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We aren't in a position to turn up our noses at WR help.

He has been absolutely putrid so far in the NFL.

Grossi was pounding the table for the Browns to draft him because we wore size XXL gloves. lol

Zappe as #2 QB

I was right there with him. Not because of glove size, because he was a big, physical WR with good-to-great ball skills in the NCAA. I thought he would be the perfect #1 for our new superstar QB Deshaun Watson.

That was back in my reefer smoking days.

Completely reasonable. Grossi had never seen him play at all but had heard while at the combine he wore size XXL gloves and that was enough for him to bang that drum.

He was awesome his last year at Arkansas. I would not be opposed with the Browns kicking the tires on him at a low cost.

I'm curious how his medical would translate to hitting the ground running with a new team.

I read that he was medically cleared, but still wonder if that could hamper his getting up to speed.

Here's a Titans fan's perspective:

Came in as a rookie really out of shape. Started to get rolling, then suffered a turf toe injury and went on IR. Came back, had a couple of great games, then got KTFO'd by a cheapshot by the Eagles. Last year, he looked to be in amazing shape, but had a knee injury and more concussion issues. Then Levis took over and absolutely wouldn't look his way under any circumstances.

He's good for 1 manufactured touch for 7 to 9 yards per game. Titans fans hate him for not being AJ Brown. He has terrible body control and Levis throws everyone covered, so he has no real hope of making big plays.

Hard worker, seemingly good dude, seems to have lost all self confidence. He deserves to not have to play for us.

Here's a robot's (AI):

The main "knock" on Treylon Burks, beyond his well-documented injury issues, centers on his inconsistent performance and skills limitations. Criticisms include his lack of confidence, poor hands, and inability to catch contested passes reliably. Observers note he has a "horrendous catch radius" and mediocre route running, which together hamper his effectiveness as a wide receiver. Additionally, he has been characterized as not athletically dynamic enough to compensate for these flaws and tends to be an easy target for defenders, leading to interceptions and dropped passes. Overall, these deficiencies contribute to a lack of trust from teammates and coaches, with some deeming him a draft bust unless he significantly changes his playing style and performance level.


We knew about his route running -- that was his biggest knock coming out. The catch radius in college was great. The ball skills were great. The RAC was elite. He made contested catches like it was his job. He was never athletically gifted; he was a big dude (6'2"/ 225) that played bully-ball.

College scouting:
Sells his body out to make the catch.
Leaps and plucks it way up the ladder with strong hands.
Stiff-arm and build-up speed to make a short catch a long gain.


I have no idea what happened that set him on this course, but we all know how things go when you're stuck on a team that has no confidence in you. A change of pace will tell the ultimate tale. And as DOD said, I would kick the tires. What would it hurt, would it destroy the delicate balance and confidence of the WRs we have in the room now?

Take a shot with him. Nothing to lose.

Can he be any worse than what we have now?

Good info grab. I don't see how it could hurt the WR room.

We've got ourselves another Nick Chubb! We all know what else we need on O. A QB, 2 OT, and a # 1 WR."

This is like Deja Vu, LOL, this has been the story many times over the last decade

I'd try for Burks. We have horrible WRs. If he sucks he'll fit in

Meanwhile, Baker will be taking the bucs back to the playoffs… hope it feels good to all those who wanted him gone. Gabriel is Baker light.

I agree, but that is well in the rearview mirror.

If the Baker now was the Baker we had then, they would have kept him. Unfortunately, he had a busted shoulder and a penchant for doing things his own way despite evidence that it wasn't working.

Things unraveled here quickly. I don't think Baker would have turned into what he is now if he had stayed here

Not with Stefanski and Berry in charge. Two top 5 QB's on the roster in 6 years - FAILURE with both!

Drew Allar done for the season.... He would have been a 1st round pick in 2025, IMO. Wonder if he's a cautionary tale for folks on the fence of staying or leaving for the draft.

True...but as long as the guys who made the decision(s) are still here - and flailing around at that - that rear view mirror just keeps growing bigger by the failure...it's impossible to not see it.

j/c

On the field the only difference in Baker since he left here is that he got healthy again and got better at going through progressions...well...that and coaching. Everything else about him ON THE FIELD is the same now as it was then.

Now j/c...so NRTU:

Here's how silly it always reads...Baker was immature in Cleveland...was immature in Carolina...grew up in LA (Rams) over the span of 6-10 months...and stopped doing things his way. Then he went to Tampa where he really really grew up...all in ONE year after leaving Cleveland. Imagine if our powers-that-be had that kind of patience...the kind of patience that they extended to Watson...not to mention building the offense to suit Watson.

How it should read...Baker was coached by Stephanski and they couldn't make it work for whatever reason(s)...Baker was traded to Carolina and they fired their HC early in the season...Baker went to play for McVay and he got up-to-speed in running their offense and had an epic victory (that was only missing the Bud Light beer coolers) after just a few days of practice.

Then he signs in Tampa one year removed from surgery and has had (3) great years under (3) different OCs (and the same HC) all of whom seem to have created their offense around Baker...as opposed to creating Baker around their offense(s).

The common denominator is coaching and scheme along with the player...and the success and production is evident. The player got better and so did the coaching and scheming for that player. He's right though...he DID have to leave CLE for that to happen...but not for the reasons some want to believe rather than see.

I never liked Allar even before this season - he's very inaccurate

He doesn't either and he doesn't place the blame on the coaching staff for that. Just people who must think he's a liar do.

Co-sign 100.

I almost responded to the same post but I feel like a broken record. First, I'll get this out of the way, once again... the latest go-to is "Baker even said he needed to go through that to be the man he is today". That does not mean, by any stretch, he thinks he would be a failure if he did not. He's merely acknowledging "it" as part of his journey.

Now, "a penchant for doing things his own way" also doesn't mean he needed failure to change. He needed someone to grow a set and put him in his place. Nobody had a set in Cleveland, that's why they hid behind the curtains and the narratives and did what they did. That's why the season ended with nobody talking it out. That's why Berry and Stefanski hid behind the contract situation and the "football is a business" b.s. for why they weren't talking.

That ish would never happen in Pittsburgh... I know, you know, everybody knows that. Baker would hit Tomlin's office to explain why he should be the one-armed savior and coach would just cross his arms and stare. Wouldn't even have to utter a word. Baker would drop his head and leave the office.

That's the biggest difference, not which airport is closest to the stadium.

Me 3.

I don't believe Drew Allar would have been a top 5 pick, but his size and arm strength will still get him drafted fairly high. He is still better than any QB we have on our roster currently.

Thanks guys! Totally spot on.
(If it’s ok with you all I will send this text to Pit so he can get his heart rate up again, always good entertaining )

I do have a question ... Why isn't ripping and tearing at the football, after the play has been blown dead, called unsportsmanlike conduct and given a 15 yard penalty ?

Considering we’re still talking about Baker, tells me everything I need to know about the Browns FO.

I heard this stat the other day concerning Aller. He has a career 48% completion percentage in games vs top 10 teams.

Per my review:
Allar has a cannon arm
Good accuracy
Poor timing
Terrible ar seeing the field/reading the coverage

Heard that we woud have taken him at #2 overall had he entered the draft last year.
Yikes! (If true)