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Well, I mean I wouldn't want to ruin Sanders by having him play behind this offensive line. Sanders is the one with actual potential if he is given time to develop so why rush him out there just to get sacked like crazy. But if they plan to let Sanders get some play time the best time is after the bye week. Then just give him the same amount of games DG has had and let the best guy win the final game reps.

Either that, or it's the kiss of death....

I hear everybody saying this, but I also hear, that he is not ready. Reporters who have access to the locker room, say he is far from being ready to play. Also, why is it that it is okay for Gabriel to play behind this line, but if Sanders does it will ruin him? I'm sick of the touting Sanders as if he is this spectacular QB who is getting shafted by the league and the Browns. The reality is, he is not up to speed. I have never seen a player so overhyped and fans using so many excuses for him. Anybody who believes a NFL team would actually sabotage a "great" player while the team is losing is living in Lala land. If he was this fantastic player, he would have been drafted higher, and be playing right now.

Maybe the 3rd time will be the charm?

If so ^, he will then have had more 1st Rd QBs than COTY awards. (Not counting the former 1st Rd guys brought here to be a backup...and not counting DW as (3) 1st Rd picks.)

I've never agreed with a post you have made more than that one Peen.

There is so many different angles on the Shedeur Sanders thing that don't make sense, but the push to play him now is probably the most confusing.

So... who are you counting? I count Baker and Watson as the only first rounders brought here under Stefanski.

Browns making moves

Signed TE Caden Prieskorn to the practice squad and released RB Ahmani Marshall from the practice squad

Position Tight end

Born September 21, 1999 (age 26)
Lake Orion, Michigan, U.S.

Height 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m)

Weight 246 lb (112 kg)

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Ole Miss (2023–2024)

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Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2025)

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First-team All-AAC (2022)

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I honestly think that there isn't any QB who can play well behind this line and throwing to these WRs. I don't hate DG but when I watch him play it's pretty obvious he is just too small to be effective in the NFL. He tries way too hard to put heat on his passes and it leads to bad passes.

I am not a big fan of Sanders. Before the draft I said he was a 2nd to 3rd round pick due to his weak average talent and slow decision making. I really wanted Jackson Dart but what do I know =)

The problem is that I think because of Sanders slow decision making he is going to end up with happy feet like Charlie Fry did. It's basically the same situation. A poor oline can ruing a good QB fast! Especially if they are a rookie. Still at some point I want Sanders to play and go through his baptism of fire to see if he will stand or fall.

When it comes to personality and character I love both our rookie QBs and I wish they could both do well. Saddly, I think they both end up as career backups.

Yep...the "If so" part of my comment was when/if they draft a QB in the 1st Rd next year and KS is still here...being the 3rd time charm and all.

I wish we would have dumped Ford and kept Marshall

Browns picked up another TE



Claimed TE Brenden Bates via waivers from Houston and waived CB Jarrick Bernard-Converse

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/players-roster/brenden-bates/

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/transactions/



Does this feel like a possible trade of David Njoku ? Two TE's in one day.

Harbinger of an Njoku trade?

Or just ready to let Whiteheart go, or that fed up with our WRs and going 4 TE sets.

Way too many TE's here! Just saying!

j/c:

Who’s to blame for the Browns’ woeful passing game? Film review

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...les-in-the-passing-game-film-review.html

Some things you never forget/forgive.

Flacco is statically flourishing in Cincy with actual NFL Wide Receivers.

They might decide to move Fannon to WR since he played there also in college. Then they might use the new guys for run blocking.

As bad as our offense has been maybe we should go with 5 TE's on every play lol

We've circled back to Kev giving up playing yet again. What a mess. Desperate times in Berea.

In all honesty, I don't expect much, if anything at all, to change. If it does, then that would be informative.

All I care about is getting a good/fair look at the rookies... primarily the QBs. Anything that helps us do that would be great.

Interesting.

I would agree that wth this roster we won't suddenly see a seismic change ... but I do expect to see a little bit of a difference. Give it 2 maybe 3 games and I reckon we might see some noticable differences.

Thanks for the memories, JTS!

I know that it's confusing but yes, Baker at #1 by the Browns in 2018 (18-14 under Stefanski) and Watson at #12 by Houston in 2017 (9-8 after 3 1/2 years under Stefanski) were 1st round picks. However, so was Pickett drafted by the Steelers at #20 in 2022 (0-0 in Cleveland) and Flacco a #18 pick overall by Baltimore in 2008. Every one of them were either expected to be the starter or compete for the starting job. Technically, it could be considered five 1st round picks since Flacco was here twice and didn't have a full season here either time going 5-5 with the Browns.

Flacco hasn't play a full season since 2018. The first time he played here he was plucked off of his couch because nobody else wanted him. That's factually and not technically.

I misread what you wrote (I read too quickly and thought you weren't counting Baker or Watson).

Regardless, I find the whole exercise kind of silly.

Baker wasn't selected by them and wasn't fitting well with KS system. I believe you were in the minority of not wanting to get rid of Baker... so kudos to you for that. That said, Baker balling out elsewhere will be a black mark on this regime.

I do believe that Watson was forced by Haslam (I've explained this several times). I never did understand how KS would want to move on from Baker due to poor fit within the system to Watson (who, at his best, is an even poorer fit within the scheme). Maybe it was assumed that Watson would just work in any system since he was just that good. The rest of the QBs we've had in here have been pulled from the FA scrap heap. At times, the play we've gotten from this group has been surprisingly good... I wish we could've brought Jacoby Brissett back.

This has been a pretty good signing the past couple of years.....might be in line for a long-term extension and he is only 27.

And then he suddenly gets a Pick 6 on his first INT in years.

Flacco was a "special surprise for us"-- Sanders not so special- 4 of 16 with a pick....5th rnd for reason.

Passing Prop against the Raiders is up for Shadeur.....ugh.

I hope we don't break this record this week.

Team Record: The New York Giants set the record for most sack yards lost by a team, with 127 yards in a 1952 game.

I do not believe that Sanders is the answer at QB. With that said he has much more potential than Gabriel. During last week's game when given time he stood in the pocket and looked down field. I have not seen that in a game since Flacco. If he does not learn very quickly how to beat the blitz with his hot routes and reads pre snap, he is never going to be an NFL QB. His tendency when blitzed or pressured is to retreat. I do not have a problem with him taking a sack on 3rd down but on 1st and 2nd down it is inexcusable. It is drive killers. Read the blitz hit the hot route. If he can do that a couple times early next week vs the Raiders, he has a chance. Then when he is given time hit a few down the field throws and Judkins will go from gaining 70 very hard yards a game to over 100 a game.

So, Sunday I will be watching for a few things out of Sanders. How quickly can he process the defense, getting the ball out quickly on hot routes vs the blitz, when given time can he consistently complete his down the field throws that can open the run game, can he avoid 1st and 2nd down sacks that kill drives.

I expect a win vs the Raiders. Sanders should be a factor in that win. That is the measuring stick. What I saw in Gabriel was a QB that did not lose the games but really did not factor in winning a game either. He has proved he is nothing more than a backup QB. The loss vs the Jets proved once and for all he could not overcome adversity in a game. Starting QBs can overcome adversity. I expect Sanders to face some adversity. He will prove 1 or 3 things 1) He can be an NFL caliber starting QB. 2) He can be a backup NFL QB or 3) He does not belong in the NFL as QB. I think Gabriel proved he can be a 2nd or 3rd string backup QB. He has the mind of a great QB but just does not have the physical talent. Sanders has the body. Just watching the 2nd half last week. His presence is larger than Gabriel. His arm is stronger than Gabriel's. His mind is behind Gabriel's.

I pretty much agree on your take about Sanders and Gabriel. However, I don't believe Sanders has gotten a fair shot up to this point. Much has been made about him not taking reps with the ones and I think there is some validity in that being a disadvantage. I was watching Get UP on ESPN yesterday and Rex Ryan said something is not right between Sanders and the Browns staff. He called it a disconnect. Who knows but let's give this kid a fair shot to succeed it's the right way to go. I would like to see him do well for as with any Browns player. As far as the game Sunday we never do well when we play out west for some reason and this goes back to the 1960's. I naturally hope we win but I have my doubts.

j/c

I understand that it's too early to tell...however...I haven't seen anything from Gabriel that suggests he's some kind of answer as a backup QB.

He also isn't making the play calls. Nothing we saw from Sanders indicated he was any better. All 32 NFL GM's passed on Sanders 4 times and some 5 times. There are reasons for that.

He is physically more gifted for sure. Taller, faster, stronger, and better arm talent. Can that make him a better QB? We shall see. Gabriel's one advantage is he processes quickly. If he had Sanders physical traits this would not be a discussion. He does not though. His physical limitations will hold him back.