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You're trying to make it sound like a solution to the QB situation was out there and we chose to pass. With Watson still on the payroll our options were even more limited than usual. We wouldn't have even been able to afford the likes of Darnold or Geno Smith.

Are you hinting at they might be tanking this season? Not that far-fetched. I don't know.

Regardless, let's see what Gabriel can do. Who knows, we might have a decent QB here. With a bad offense line. And questionable receivers... And....

Interested to see what our poor man's Baker Mayfield can do.

Because they knew what they had in Picket and he wasn't the answer, while Dillon and Sanders futures are still a possibility.

So, you would rather see what the future of two drafted QBs are than the team actually winning or losing. Talk about losing culture. The QB of the future is not on this team right now. Gabriel is a pop warner sized QB and Sanders certainly is not the adult in the room. The AFC North is as open at the top as it has been since the Browns returned but instead of trying to win, they want to play a reached for 3rd round pick and more than likely later the QB that fell the furthest in draft history. I have grown very tired of these idiotic moves and fans accepting each move and making excuses for every move. Berry and Stefanski both need fired. There are 32 teams in the NFL, and none are replacing a veteran with a 3rd round career back up at best to tank the season for a better draft pick to find a QB. Let's face it that is what is happening. 6 years into this regime and they have to tank to find their QB. Sad.

In his career he has a winning record 15-10. Thrown more TDs to INTs. Was a past 1st round draft pick. Would be a very competent backup QB. If the Browns were really trying to win would be on the team. Instead, the Browns do not care if they win or lose so let's just see what a couple draft picks can do. The future QB of the Browns is not on this team. Once the trade was made, they determined that QB is coming in next year's draft. This is a waste of a year now. The AFC North is as open at the top to win than any time since the Browns came back and we want to see what we have instead of trying to win. pathetic. I am not interested to see if either of these rookies can ever be a competent back up. I follow a team I want to see win and right now I see a team not trying to win.

So, you don't have a legit argument against this FO is not trying to win so you tell me to find a different team. Dude, I have been following the Browns since Brian Sipe was under center. I am disgusted that Berry and Stefanski in year 6 are not trying to field a winner. They need fired. Promote Schwartz. He is the only coach on that team that is producing. I do not believe Gabriel has a snowballs chance to be any good in the NFL. I saw that game in the rose bowl. You think Ohio had him rattled. Wait until he gets to Pittsburg.

In case you didn't notice we are already losing. Nobody in their right mind sees that changing right now with Joe starting (no they wouldn't see it with Picket either) Dillon has a shot and so does Sanders. But as much as you and some others cry about it's the Truth. Did you really think we were winning the Superbowl this year

At this point, yes. This was always going to be the case at some point this season, but Flacco's performance has expedited the change. If either Gabriel or Sanders work out (a long shot) then we have two first rounders to use on positions outside of QB. If they don't, it most likely means they've failed and we're probably in a good position to take a QB early or use both first rounders (and perhaps more) to move up to get one. But we have to find out either way and this was a plan I think everyone could see once the draft was over. It was just of matter of when it was going to commence.....


.....and here we are.

Ryan Leaf was a former first round draft pick too. Would you like a list?

Ok Gabriel is the man he was the perfect pick. The next Tom Brady. We will see!!!!

If they had more time with Pickett, he probably would have beaten out Flacco and they would have traded Flacco.

Because Pickett wasn't healthy, he got traded because they knew what they had in Flacco + he was having a good camp/ pre-season.

Yet again, you are the only one who has said that. Nobody else has. Dear Lord man.

Can I go ahead and say it so at least someone has? Dillon Gabriel will be a HOFer. He will rewrite the record books., Fans will be saying Otto Who? Now he can be speaking truth to power.

Kyler Murray1 QB 28 5' 10" 207 lbs 7 Oklahoma
Dillon Gabriel8 QB 24 5' 11" 205 lbs R Oregon

There was a QB picked in Cleveland at the number one overall pick in 2018 who

Also is on his 4th team and is currently 3-1

You might be right, the Browns didn't care if they won or loss by putting a

40 year old vet out on the field instead of a younger player who can move the pocket

I would also like to point out

It was said on this board that no rookie QB ever won the Super Bowl

That's true

Some have gotten their team to a conference championship

who ?

Joe Flacco

Ben Roetheslberger

Brock Purdy

Mark Sanchez

Shaun King

Do the Browns have a rookie who can take the Browns from the bottom to

A play-off win or more ?

Try and find out

Old boy isn't ,when thankfully he did

But didn't do well

That bodes well for him...

Extremely good with our O line

We've got ourselves another Nick Chubb! We all know what else we need on O. A QB, 2 OT, and a # 1 WR.

Damn! He's definitely been effective, now I'm wondering how much we can increase his workload.

https://www.footballguys.com/stats/snap-counts/teams?team=CLE&year=2025&type=snap-counts

Per this, his snap count is still going up, but could be starting to level out. Now we just need to get Sampsons snaps to eat into Ford's.

Just shooting from the hip - Judkins is 3 times the player Ford ever was. And he's certainly more effective as a runner than Simpson even if Simpson has flashed quicks.... I'd hope Judkins gets 60-65% of the snap total and 20-25 touches a game. More if we are grinding out a win. The less time Ford gets the better. . . . Ford feels a bit like Schwartz, no real need for him to be on the roster other than what feels like the FO not wanting to admit an error.

I hated keeping Ford and letting Chubb walk. Whether the timing of Ford's paycut was just bad optics or not, I still don't like it.

That said, you still need a backup, and Ford is it. Sampson has some sort of issue with his game (I think folks said he's gotta upgrade his blocking?), and that needs to get ironed out so we see less of Ford. I think it would take a bad case of fumble-itis to get Ford off the roster prior to the off-season.

Sampson (and the coaches using him) might find a rhythm behind Judkins as the alt back. He's not your primary runner and he wasn't great as a spell for Ford because Ford isn't enough that defenses have to change up their focus at all for Sampson. Does that make sense? I think Judkins' dominance will provide dividends for other players, maybe Sampson chief among them. That's why real playmakers matter, they draw enough gravity and attention from the opposing team that other players around the playmakers start to get some breathing room.

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Ford is great if he has a huge hole to run through. He is the opposite of Judkins. Ford runs weak, and has no shiftiness. I believe a 20MPH wind knock him on his butt 9 times out of 10.

I've read a lot of opinions that Sampson has shown poorly in pass protection - not unusual for a rookie RB who isn't very big. Because of this issue, teams key on the probability that the Browns won't run a pass play when Sampson is in the huddle. He was crazy-effective catching the ball week one though. Not surprised that we don't go back to what was working...kind of a KS staple.

How big is Sampson?
Everyone talks about how short Gabriel is, but a while back I saw a picture of Sampson and Gabriel standign next to each other and Gabriel looked bigger.
Could have just been the camera angle but does Sampson not understand the pass blocking scheme or is he just getting run over?

From what I’ve noticed is that he’s a hesitant blocker, unsure and probably needs to be more aggressive. Blocking is an attitude thing.