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It's a miracle! Reminds me of the improbable win last year over the Ravens.

The Browns defense and ST won the game.

WHO LET THE DAWGS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unbelievable!!! I prayed hard for that win too.

Szmyt, from Zero to Hero. Congrats!

He's out of the Szmyt House!

Szmyt does not have a confident look to him AT ALL. I hope kicking the game winning field goal boosts his confidence, it sure as hell should.

WHAT A GAME! We needed that. Man, did we need that.

As much as I love what Joe Flacco did for the team in 2023, his time needs to be as an experienced backup. I'm not a fan of either rookie, but you're season cannot hinge on getting a dramatic D or ST play week after week. Give the team a chance to grow and keep Joe on the bench to come in if needed.

While I didn't see the entire game, I saw enough to know that Stefanski still has a predictable offense, and seems to out coach himself by not just sticking to fundamentals. I think the D stepped up in an amazing way and bailed this game out. ST closed the door - happy to be able to say that after all the crap they've given to the other teams.

Go Browns.

I agree. Hopefully they will start Gabriel this coming game or I'm thinking more like the week after, against the Vikings. We'll see.

Go Browns!!!

I just looked up stats and realized that Micah had just 2 tackles and he still needs Joe Flacco real bad

This is why you never quit. The D could have given up with absolutely no support from the O, but they kept playing. Defense held them so 230 yards when the O kept getting 3 and outs. Schwesinger had a nice game. Judkins getting 94 helped. Played with a lot of backups in. Gutty win. Congratulations boys.

Feels like we won this game the same way we lost the Bengals game.

Looks like we have a running game! We could so easily be 2-1. But yeah, Flacco is not looking good. His whole thing two years ago was throwing deep. Stefanski just has him dumping the ball off, and yes, I know that is probably because our receivers don’t get open.

Saw a lot of extra effort from players

That extra effort finally paid off

Hopefully this is a big boost of confidence for the Browns players and coaches

The FG was sweet !

Bingo! It was the true definition of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. While I have respect for Flacco, his time has passed. I don't want him on the field anymore...

If you can only win if the defense is heroic and holds the other team to 10, might as well start the rookie.

Amazing win!!! I never saw this coming; NEVER!!! WE sure needed this!!

- Great to get a win.

- Flacco is so washed. I know they won't make the change after a win but it's time to get Gabriel back there. Also, Flacco seems terrified to turn the ball over.

- Judkins kept on pounding and pounding. He had big chip block on Parsons that got Pasrons attention.

- Devin Bush is putting together a nice season.

- I'm waiting to see the Browns run a play where the receiver doesn't catch a ball with their back to the end zone.

- Special Teams finally made a positive impact. Great to see.

- First game in 9 games when the Browns did not turn the ball over 2+ times.

- Maliek Collins was making plays.

- 14 penalties on the Packers.

Cheers: Szmyt
Jeers: Stefanski when the Browns offense gets the ball at the 1 yard line.

The defense played amazing and shut down one of the better offenses in the NFL. They were men on a mission!

On offense, we still have WRs with the dropsies and I think it's pretty clear we need a new LT. Every time Joe wanted to make a decent throw he was getting smashed in the face. Honestly, If I were the Browns I'd be looking to draft a stud WR and a new LT. It's going to be rough replacing the entire offensive line this offseason especially since we will have zero cap space to sign anyone.

Judkins had a good game. Not great but definitely good. I think he will get better and better as the season go on.

Glad our Kicker got rid of his yips. It's weird though because I thought he got injured during practice this week. Good for him and good for the Browns!

He had felt something in his calve muscle.

They did an MRI and it showed no issues

Was Wypler handed the ball on the one yard line series ?

I heard his name mentioned, but was distracted by a run to the fridge so I missed that play.

what a win. So improbable, especially mid 4th quarter

defense was outstanding. ST's made up for some poor play to start the year

I wanted to send you guys a Congratulations message from a Packers fan. This loss really stings. This is a heartbreaking loss. We had you guys. Love throwing that interception gave you guys momentum. I will say that fumble by Jacobs I believe was your ball. Your defense is tough. You guys deserved the win. Good luck to you guys on the rest of the season

Kev drew up a pass play to Wypler on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line.

WHY????

Kev's brain tends to short circuit when they get to the 1 yard line.

Of course the dopey son-in-law is peacocking and poking Browns fans after moving to 1-2 on the season.

Thanks Milk, I was thinking why trick plays with a back up center coming off a broken ankle injury

If Wypler gets injured on some trick play and Pocic goes down then what

Enjoying watching a lovely victory speech only to see one of the little gremlins is back for the 2025 season.

haha I know that play that involved Wypler was ridiculous

Happy for the stolen win.

it reminded me a lot of our win vs SF a few years back

Up to that point, that play had never failed.

I think you guys should start that rookie QB. Your defense is legit. Why not give him a chance.

Because it was never called before

And there is a reason why plays designed to have o-linemen catching should not be used, which is a rarity.

At least we weren’t the only team to lose on a blocked FG today.

A wild day around the NFL for blocked FGs.

Thanks, GBF! Sweet for us. Hard game. Good luck to you as well.

That was pretty crazy

The Jordon Davis one was crazy.. scooping up his own block for 61 yards for the win

McDonalds for the Jets again jumping over the O line and getting his own block was sweet

Left Baker too much time on the clock

The Browns block I was happy it wasn't a scoop and score

Ran the clock down and still got the win

Right when we lost to you guys on the game winning FG my Uncle who is a Rams fan texts me and says they just lost on a blocked FG. I guess I feel a bit better.

I actually thought that fumble by Jacobs was yours.

I agree. I think the Browns had that recovered too

At least we now know that we won’t go winless!!👍

and to beat a top 3 team in the NFL in doing so

The last time we lost to the Browns was 2005 nearly 20 years ago to the date. Browns beat GB 26-24 in Lambeau.

I am sure our win decimated most survivor leagues

and before that it was 92

A full range of emotion at that game. Everybody was pretty somber for most of the game.

Then, BOOM!

Indeed, we needed that. I needed that. It's going to be a happy drive back to Tennessee in the morning.

We still need to move on from Joe in time, but this was sweet.

I guess we aren't still looking to get a new kicker.

We finally got some breaks. The Delpit INT that eventually tied the game, the blocked field goal, and Andre Szymt with a day of redemption.

Our plodding offence needs a spark, maybe the win will help with that. Our ST and defence, and a little bit of Judkins, won that game for us.

Our D front abused the Packers.

QJ’s 38-yard run that led to a field goal was Chubb-esque. He’s looking really good so far, Graham was a beast, Myles was his usual self.

Great win, gonna be a nice Monday at work.

I think we need more Sampson on offense. We need something with a little burst

No, because our starting tackles lasted one series.....Joe is just a target, he's seen everything, but damn, let Gabriel try something different....scoring ZERO points during 90 percent of game does not win ANY games normally. Defense and Special Teams get an A, but the Offense gets a D at best.....GO Browns!!!!

Schwesinger looks like a 3rd year player

our rookies have certainly played well through 3 games. That's an encouraging sign

He does. He’s obviously smart and he’s got a D coordinator who’ll make him even better.
CS was everywhere today.

Where are Steve, Flo and the stripper troll tonight? Did their internet get broken?

I am over Ski's offense and nothing I am seeing recommends more of his same. I want to see Sampson and QJ in the backfield like Byner and Mack and Csonka and Kiick. Start fiddling with that and it can be exciting. Maybe life without all tight ends. The philosophy driving this O is underachieving almost all game long. Back to the same sideline ego issue. We won on flukes today in spite of our offense. We will need better. Major applause for our defense and ST today.

One of our big issues is that the OL is not doing a good job at run blocking. Sampson can’t yet be trusted to block a guy coming right up the middle, he had a big whiff today and not for the first time.

But we aren’t threatening a defence with our passing game, that’s the biggest issue.

GB and ATL elimiated a number of teams in the Circa Survivor Pool.

What a story/journey.

The Browns forced only 20 turnovers in the 2024 season. They forced zero special teams turnovers.

In the 1st 2 games this season, they forced zero turnovers.

Todau they forced 1 on defense and 1 on the kick block. They will have to do this with consistency if they want to win games this season.

Either that or play DG and change the whole look of our O. More things for opposing Defenses to worry about.

I just saw on cbssports.com that the last time the browns came back from a double digit deficit in the final 4 minutes of a game was 2002

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ghlights-browns-packers-vikings-bengals/

Bring in Jordon Davis as our Red Zone Heavy Back! HE CAN RUMBLE!
Yips appear to be out of the way.
Flacco looks tired, unsure and needs WAY more reps w/ Judkins, he CAN catch. Flacco missed at least 3 mid/deep opportunities.
Judkins looked GREAT all things considered, including a O Line that sucks at sustaining holes. Rushing numbers after two games are about even w/ Chubb.

A great end to an otherwise fairly grim game. Fun watching the D - but Flacco is a shell of himself. I'd commented before that he looks ancient when the play breaksdown and he has to run ... I think he just looks old. Period. On the one hand, not turning the ball over when the D is this good is important. On the other hand - limiting what the O can do so drastically really is an extra obstacle and gift to the opposing D. Virtually everything is 12 yards and under and as someone said - the receivers are crossing or with their backs to the end zone ... makes it so much easier on the secondary. . . . SO . . . Question: if Gabriel isn't ready now, which he probably isn't, do we think he's really going to be 'ready' in 5 weeks time? As it happened we won the game yesterday but I was ready to see Gabriel at the end of the 3rdQ or start of the 4th Q. I don't actually think Joe did anything Gabriel can't - if anything the open WR that Joe missed on the left sideline (I think in the 4thQ) was reminiscent of the TD throw Gabriel made...

Judkins was good. Needs to be more patient but he made yards where Ford and Sampson were getting stuffed before. Maybe only 2 yards - but it makes a difference. It looks early on like a good selection ... although, after the humble but brilliant Chubb, Judkins emotional reactions might take a little while to get used to. I loved the wham on the whammer (Parsons) ... that was nice.

Maybe we got the rub of the green on a couple of penalties - but we're due. In my opinion Bush forced a fumble and recovered it. The most compelling view of that seemed to be shown AFTER the refs made the call.

Surely it can't be lost on Browns fans that yet again - we're competitive wholly because of the Defense and a part of the team that KS has absolutely nothing to do with. Again as someone said, if we can only win when the D is heroic and holds a team to 10 points - we are in trouble.

With the game tied - I actually felt like Szmyt was going to make it. Just seemed like karma and he'd been making them from 61 yards.. If that had been to tie the game, I wouldn't have felt the same.

Bone - yes, we coulda/shoulda be 2-1 ... but that wouldn't change how good this team is and it wouldn't paper over our offensive fragility. The commentators nailed it when they talked about how this grind it out offense has absolutely zero room for errors and tun overs. Unless we can theaten to take the top off the D once or twice without it being a gift for their secondary, it's going to be tough.

Our offense needs an awful lot to become competent IMO. Our drives almost have to be perfect to even garner a FG

We were lucky to win that game yesterday. The Packers made mistakes and we took advantage. That's fine with me because we lost many games just like that and the other team gladly took it. Yesterday was our turn!

My only significant post game thought is if you have a great defense, they’ll keep you in games far longer than you probably have a right to and sometimes that means sneaking away with a W. If we could get the O worked out to at least average, this defense alone would make us a playoff contender.

The Cincy loss hurts even more now IMO. We kinda stole one back, but we missed that opportunity in the first game badly

Oh and another thought… this O is tailor made for Gabriel’s skill set. I think he’s going to thrive when we finally trot him out there, which I suspect will be right after the 6 game buzz saw we fed Flacco to. It’s a pretty sound strategy IMO. If we come away 2-4 then a spark enters on O for the next 11 games, our fortunes could change quickly. I personally think Gabriel’s processing speed and play break down skills are the tipping point for this O. I know most people don’t share my optimism.

Nobody stole it.

Our biggest problem with the offense is the fact we are using two backup tackles, and neither one is even an average backup.

I looked for a post you made about the game but couldn't find it. You predicted exactly what the Browns needed to do in order to win and you nailed it. Just wanted to give you the kudos you deserved for that one.

The starting LT is far below average as well. Between the OL, the QB and subpar WR room you get a terrible offense.

We desperately need 2 new OTs (basically a whole new OL honestly) next year

Indeed. Pocic might cut it. Dewand might cut it as a RT but man he seems to get hurt a lot - is that bad luck or just who he is?

Damn if that isn't the most accurate assessment I've seen.

It's not even that. A 10-point deficit with this offense feels like a 3-score difference.

I think what you mean to say is less Ford. My hope is that as Judkins gets up to speed in terms of the offense and whatnot that we'll see Sampson's workload also stabilize which will result in less snaps for Ford.

I feel like whenever he checked in and got the ball he got stopped.

Ford stinks. That's established at this point. I've never seen someone fall down so easily

The main thing about Sampson at this point is he is really going to have to work on his blocking. You could certainly use him more on certain plays here and there but his poor blocking will limit his use at this point.

I cannot believe my boys blew a 10 point lead with 3 minutes remaining to lose this. Hats off to the Browns for not quitting.

Glad to see you post on here GBF. My friend is a huge Packers fan for like 55 years and he did say all last week that this is a trap game for them and I guess he was right. I like the Packers a lot and didn't razz him about the loss. I said it figures if the Browns had to do this to anybody it would be your team because we never win games like that, we just lose them!!! I will add though it feels so good to get a win. We haven't done that in a long while. It makes a Monday so much better!!!!

I think my Packers read their own press clippings thinking they we’re going to win by just showing up. When they seen they were ranked the top team in the power rankings it’s easy to overlook a 0-2 team especially when they play the Cowboys the following week. The Browns being on their Homefield were inspired and fired up facing a top team and brought their A game. The Pack looked flat as a pancake. I’m not taking anything away from the Browns though. They beat us and deserved the win.

Sampson definitely needs to work on pass pro. it's gotta be why he's not seen the field much

The fact is the Browns D simply shut them down. It's not a mystery or that the Packers took them lightly. It's not that the Packers read their own power rankings. It's not that they "looked flat". The Browns held Burrows to 17 points just two weeks earlier. Two out of three games is not a fluke. I like Green Bay myself but trying to lessen and undermine the accomplishment of the Browns defense by indicating if the Packers had been up for the game things would have been different is something you seem to be selling that I'm not buying.

Oh, I'm here - just not on your schedule.

This game was a great game and an earned win by fantastic defensive play. Congrats to Schwartz for putting together such a great game plan. ST stepped up to the plate, we just need more consistency. Great win that was not expected.

As for the offense, Stefanski's offense, it was putrid to be mild. Flacco continues to disappoint with a 55.56 QB rating this week and a 3-game QBR of 38.2 which is near to the bottom of the league. The Stefanski led offense is currently has the team 30th in scoring @ 46 points only besting 1-2 Atlanta at 42 and 0-3 Houston @ 38. As a team, 46 total points scored isn't going to cut it while allowing 68 during that same period makes us extremely lucky to be 1-2. Tied for 16th in the league in team points allowed will not make up for being 30th in team points scored.

Getting the win and the defensive play feels great. However, I can't ignore that the offense is horrible and that falls directly in Stefanski's and Berry's lap no matter how you want to spin it!

Def and special teams were awesome.
The pressure from our defensive front is very disrupting.

However, what is with Kev and his playcalling again.
Is it the line play and not being able to find time to look through progressions, is it we don't have receiver's that can get separation. Or all of a sudden Flacco has a noodle arm.
But the play calling has been atrocious

I think we were expecting resurgent play from our Oline, and it's just not happening. We saw the paper-thin depth we have at tackle, but KS also mentioned in his post-game locker room speech that Bitonio is banged up.

Whether it's age or injuries or both, this Oline isn't playing well. They've struggled to establish any sort of running game and the radio guys were constantly harping on how Flacco's internal clock was way sped up.


My hope is that Judkins coming up to speed will help us get defenses to worry about our running game.