacksmiths cooks, etc. Just because someone has a different life experience doesn't mean that they are any less capable of making sound decisions. In fact their decisions are often better because they're more in touch with the every day man and what regular people are going through. I'd be perfectly fine if 100% of congress were fired tomorrow and replaced by every day folks. Not one person should be scared of that...If you are then I think you should re-evaluate your thoughts about government.

This is how you tell us you haven't been paying attention while you haven't been paying attention.


Biden was elected, not appointed. Musk was appointed.


Yet he was confirmed by the senate and Musk was not.


While you haven't admitted many of the things trump has done since he has been elected is wrong? Or the fact that musk Musk "donated" 270 million dollars to the trump campaign to buy his power.


If you are speaking about the first trump presidency from 2016 - 2020 and America didn't learn anything from it then we agree. It's not that we "trust" the government. It's that we fact check things to see who it is that's really lying. You may find that helpful.


So they didn't have billions in government contracts or donated 270 million to presidential campaigns in order to buy their power in government? You're comparing apples to oranges while trying to make them sound the same. They're not.

Where did I say ANYTHING about Congress' authority over spending? You are seeing things that aren't there...again.

When you stop spending that congress has already approved you are in fact overriding congress and their function of having the control of spending. Maybe it's just that you didn't understand the ramifications of what you posted.

In the immortal words of Cris Carter……. Cmon man!!! Of course you won’t answer so I will. First , the second statement is the true statement. Natural immunity is more effective and longer lasting than vaccine acquired immunity. Numerous studies show that to be a true statement.

Second, which statement was censored? Sadly the Feds pressured the social media sites to keep that information from the public. They censored the truth. And you don’t care.

Fauci and the cdc during 20 and 21 expressed numerous times that people should not rely on natural immunity and should get the shot even if they had gotten the virus. And they demonstrated that with their vaccine mandates. They mandated our military get the vaccine and never once said unless you have had the virus. They discharged our service people for refusing the vaccine and many of them had had the virus.

Clearly the people running the show believed natural immunity was not effective. And they were wrong.

You censorship advocates just can’t admit that censoring truth is a bad idea. Btw there are many examples of the same thing happening, not that you care.

So you can't provide any source that confirms that one statement you quoted was forced or coerced to be stated by the government. Instead you just ramble on with no varification to support it. Got it.

You do realize that natural immunity only works in people that have already had Covid don't you? And you do realize how many people died when they got covid don't you?

Dear Lord man.

Coming from a card carrying member of Cult of Trump whose media darling/partner wanted to Flood the Zone with excrement so no one knows whats true or BS .... Your post belongs in the Political Jokes thread.

Oh geez Louise. What am I dealing with here???

Where did I say anywhere that someone was forced or coerced to say vaccine immunity was more effective than natural acquired immunity. Where?? Nowhere!!!

I said social media was coerced to prevent publication of the fact that natural immunity is more effective than vaccine immunity so if you have had the virus and have good antibodies you do not need the vaccine!! Ya got it or is this too complex for you??

And you are surely not implying that I think healthy people should walk thru the covid ward to get the virus so they have natural immunity. Implying that would be the height of ___. To paraphrase my friend Tucker , at first I thought you were pretending to be ____, but now I’m not so sure.

Dude, you actually have been saying the government forced people to say things and then posed a question with two statements in it. If you weren't trying to claim the statement was coerced WTH were to trying to say? You just said it again in your last post and then said that's not what you were saying?

The vast majority of people had not had covid. They had no natural immunity and many of them who contracted Covid died because of it. You didn't have to walk through a covid ward to get covid. Millions of people got covid without doing that. As er usual you have become unhinged.

Which statement said anything about somebody being forced to say it?? Answer neither. Look you made a very specific accusation, that I said something. Now you are weaseling around because you now realize I did not say any such thing. So the question now is…. Did you accuse me while knowing full well I did not say it. That would be lying, or did you just make a mistake. Only you know the truth.

Could you explain to me what anything in that second paragraph has to do with acknowledging that natural immunity is and always has been effective and that people who had the virus and had the antibodies did not need the vaccine. All that is so evident to almost everyone but you.

Your entire premise going into those questions was that the government was forcing people to say things and pressuring social media. You then posted those questions asking me which one was true and which one wasn't. I realize exactly what you were saying based on the context of the conversation. And so does everyone else. Pay attention net time. The only one trying to weasel out of that is you.

Show me where I said government was forcing people to say things. I am wracking my brain to think of a context where I would believe that and say it. I’m coming up with nothing. So I am confident I did not was and unless you can show an example where I did then you are just spreading a lie…..again.

Now the coercion of Facebook et al was real and indisputable. So I did say that .

So again, show me where I said government was forcing people to say things. Otherwise you are just making things up.

Right here.

The Trump Administration Is About to Incinerate 500 Tons of Emergency Food
Hana Kiros
Mon, July 14, 2025 at 10:21 PM EDT
6 min read


Five months into its unprecedented dismantling of foreign-aid programs, the Trump administration has given the order to incinerate food instead of sending it to people abroad who need it. Nearly 500 metric tons of emergency food—enough to feed about 1.5 million children for a week—are set to expire tomorrow, according to current and former government employees with direct knowledge of the rations. Within weeks, two of those sources told me, the food, meant for children in Afghanistan and Pakistan, will be ash. (The sources I spoke with for this story requested anonymity for fear of professional repercussions.)

Sometime near the end of the Biden administration, USAID spent about $800,000 on the high-energy biscuits, one current and one former employee at the agency told me. The biscuits, which cram in the nutritional needs of a child under 5, are a stopgap measure, often used in scenarios where people have lost their homes in a natural disaster or fled a war faster than aid groups could set up a kitchen to receive them. They were stored in a Dubai warehouse and intended to go to the children this year.

Since January, when the Trump administration issued an executive order that halted virtually all American foreign assistance, federal workers have sent the new political leaders of USAID repeated requests to ship the biscuits while they were useful, according to the two USAID employees. USAID bought the biscuits intending to have the World Food Programme distribute them, and under previous circumstances, career staff could have handed off the biscuits to the United Nations agency on their own. But since Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency disbanded USAID and the State Department subsumed the agency, no money or aid items can move without the approval of the new heads of American foreign assistance, several current and former USAID employees told me. From January to mid-April, the responsibility rested with Pete Marocco, who worked across multiple agencies during the first Trump administration; then it passed to Jeremy Lewin, a law-school graduate in his 20s who was originally installed by DOGE and now has appointments at both USAID and State. Two of the USAID employees told me that staffers who sent the memos requesting approval to move the food never got a response and did not know whether Marocco or Lewin ever received them. (The State Department did not answer my questions about why the food was never distributed.)

In May, Secretary of State Marco Rubio told representatives on the House Appropriations Committee that he would ensure that food aid would reach its intended recipients before spoiling. But by then, the order to incinerate the biscuits (which I later reviewed) had already been sent. Rubio has insisted that the administration embraces America’s responsibility to continue saving foreign lives, including through food aid. But in April, according to NPR, the U.S. government eliminated all humanitarian aid to Afghanistan and Yemen, where, the State Department said at the time, providing food risks benefiting terrorists. (The State Department has offered no similar justification for pulling aid to Pakistan.) Even if the administration was unwilling to send the biscuits to the originally intended countries, other places—Sudan, say, where war is fueling the world’s worst famine in decades—could have benefited. Instead, the biscuits in the Dubai warehouse continue to approach their expiration date, after which their vitamin and fat content will begin to deteriorate rapidly. At this point, United Arab Emirates policy prevents the biscuits from even being repurposed as animal feed.

Over the coming weeks, the food will be destroyed at a cost of $130,000 to American taxpayers (on top of the $800,000 used to purchase the biscuits), according to current and former federal aid workers I spoke with. One current USAID staffer told me he’d never seen anywhere near this many biscuits trashed over his decades working in American foreign aid. Sometimes food isn’t stored properly in warehouses, or a flood or a terrorist group complicates deliveries; that might result in, at most, a few dozen tons of fortified foods being lost in a given year. But several of the aid workers I spoke with reiterated that they have never before seen the U.S. government simply give up on food that could have been put to good use.

The emergency biscuits slated for destruction represent only a small fraction of America’s typical annual investment in food aid. In fiscal year 2023, USAID purchased more than 1 million metric tons of food from U.S. producers. But the collapse of American foreign aid raises the stakes of every loss. Typically, the biscuits are the first thing that World Food Programme workers hand to Afghan families who are being forced out of Pakistan and back to their home country, which has been plagued by severe child malnutrition for years. Now the WFP can support only one of every 10 Afghans who are in urgent need of food assistance. The WFP projects that, globally, 58 million people are at risk for extreme hunger or starvation because this year, it lacks the money to feed them. Based on calculations from one of the current USAID employees I spoke with, the food marked for destruction could have met the nutritional needs of every child facing acute food insecurity in Gaza for a week.

Despite the administration’s repeated promises to continue food aid, and Rubio’s testimony that he would not allow existing food to go to waste, even more food could soon expire. Hundreds of thousands of boxes of emergency food pastes, also already purchased, are currently collecting dust in American warehouses. According to USAID inventory lists from January, more than 60,000 metric tons of food—much of it grown in America, and all already purchased by the U.S. government—were then sitting in warehouses across the world. That included 36,000 pounds of peas, oil, and cereal, which were stored in Djibouti and intended for distribution in Sudan and other countries in the Horn of Africa. A former senior official at USAID’s Bureau for Humanitarian Assistance told me that, by the time she’d left her job earlier this month, very little of the food seemed to have moved; one of the current USAID employees I spoke with confirmed her impression, though he noted that, in recent weeks, small shipments have begun leaving the Djibouti warehouse.


Such operations are more difficult for USAID to manage today than they were last year because many of the humanitarian workers and supply-chain experts who once coordinated the movement of American-grown food to hungry people around the world no longer have their jobs. Last month, the CEOs of the two American companies that make another kind of emergency food for malnourished children both told The New York Times that the government seemed unsure of how to ship the food it had already purchased. Nor, they told me, have they received any new orders. (A State Department spokesperson told me that the department had recently approved additional purchases, but both CEOs told me they have yet to receive the orders. The State Department has not responded to further questions about these purchases.) But even if the Trump administration decides tomorrow to buy more food aid—or simply distribute what the government already owns while the food is still useful—it may no longer have the capacity to make sure anyone receives it.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-incinerate-500-tons-022123377.html

So, aside from the "hate trump" slant, what I read is: Small portion of what the u.s. does, and "while still useful", meaning food expires. I can only imagine the headlines if that spoiled food was sent and people got sick.

Yes, the people that were formerly being paid to distribute the food are no longer employed to do so due to the funding cuts at USAID. So rather than doing the right thing and distributing this food to starving people they chose to let it sit there and rot...............

Food For Millions Rots in Storage After Trump’s USAID Cuts

Roughly 60,000 metric tons of food—enough to feed 3.5 million people for a month—is sitting unused in foreign countries because of the Trump administration’s sudden cut in funding to USAID earlier this year.

According to sources speaking to Reuters, the rations are spread across four warehouses in Houston, Djibouti, Durban, and Dubai and comprise cereals, pulses, and cooking oil. The food, valued at $98 million, was intended for emergency distribution in hunger-stricken regions including Gaza, Sudan, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Most of it will now end up in incinerators or as animal feed.

Nearly 500 tons of high-energy biscuits in Dubai are set to expire in July, one former USAID official told Reuters. They could have fed 27,000 acutely malnourished children for a month.

The failure stems from USAID’s rapid dismantling by the Trump administration and a pause on the contracts and funds needed to ship supplies to where they are needed.

“USAID is continuously consulting with partners on where to best distribute commodities at USAID prepositioning warehouses for use in emergency programs ahead of their expiration dates,” a State Department spokesperson said. Internal proposals to release the food remain on hold, awaiting sign-off from the Office of Foreign Assistance, now headed by 28-year-old Elon Musk appointee, Jeremy Lewin.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/food-for-millions-rots-in-storage-after-trumps-usaid-cuts/

You know, that " people are starving trump hate".

The point is that all of this was avoidable in the first place.

Elon set his sights on an agency that was investigating his own company; an agency that was a huge source of soft power for the US. We’ve heard of guns and butter, well this was the butter and it got DOGEd.

And now we have to incinerate the food needlessly. Oh, and what did we do with all that “savings” we got from eliminating USAID?

We passed a bill that increases the deficit even worse.

Hope it was all worth it. Just keep on pulling that lever.

Well, I do vote. And I'll never vote for trump again.

So ""they" don't want to give food designated for starving children in other countries. Fine
But why let it sit aaround until it needs to be destroyed?
At least see the expiration date coming and find a way to redirect to the starving children in this country