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This probably sounds nuts but actually things are working out well.
We began the year with four quarterbacks. Trying to find one out of four except the four were all damaged goods in some way.
None of the four were considered ideal.
Now there are two mid round rookies. Both are long shots. They are getting a chance to play.
They are on a bad team with limited offensive support. Their chances to win every week is slim.
Yet losing is the goal because of the draft order it can put the team in. Nobody likes losing but in this case it is best to lose. You hold your nose and hope the season goes by fast.
There is still a chance that Sanders or even Gabriel could show some progress but not enough to change that the Browns will have to draft another quarterback.
The three top candidates Mendoza, Simpson, and Moore are good prospects but none are in the "Andrew Luck" class as a generational prospect.
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The three top candidates Mendoza, Simpson, and Moore are good prospects but none are in the "Andrew Luck" class as a generational prospect. No, but not many are. Many teams have won championships without a generational talent at QB. Really, all you need is a good QB. The top 3 all look to have the chance to be a good NFL QB. To me there are 4 tiers of NFL QB. Fair, average, good, and great. I said fair out of respect, but if some want to say bad, so be it Fair are the guys who might stick in the league for a number of years as a back-up.
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Peen, I totally agree!
If you use a meter to gauge between average and great, it would tell you how significant the talent around him needs to be.
In my opinion, Gabriel, at this time, is slightly below average. There is something to work with there. We will see with Sanders. Hopefully, we see something similar from him.
Why is this important? Having 2-3 quarterbacks on rookie contracts allows Berry to load up on FA talent around the quarterback. This will give Berry time to rebuild the offense through the draft, keeping the team competitive.
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The three top candidates Mendoza, Simpson, and Moore are good prospects but none are in the "Andrew Luck" class as a generational prospect. No, but not many are. Many teams have won championships without a generational talent at QB. Really, all you need is a good QB. The top 3 all look to have the chance to be a good NFL QB. To me there are 4 tiers of NFL QB. Fair, average, good, and great. I said fair out of respect, but if some want to say bad, so be it Fair are the guys who might stick in the league for a number of years as a back-up. You're not wrong, but my point is that you'd need an Andrew Luck type QB to have any type of success with this supporting cast, starting with the pass protectors. We really should get 2 starting OTs... but we gotta get at least 1 (LT) in this upcoming draft. I'm going to assume, even with the inevitable cap manipulation that's coming, we still won't have the space to make any splashy signings after retaining our FAs that we want to keep. Starter-caliber LTs aren't generally found too far outside the top half of the first round.
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Even guys who are considered "can't miss," 'pro-ready" guys end up in the average class.
Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be can't miss.
The three top guys are not that different as prospects.
There may be a couple other guys worth 1st round grades.
I really like John Mateer. He has skills that are unteachable. He is a terrific leader and he is tough as nails.
His game is unpolished and hectic. He plays similar to Mahomes when he was in college.
Mateer will need development just like Josh Allen was developed.
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The three top candidates Mendoza, Simpson, and Moore are good prospects but none are in the "Andrew Luck" class as a generational prospect. No, but not many are. Many teams have won championships without a generational talent at QB. Really, all you need is a good QB. The top 3 all look to have the chance to be a good NFL QB. To me there are 4 tiers of NFL QB. Fair, average, good, and great. I said fair out of respect, but if some want to say bad, so be it Fair are the guys who might stick in the league for a number of years as a back-up. You're not wrong, but my point is that you'd need an Andrew Luck type QB to have any type of success with this supporting cast, starting with the pass protectors. We really should get 2 starting OTs... but we gotta get at least 1 (LT) in this upcoming draft. I'm going to assume, even with the inevitable cap manipulation that's coming, we still won't have the space to make any splashy signings after retaining our FAs that we want to keep. Starter-caliber LTs aren't generally found too far outside the top half of the first round. I am not even sure a Luck or Manning would look all that great without a solid supporting cast. All of this projecting of QB's is predicated on the team finding a few blockers and receivers. I am not even talking about all-star types. I am just talking about guys who are solid pros that any team in the league would be happy to have and start for except in very rare cases. We need players who can win at the LOS a good deal of the time. It's great if we can get a great player but a great player alone won't win you many games. Just look a Joe and Myles. I do agree OOBS, I wouldn't mind skipping a QB and just draft receivers and Olinemen through maybe the first 3 rounds. Heck, maybe 4 rounds. Obviously BPA would have to play a role. I wouldn't want to limit my draft to positional needs just to do it. For the QB, there have been several decent QB reclamations the past several years. Mac Jones has done a good job in SF with Purdy out. I think we should look to take a swing at that guy this off season.
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When you are drafting at or near the top of the first round and you do not have an established starting quarterback.
You almost have to draft a quarterback.
You may not be in that position again if your record improves.
Last year Ward went as the first pick. Apparently the teams in need of a quarterback felt he was the only guy worth being near the top of the draft.
We traded down. Not liking the QB choices.
If the team comes to the conclusion that when they pick that the quarterbacks available are not worth the pick value.
Then I could see drafting another position.
This 2026 draft will depend upon who declares. If Moore, Mendoza and Simpson declare and the Browns get a shot at drafting one of them.
They are almost forced to take the chance.
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Yesterday Arch Manning had his best game of the year.
You can see he is a damn good athlete.
Before this season began. Arch was the buzz. He was the anointed one.
Then he looked like anything other than a first round pick. Stay in school became the noise.
Now I am beginning to wonder if Arch doesn't become the guy to watch for?
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Based on just a few good games? We already have two project QB's. There's no point in making it three.
I can see a scenario where he gets a lot of first round hype, drops in the draft and fans will blame his failures on everyone but him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I think you and I are interpreting bone's post differently.
I toook it as him saying Arch stays in school and becomes the prize of the 2027 draft. I read you post as him sayinig Arch coming out and being the guy in the 2026 draft. Pit - is that an accurate interpretation of your post? Bone - can you clarify?
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If that's the case it was certainly a misunderstanding on my part. With the topic being QB prospects and the discussion was centered around possible QB picks for the Browns in this upcoming draft, you are correct on the impression I drew from his post.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Yesterday Arch Manning had his best game of the year.
You can see he is a damn good athlete.
Before this season began. Arch was the buzz. He was the anointed one.
Then he looked like anything other than a first round pick. Stay in school became the noise.
Now I am beginning to wonder if Arch doesn't become the guy to watch for? It’s was against 2-8 Arkansas. Their defense is absolutely atrocious. Arch is not coming out this year and he never was regardless of preseason hype.
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