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It begins with the GM who builds the roster.
But the guy constructing the roster has to be great. Agreed. Given where we are today after 6 years of this leadership it is hard not to want these guys out.
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I cannot fault Haslam for hiring KS/AB.
KS had a good resume. Berry was for sure qualified and he had been in the building.
Both young smart guys. The decision to hire them was based upon how they would work together. It was a critical point in the hiring process.
There is a part of me that says "stay the course." That is because both are bright young guys who should learn from mistakes. They are both self critical and open minded.
The area of improvement for Berry is consistency in the draft and a better vision of roster structure. Will he improve in those aspects?
Haslam has to decide that. The 2025 draft is encouraging.
KS IMO is a good coach. However, the area that he needs improvement IMO is strategic game planning. Understanding the best way to attack the defense of the opposing team.
The issue is he may know but does not have the personnel to execute the his game plan. Case in point the strength of the receiver room. You can have an attack plan and not have the receivers to actually implement the plan.
This season still has eleven games to go. The schedule is easier. A rookie 3rd round pick is starting behind a horrible OL. KS needs to win some games. A locker room is fragile and losing is like rust eating metal.
Hiring a new regime is not always the answer. Haslam knows first hand. A perceived need to change does not mean you will hire the right people.
Hire the wrong people is like throwing away years.
Haslam has that decision to make. He is the captain of the ship.
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[img] https://imgur.com/a/XtU9icI#ZXG7e6p[/img] Another season done already.[img]http://https://imgur.com/a/XtU9icI#ZXG7e6p[/img]
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Joe Flacco's play in Cincinnati is yet another indictment against Berry and Stefanski not knowing what talent looks like. They gave up on Flacco way to early. Replaced him with a QB they reached for in the draft. Flacco far and away gave the Browns the best shot at winning games. They should have beat Cincy. They probably would have beat Minnesota with Flacco. Lose this Sunday to Miami and both of these two need to be shown the door in Cleveland.
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The Browns have Jeudy and scrubs at receiver.
That has nothing to do with KS.
AB, yes because he is responsible for the roster.
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The Browns have Jeudy and scrubs at receiver.
That has nothing to do with KS.
AB, yes because he is responsible for the roster.
Stefanski decided that a rookie gave the team the best chance to win vs a veteran that actually did give the team the best chance to win. The Tackles and the Wide receivers on this roster or lack of on this roster yes are clearly on Andrew Berry. The decision to move on from Flacco is on Stefanski. He is getting the play he clearly wants dink and dunk. He found his dink and dunk QB.
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The Browns took a DT in the 2nd Rd last year...then doubled down with another DT in the 1st Rd this year...all the while knowing how putrid was their WR room and with an old, injury-prone OL.
In the 2021 draft, the Bengals desperately needed an OT. Penny Sewell was there for the taking...instead they chose Jamaar Chase. In the 2020 draft the Bengals chose Tee Higgins.
So...the Browns doubled-down on DTs and the Bengals doubled-down on WRs. No one knows who is/are the Bengals DTs...and on one knows who are the Browns WRs.
And all THAT after the Watson debacle and with finally having a 1st Rd pick after what seemed like a lifetime...they doubled-down at DT. Outsmarting everyone all along the way.
In our 2020 playoff year, we had Jarvis Landry (840 yards), Rashad Higgins (599) and Odell Cancer for about 1/2 the year.
In 2021, we had Landry, DPJ and Odell Cancer - with Anthony Schwartz.
In 2022, we had Amari Cooper, DPJ, and David Bell - with Anthony Schwartz.
In 2023, we had A Cooper, E Moore and Ced Tillman - with David Bell.
In 2024, we had Jeudy, E Moore and Ced Tillman - after trading A Cooper.
In 2025, we didn't draft a single WR or OL...but we did get that touchdown-scoring machine at DT.
Is everyone on the 'Consensus Team' afraid to mention the situation at WR? Or do/did they all think it was just fine?
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The Bengals called about trading for Flacco. They don't talk to KS. They talk to Berry.
Flacco is 40 and would not be playing anymore in Cleveland.
The trade gave them a 5th for a 6th.
The Browns have two rookie quarterbacks. The record was 1-4. They have two first round picks in the 26 draft.
The team was never going to compete for the playoffs with this roster.
They need to find out what the two rookies can do. Wins and loses at this point do not matter.
They have the rest of this season to find out about Gabriel and Sanders.
This is not hard to figure out.
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The Bengals called about trading for Flacco. They don't talk to KS. They talk to Berry.
Flacco is 40 and would not be playing anymore in Cleveland.
The trade gave them a 5th for a 6th.
The Browns have two rookie quarterbacks. The record was 1-4. They have two first round picks in the 26 draft.
The team was never going to compete for the playoffs with this roster.
They need to find out what the two rookies can do. Wins and loses at this point do not matter.
They have the rest of this season to find out about Gabriel and Sanders.
This is not hard to figure out. Wins and losses are the only thing the game is about!!! Flacco was traded by Berry because Stefanski benched Flacco. If Flacco would have played the entire season and the team would have made the playoffs the Browns were still drafting a QB in 2026. Gabriel and Sanders are not going to change that plan either. It was disfunction drafting one 3 rounds early and drafting the other one at all. The only way to get rid of disfunction is to remove the two that caused the disfunction. Berry and Stefanski.
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What if?
Seriously?
So Flacco starts the season and goes 1-4. How did he look?
Flacco playing with a 1-4 record was going to lead this team to the playoffs? Playoffs?
You should run the draft because you know how all draft picks will play when they haven't played a down.
Montana was a third round pick. Brady a sixth rounder.
But you know that.
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I had no idea that Stefanski was in charge of making trades. If so what is Berry's job? Please, do tell us more. Or do you have any more? Gabriele was not drafted "3 rounds early". You're basing that on the same people who claimed Sanders was a first round pick.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Stefanski decided that a rookie gave the team the best chance to win vs a veteran that actually did give the team the best chance to win. Are we sure this was solely a Stefanski decision? Haslam's comments just before the season started... However, Haslam made it clear during his camp conversation he believes it's important that the rookies be evaluated in a game situation. That's especially true with the looming 2026 draft question.
"Absolutely. Absolutely," Haslam said. "But, I mean, Kevin is aware of that. He knows how important quarterback is, and he and Andrew talk about those kinds of things all the time. It’s a daily ongoing conversation."https://www.beaconjournal.com/story...sanders-rookie-quarterbacks/85421995007/
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I had no idea that Stefanski was in charge of making trades. If so what is Berry's job? Please, do tell us more. Or do you have any more? Gabriele was not drafted "3 rounds early". You're basing that on the same people who claimed Sanders was a first round pick. Stefanski benched a QB that just put up 33 pts in a win over the Steelers. Kind of proves the problem was not Flacco. The problem is Stefanski.
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