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Unless we get a QB that;s 6"10 or taller ain't nobody gonna see over Thanos. (no purple needed)

Unless we can find a 6"10 or taller QB ain't nobody gonna see over Thanos. (no purple needed)

I partly agree but he could also have done this in Cleveland if he had a decent working environment and competent leaders around him.

The Browns didn’t had the patience to nurture a young immature hot headed talented personality like him, they wanted a quick fix instead of organic growth.
That’s on Haslam, Berry and Stefanski.

The excuses have to stop. (Not aiming specifically at you bone)
This leadership is what the results tells you. Sometimes good, often bad, at times totally catastrophic. That’s the bitter truth.

Unfortunately, some people need failure and rejection to finally change.

Mateer from Oklahoma is looking good so far this season. I would like to see fewer ints. But he also seems to throw with great timing and ball placement, hitting WRs in stride and often turning a 10 yard gain into a much larger gain.

I'd love to have the current version of Baker too. The Baker you see now isn't the same guy we had. He needed to grow up and he did. I guess our coaches and FO grew tired of it and that's why he was let go. Baker now along with those 3 #1 draft picks could have us as serious contenders. Sad.

It’s their job to not get tired. (Not attacking you Homewood)
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The blame lies solely on the Browns.
Baker took us to the playoffs, later got injured but he continued to fight for his teammates despite he couldn’t be his best himself.

What did Berry and Stefanski do?
Gave up, lied, get behind his back, made him dirty and then took the easy route out with paying a fee of $230m for something ten time worse.
Is that what we shall call leadership?

The only thing I'd add to what you said is that the prevailing theory is that Haslam was the driving force behind this last part.

I think your own "evidence" sinks your argument. Plus, it's referring to an entirely different kind of coaching.

For coaching to work, the "client" has to do his part. It's not a one way street. It has to be a collaborative partnership. Baker, himself, has admitted to some culpability. Solely blaming "the Browns" is lazy and is not representative of what actually happened.

I think your one-sided revisionist history with loaded language is lame.

What Tampa Bay did was wait until a talented QB who had a huge ego was humbled to the point he had to bear down and dedicate himself to the game. Even at that it was taking a huge gamble and they knew it. That's why they only signed him to a one year contract. A "show me" deal. As it worked out he responded and it worked out. I'm happy for him.

As much as you would like to rewrite history the facts are there for all to see. That's the bitter truth.

I don't think Baker was ever not "dedicated to the game". But yes, there was obviously an ego adjustment after being expelled from two teams. On that note, Carolina kicked he and Darnold to the curb. 😬

I differ from others in thinking that was the only road to a more mature Mayfield. I think if we had strong leadership and yanked on the leash as soon as he was injured and not performing well, we could have reached point B here in Cleveland. Alas, as D4Life mentioned in another thread, there were some rather pesky contract details going on behind the scenes.

As far as the TB signing, I don't think there was a huge risk there. They were in a transitory (if not semi-rebuild) phase after Brady, and Baker would, at the very least, provide grit and leadership in the locker room for a mere $4 million. We see how quickly things have turned around as they've reached the playoffs both years with Baker.

Mendoza is a 6' 5" and a junior. He played two years at Cal before transferring to Indiana. He's been projected as a potential top 5 pick in the 2026 draft.

It's illegal to put humans on a leash. Unless of course they agree to it under certain circumstances.

I do think the low price of 4 million on a one year deal at least points to their reservations in their belief as him being the answer at that point. A very low risk experiment at best. So I suppose it would be better stated that they weren't confident in him at that point in time. And even then he had to win the staring position. 4 million was no more if even average backup QB pay at the time. I also believe that when it got to the point that was the best offer he could get and after just being dismissed by two teams so quickly, it definitely served as a wake up call for him.

From going to the first pick in the draft to bouncing around just looking for a roster spot had to be disturbing for him.

Maybe that isn't the answer but it certainly gives evidence it may very well be. As I have stated before, none of us can be certain.

This is where I'm at as well. Even though I'm a full-fledged Stefanski apologist, I think it's a black mark on an offensive-minded HC that he failed to help mold a talented QB.

I think you nailed it. Definitely not exuberant confidence, but enough upside to take a gamble at seeing them through a mini-rebuild. Especially if the upside is "we got our guy".

I agree. Where's that damned like button when you need it!?

WTF!
Didn’t Baker do his part in the 2020 season? You know the year when the Browns won a playoff game.
Was Baker already immature in that season? Just asking because at that time nobody complained.

He got injured early in the 2021 season, that’s when the problems started. It was his injury who probably initiated the conflict between him and Stefanski/Berry.
Baker was an idiot to continue playing despite being injured, nobody denies that. Likewise Stefanski and to some extend Berry was even bigger idiots to not stopping him. Older, more experienced and in charge of the decision making. What’s their excuses?

That whole season was full of drama. Baker, OBJ, the Steelers game, Berry’s cryptic interviews, the conflicts late in the season.

Stefanski and Berry should immediately have stopped Baker from playing and heal in 2021. Then they should have negotiated a decent short term extension or a new contract with Bakers agent. Give him an extra season or two when healthy to prove his worth, if his demands was reasonable.

Without the injury and a competent leadership it’s more than reasonable to think that Baker today 2025 would have been the Browns franchise QB.

You seem to be indicating that he would have ever accepted such a deal and then include the caveat' he may have been demanding something unreasonable himself. You do understand those things undermine the very basis of your post, right?

Yes, Baker was already/still immature in 2020. People actually did complain then. link

Problems started before then but winning/Nick Chubb/defense covered up a lot.

You just posted that coaching should be about "self-generated solutions" not telling a "client" what to do. Now you're complaining that they didn't tell him what to do.

Considering as if something that did happen didn't happen is a terrible place to start when deciding what is/was reasonable.

Who Baker was when he was with the Browns and who he became are completely different people.

Baker has said that several times himself.