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I am replying to Bone's post from last thread.



I want to add to this Bone. The draft is the main focus, which is understandable. The Berry/scouting dept also should be credited for identifying UDFAs that fit their system once the draft is concluded.

Examples:
Bond - as you stated above
Adin Huntington has shown some flashes as DT and plays regularly on ST and as an extra blocker
Gage Larvadain has been getting reps on offense and on ST
Donovan McMillon has contributed on ST

The same from previous drafts just not as strong:
Ronnie Hickman has been grown tremendously and has been a solid starter for the defense
Mohamoud Diabate has started a few games and a decent depth piece

I agree Bone. Stay the course with AB and KS. I think it would be a disaster to change either or both of them now. With another good draft and FA period we could compete for our division next year. Heck, if we won the 2-3 games we should have this year we'd be competing for the division now. The North isn't as strong as it once was which gives us a legit shot next year. Good conversation on this topic from my fellow posters!!!

There was a post on the Browns News 5.0 questioning Sanders accuracy when his stat lines were 11-20 and said that does not look like good accuracy. Accuracy is not measured by that metric 11-20 is completion % Sander's completion percentage was 55% for that game. Accuracy is a ball placement stat. Was the ball placed accurately per throw. On his 11 incompletions how, many passes were throwing the ball away. Balls being thrown away counts against a QB in completion percentage but not in accuracy.

Were his passes thrown accurate tells the story of his accuracy. Did he throw behind a receiver? did he have overthrown? Under thrown? Too far out in front? That is accuracy ball placement basically. Did he throw away a pass that he had someone open and missed the receiver is a completion percentage hit.

Something to consider when considering both accuracy and completion percentage is 1) correct read and 2) distance of throw. Sander's average 10.1 yards per throw and 20.1 yards per completion is the best the Browns have averaged all season in any game so far.

I am curious to see if he can improve on his pre and post snap reads and how quickly he can get the ball out to the correct read. When blitzed can he hit the hot route and make that read quickly. Looking mostly at his processing ability Sunday and when he plays going forward. Against the Raiders you can see he was focused on throwing the ball away and living to play another down. That is easier to do when you're up 14-3 and your defense is dominating than it is when your down 20-14 late in the 3rd quarter. When that happens, I want to see how he responds. Does he fall back into bad habits or continue to be disciplined.

If you can give a QB credit for a 66 yard TD in his passing stats for throwing the ball two yards up field you can use his completion percentage as a measure of accuracy. It's the exact same standard used to gauge the accuracy of every QB in the NFL.

Is it the perfect formula? No. But then again neither is giving a QB credit for 64 yards the receiver earned on a TD.

All QB's have to throw balls away to avoid sacks. That's a given.

Yes, they have to throw balls away and that hurts their completion percentage stat. Any time a QB throws a ball it is a completion. and incompletion, or Interception. The throw away balls don't hurt their accuracy, but it does hurt their completion percentage. Yes, receivers' yards after the catch can really help their yards per pass per completion percentage.

If you saw what you thought you saw then why did he barely complete over 50% of his passes? Did you not see his off passes? Did you not see him throw directly into double coverage? Look, I'm not trying to diss on the kid but his performance overall really wasn't that good.

If every college QB performed as well as they did in college every NFL team would have multiple franchise QB's on their rosters.

Even his W/L record in college wasn't that great.

I have been of the same train of thought. We all make mistakes / have failures. The important thing is taking those experiences and making a better informed decisions. The same applies to Kevin. I have said this the first couple years, I see what they are trying to do. A big portion of the time, I see the action they made and think: I get it, I see what they were trying to accomplish whether it either worked or it failed. That is a big reason why I am fine with patience with them.



To add: and maybe his staff has become more experienced too? I don't know the answer to that, just throwing it out there. I remember reading something awhile back saying the process has become better the last couple years with Catherine Hickman joining the front office in 2022.

Home, adding to your comment about another good draft/FA.

And our young players hopefully improving too.

As for the offense, the rookies have done some good to great things. However, with inexperience there are growing pains and learning on the job. Here are some things I've seen from our rookies (from watching video) that has added to issues to the offense stalling at time.

We have seen the good stuff, just adding to areas where their improvement will help in the future.

Gabriel/Sanders - No reason to speak on them, they've been spoken enough on here about their positives/negatives.

Quinshon - I haven't seen many major holes, just needs to clean up his pass blocking.

Dylan Sampson - Pass blocking, it's usually pretty normal for a RB to have a rough time their first year in pass blocking. Usually the main reason, they don't get a lot of snaps unless they are the #1 back. Pass blocking is one of the reasons we saw Ford more at the beginning of the year and now you are seeing less and less of him.

Harold Fannin - Dude has been pretty great in pass catching and his ability to get those extra yards. He's had a few solid blocks. However, there have been plenty of plays where he has been lost in lining up and being directed where to position, he's had a few plays every game where he seems to not know his assignment in blocking, and overall unconfident in blocking. What I mean is instead of going full speed into his blocking, he is very hesitant in engaging and the defender controls the engagement instead of Fannin directing him in his block. It's been rough watching him in blocking, however I understand patience. It took Njoku a couple years to become a solid blocker.

Isaiah Bond - route running and understanding the nuance of the position. Dude has been open quite a few times for some big plays with the QB missing it. However, timing, spacing, and I think running the wrong route(s) was rough through the games he's played. Just another thing that should improve with more games and experience.

Overall, I really love seeing the talent (the positional player) showing at times with each of these players. I am looking forward to seeing them grow and improve in their techniques required from their positions.

I agree with your post Scott. We have some good young players on O. Our WR group can use a top end player and another solid guy. We obviously need much better QB play. Whether SS is the answer or not remains to be seen. If we had a top 5 O-Line, our QB play and our O output would be better even with the guys we have. We really need upgrades there especially the OT positions. If we keep Pocic and Teller and draft some good tackles I think we'll be okay heading into next season. Wypler and Zinter may be good enough and Jones if healthy isn't bad. If we had 2 really good OT's this year, we'd be much better. I don't think we're that far off if we can have another draft and FA signings like this past year. AB has made some good picks and signings. He needs to do it again. In addition, I think keeping Pocic and Teller around would help new and young starters on the O-line. Vet experience.

I would say Sanders would get a solid B for his performance this past Sunday. For a player in his first start in the NFL he showed he could execute a game plan. He also sparked the team. That early long ball to Bond sparked the team. That was a play that has not happened in the first 10 games. I watched Myles Garrett miked up during the game on youtube and saw the reaction of the team on the sideline. Now can he continue to show improvement and keep the team sparked by his play? Young QBs have peaks and valleys. I will be curious to see how he reacts when valleys happen. He overcame the Interception vs the Raiders. Can he do the same and stay disciplined when trailing in a game? How does he react when things are tough and not going well. That is where franchise QB's show what they are made of. It will happen maybe as early as Sunday. That's what I am looking to see.

It doesn’t matter if our defense is the best thing since sliced bread if we don’t win games.

I can confirm, as I am sure many others can. I heard on the radio driving home.

Too bad for Collins. He was having a great season.

Weird. Teller in the dog house. Zinter still can’t crack the lineup.

I think we should take that OT we have KT Leveson and move him to guard if possible. He's not that good at tackle but he's huge 6'4' and 335 and a physical run blocker. Could be worth a shot.

Browns designate QB Deshaun Watson for return to practice
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-designate-qb-deshaun-watson-for-return-to-practice

QB1 2026!

... can you imagine? Wouldn't that be a knee slapper

Then he goes off and has a great season!!! Do you then resign him then? How much?

And then we give him a new contract, all guaranteed and then new allegations come out and he blows a knee.
That would break me

lol. The ultimate dark comedy.

Berry pulls the trigger MOST of the time- but, who do THEY employ as SCOUTS- who critiques them- and how much turn over......I like Fernando Mendoza- grad HS with 5.2 GPA, has TWO college degrees and throws some nice passes....PLUS, he's 6' 5". Got to consider him.

If there’s a QB we like when we pick we have to take him. We can’t mess around with this. I just hope that we don’t have to use our other number 1 to move up. Obviously where we end up will be very important.

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About that second 1st rounder...

We have 5 games left. I'm going to bet we win this weekend, maybe another if we gut it out v Pitt, who seems to be crumbling. We're currently drafting 5th or 6th depending on the list you look at. I think 4 wins keeps us just about where we are in the 4-7 range. 5 wins bumps us down to the 8-10 range (if it's like last year)

Everything I'm reading as of this moment, which can change quickly, is that there's 3 QBs generating most of the heat. Statistically speaking 1, maybe 2 of them will pan out. Maybe one other from later in the draft. A 3 quality QB draft is remarkable.

The good news is that the giants, saints, commanders and titans are all unlikely go QB but they may well trade out. Depends how much teams value Bain, Love, Tate and the other non-QBs. The Raiders, Jets, maybe the vikings, cards, dolphins and... steelers(!) will be looking to grab a QB and so maybe jump up.

So, we'll still need to move up regardless IMO, which means we're losing that second 1st rounder. Frankly, I think that's what it's there for. If we have 5 wins, we're going to have bundle a bunch more than just our second 1st rd pick to move up. A lot will depend on what their intel says about who wants who and how bad. A lot will depend on what we think we already have, and who we want and how bad. I do not have faith in Browns Intel. If we decide we want Mendoza or Simpson, we may have to err on the side of overspending to get into the top 3. Cost of doing business. I won't be mad about it.

I agree. We’re not good but not bad enough. I would love to see that 2nd first rounder used on an OT or WR but I don’t think it will happen. That’s where we need our scouts to really find some solid players in the later rounds and sign some quality FA. We probably won’t be able to fix everything in this coming offseason unfortunately.

I wonder if the Browns trade up.

I am keeping my eye on LaNorris Sellers. Does he declare? He has the most athletic attributes than the other quarterbacks, but will most likely need a year to develop.

If Sanders develops enough to start next year, it could potentially give the Browns options at quarterback.

With the second first round pick, they can draft Caleb Downs, Arvell Reese, or Carnell Tate! Defense has enough stars but Downs or Reese would be nice!

Sellers should return to school. He needs a lot of development. I suppose it depends on NIL money to return an the draft grade he receives from the panel.

Arvell Reese is being projected to go #1 overall assuming it's the Titans and they're don't trade out. Downs is a top 5 pick and Tate very likely a top 10-12 pick. Little to no shot at landing any of them with the second first round pick, which currently sits at overall pick #26.

Let the QB fall to the Browns and take whoever it is. Please do not throw away another first round pick to move up in the draft. Should have the option of at least Simpson or Moore unless Phil Knight writes a monster a check to Moore to get him back for another year at Oregon.

I would not mind seeing:

1a) Mendoza/Moore/Simpson
1b) Denzel Boston (WR)
2) Caleb Tiernan (OT)

Cleveland fans, press and I suspect ownership and maybe elements of the team (Garrett?) are not going to accept keeping a rd 1 QB sitting on the bench for a whole season. Especially if they're losing. Cleveland is just not that kind of organization or town. We're going to need him to hit the ground running. Maybe he gets a few games. I wish that weren't true but I believe it. And if we indeed draft a QB rd 1 then I suspect Sanders may start to become a problem. He has great distraction potential. I think if we draft a QB we trade Sanders for a ham sandwich and ride with DW, Gabriel and Zappe.

I haven't followed Sellers but have seen his name among the second tier guys. I trust the team scouts and the more knowledgeable folks on this board more that I but I've been right more than wrong over the years. Which isn't saying much. If you predict most will be a bust, you'll mostly be right

Sellers, development, or better players around him?

If they keep Sanders, none of the Sanders fans will play nice if the Browns hand the job over. It gives the new QB a chance to develop. Competition hurts no one!

Let the QB fall sounds great in theory but I've never been a fan of "take whoever is left" in terms of QB's. Of course teams get it wrong a lot of the time but you have to identify your target and go after him. Maybe you have two or even three targets. But you can't just say you'll take whoever is left.

Yeah, none of those 3 will be available at the top of the second-I just looked at ESPN first round draft and all three of those were top 10 picks.
We might have to trade up in the first to get Reese or Downs and stay pat for Tate in the first.

I don't want us to reach for another qb. We grabbed 2 of the top qb's available this year. I don't know if either will work out or not. There are quite a few free agent qb's next year.
I don't know what is up with JOK but the defense looks good. We need offensive line and wide receivers

The "build the team first" approach will only insure they win 6-8 games a year and it will be years before they ever get another draft pick this high to address the QB situation.

Worked for Buffalo. Josh Allen was 3rd QB taken. Worked for the Chiefs Mahomes was the 2nd QB taken but they did trade up for him. Most franchise QB's are taken in the first round but not #1 overall. Here are what most would consider the 13 best QB's in the NFL and 4 were #1 overall picks and 1st QB taken the other 9 were all not the first QB taken. Drafting QB's is not exact science I agree if you have a much higher grade on one than the others you mortgage the farm to get that QB. If they have similar grades you take best player available when your team selects if it is a QB that is even better.

Patriots Drake Maye 1st round 3rd pick 3rd QB taken.
Bills Josh Allen 1st round 7th pick 3rd QB taken.

Bengals Burrow 1st round 1st pick 1st QB taken.
Lamar Jackson 1st round 32nd pick 4th QB taken.

Trevor Lawrence 1st round 1st pick 1st QB taken.
CJ Stroud 1st round 2nd pick 2nd QB taken.

Patrick Mahomes 1st round 10th pick 2nd QB taken.
Justin Herbert 1st round 7th pick 3rd QB taken.

Jalen Hurts 2nd round 53rd pick 4th QB taken.
Jaden Daniels 1st round 2nd pick 2nd QB taken.
Caleb Williams 1st round 1st pick 1st QB taken.
Jordan Love 1st round 26 pick 4 QB taken.

Matt Stafford 1st round 1st pick 1st QB taken.

I didn't say or advocate for trading up to draft the first QB in this draft. As a matter of fact I would love nothing more than be able to see the Browns stand pat and have a QB they have targeted fall to them. I think what we have here is a miscommunication and that may be my fault.

Let's use Mahommes as an example from your list. First let's look at my actual quote.....


Now let me ask you, do you think KC saw Mahommes as "whoever is left" or do you believe he was a target of theirs all along?

You see there are many variables none of us know. As of now, even though we can take it all with grain of salt, there are three QB's considered in the top tier of QB prospects this year. I have no idea how the Browns view those three QB's. They may see all three of them being fairly equal and being potential franchise QB's. In that case they may be able to sit right where they are at and get a QB. They may only see two of them having that potential which may mean a slight trade up or still stand pat in the draft.

But I think that KC was not being foolish by drafting Mahommes at #10 because they saw him as a "who ever is left".

And I don't want the Browns to put in "who ever is left" position either. I would venture to guess that almost all, if not all of the QB's on your list were targets of the team who drafted them. That in each of those situations they saw those QB's as having a high potential of being their franchise QB. I don't think they saw them as "who ever if left"

And that's the exact same situation I want to see the Browns take advantage of in this upcoming draft. Whoever they draft at QB I want it to be a QB they see as a top QB.

That may not be the first QB taken. Hell, it may not even be the second QB taken. It just has to be "their guy". What it can't be is "who ever is left".

I hope that helps to clear things up.

They have no reason to let him go, as they pay his salary anyway. Maybe he asks for a release and negotiates a reduction is what he's owed to bring it about.

I’ve speculated about this happening more than once. It makes perfect sense for more than one reason.

Well Fernandez most likely just cemented himself as the first QB taken in this next draft. That boy has some real ZING on his passes. Julian just showed he is lacking in the arm talent for end of game hail marys.

I am fine if the Browns don't draft a QB high in the draft. I am not really that sold on Sanders yet due to his slow decision making but he throws a nice ball and perhaps he can improve himself in this offseason now that he knows what he needs to focus on improving.

I'd be fine with drafting Talen Green in the 4th round if he lasts that long. Sadly he is a decent QB on a not so decent team so he will most likely slide in the draft so I would not take him before the 4th. IF we end up with the same 3QB for 2026 I am also fine with that. Let Sanders start and Watson back him up. Provided we draft Nyck at WR somewhere in this draft and build up our offensive line I will be happy.

Well Fernandez most likely just cemented himself as the first QB taken in this next draft. That boy has some real ZING on his passes. Julian just showed he is lacking in the arm talent for end of game hail marys.

I am fine if the Browns don't draft a QB high in the draft. I am not really that sold on Sanders yet due to his slow decision making but he throws a nice ball and perhaps he can improve himself in this offseason now that he knows what he needs to focus on improving.

I'd be fine with drafting Talen Green in the 4th round if he lasts that long. Sadly he is a decent QB on a not so decent team so he will most likely slide in the draft so I would not take him before the 4th. IF we end up with the same 3QB for 2026 I am also fine with that. Let Sanders start and Watson back him up. Provided we draft Nyck at WR somewhere in this draft and build up our offensive line I will be happy.

I agree on competition, but QB is a bit different. Especially with the one we have. You don't want to breed a split fanbase, locker-room, and media.

If we draft a 1st round QB, we need to trade or cut Sanders. Now Zac Jackson has been threatened with defamation by some other reporter, claims of being racist, all sorts of things. I don't know what's true or untrue. The point is to highlight the circus surrounding the guy.

We brought the circus to town when we drafted Sanders. If we decide that Sanders is our guy, fine. Draft some other 4th or 5th round QB if you want to increase the competition in the room. Go with that decision and live with that decision. Use those 1st rounders to bring in players who will support your QB decision.

If we spend a 1st or a couple of 1sts on a QB, Sanders needs to go.

FYI...DW could quit, retire or disappear and the dead cap hit would be the same because future year's dead cap would accelerate into the moment he was gone. (They've already paid him more cash than just annual salary.) They can - and did - spread out the restructure cash payments to hit the cap 'down the road'. He is 100% going to be on the 53 next season.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news on the projected 2026 free agent QBs...there are two on the list who we could bring back.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/available/_/year/2026/position/qb/type/ufa

And it would insure we pick later in the draft so we would have to give up more for a QB.

If we draft a QB, which I think we will, we won't have those picks to use, but we have others

I think Sanders is proving he can be the starter. He is improving week after week. He looked better than Ward today too

I agree that he is improving. I don’t think he has proven he can be our starter but he has 4 games left to show us win or lose.

I hope that Sanders can keep improving. This team will get a LOT better if we don't draft a QB in the first 3 rounds of this next draft.

Trey Lance would be my pick if I had to put money on which QB bust was next to rise from the ashes.

Count me in for this. No QB, unless every scout in all of FB thinks teh next franchise guy is there when we pick. No trade up.

Wow, Fernando Mendoza is his name.

My bad, I am not great with names at all. I've only been watching him in the last few games because I normally don't like to watch college football that much. That being said ... I don't think the Browns could beat Ohio State or Indiana. Like OUCH.

Wonder if his winning percentage in the NFL will be over the MEndoza line???

Of course they would.

There's no doubt South Carolina had a terrible OL. It'll be interesting to see what Sellers does. Could make a lot more of money if he hits the portal. He was loyal to Beemer last year (and the $2M). Assured a first round grade and he very well may declare.

I do disagree on competition hurting no one. That may be true for every position except for the quarterback position. It's a singular position that needs the full faith and support of the entire organization.

I think that is totally dependent on the circumstances involved. If you have settled on your long term starter I believe you would be 100% correct. If however you are a team in flux at the QB position, competition is a must to make that final determination. Once you have made that determination if the presence of yet another QB on the roster is creating a continuing three ring circus, that QB has to go.

Once you go all in on your decision you must be all in.

Browns say Shedeur Sanders will be QB1 for rest of season
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47247544/browns-say-shedeur-sanders-qb1-rest-season

He has earned the right to start for the rest of the season and this FO and coaching staff certainly needs to take a longer look at how he may or may not develop moving forward.

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We will have to agree to disagree. I don't think the Browns could even put up a decent game against either of them. Both of those teams play with way better discipline and have more first round picks on both sides of the rosters. LOL I think the Browns would get blown out by either of them to the point it would be embarrassing to watch.

That is silly to think. The difference between the best and worst NFL teams are quite small. That is why it is so hard to win in the NFL. The players cut in August were all stars on their college teams. The Browns vs the Buckeyes or Hoosiers would be an absolute blow out. Both teams have 1st round talent that is correct, but both have quite a few players that will not make an NFL roster. There is also a difference between 18–22-year-olds vs 20- to 35-year-olds who have professional trainers working their muscle fitness to perfection. The amount of time watching and digesting film. While the product on Sunday looks bad it is still far superior to what is put on the field in the college game.

We hear it every year with rookies coming into the NFL about the speed of the game and trying to adjust to the speed. Ohio State has a better wide receiver room than the Browns with Jeramiah Smith and Carnell Tate but the level of cornerback and safeties they go up against in the NFL vs college would make a huge difference. Going up against the best corner man to man from Indiana vs going man to man with Denzil Ward is laughable. Both or those receivers are talented but have a learning curve ahead of them. Jerry Jeudy was also a dominant college wide receiver but he an average WR in the NFL. Will be better served as a #2 than he is right now as the go to receiver for the Browns.

This has been covered a lot.

Here is some perspective...

There was the annual Chicago Charities College All-Star Game from the 1934 until 1976.

From 1948 until 1976 the college all-stars managed to beat 5 NFL teams.

The last college All-Star win came in 1963, when Otto Graham helped beat the Packers, 20–17.

How far downhill have we fallen to the point that we are actually having this discussion....

Nobody is really having a discussion. One poster made some ridiculous, outlandish claim and others are simply pointing out how wrong it is. Does that qualify as a discussion? I don't think so.

Here’s something some may find ridiculous: a US college all-star team, given two months to gel, wound be pounded by the worst CFL team.

I feel ya! Athletes are far better today than they were back then though. The pace of the game between ohio and indiana was FAST. They made our team look slow by comparison. I just believe for a second that the worst teams in the NFL are better than the worst teams in the NFL. The thing to think about also is that the NFL has things to balance out teams but in college there is no limit and they can flat out stack the teams to be the best of the best with very unfair teams. I am willing to bet that the top 2 college teams are easily better than the worst 2 teams in the NFL.

We will never see it though because the NFL would never allow it. Although to me it would be FUN if the national college champions got a chance to enter the NFL playoffs as a wild card team. I would pay some money to watch that for sure! I think it would be a fun experience for the college kids too.

The best 2 college teams are still not even close to the 2 worst NFL teams. Yes, college teams can stack talent that is true. Even then they do not have 53 future NFL players on a roster, and many are not even developed to the point of ready to play in college. Many future NFL stars are red shirting right now. Why? They need to develop their bodies from high school to college. There is another level.

Look the Browns are not good NFL teams, but they have players that dominated in college and have developed since being in the NFL. Myles Garrett, Denzil Ward. Heck there was a time Jerry Jeudy was the top receiver in college football. Mason Graham a year ago in college shutdown Ohio State's run game. Do you think he would not do the same on the Browns? Then the Browns have corners that CAN play man vs Jeramiah Smith and Carnell Tate. Other college teams cannot. If Ohio State thought Indiana's defensive line was disruptive, try blocking Myles Garrett.

Olentangy Orange just won the Ohio Division 1 State Champions, and they are a great high school football team. UMass just went 0-12 in college football and 0-8 in the MAC. They would literally destroy Olentangy Orange. Same for Ohio State. Last year they won a National Championship, and they would get destroyed by the Browns. It would be utter domination. The Browns cut players in August that would start on Ohio State. Those players cut in August were all starters and many all-league starters on their college teams.

Let's take a logical look at your theory.

In 2024 OSU had a total of four players drafted into the NFL. Marvin Harrison Jr., Mike Hall, Cade Stover, and Tommy Eichenberg.

In 2015 after winning the national championship they had a total of 14 players drafted into the NFL. Six of those players drafted in rounds 4-6. Not top tier draft picks.

The Ohio State football roster is capped at 105 players for the 2025 season, a new NCAA rule change allowing more scholarship players (up to 85) and the rest walk ons. And last year that number was 120 players.

Out of all those players only 14 were drafted. The math alone says that OSU isn't beating any NFL team.

Only the best college players get drafted into the NFL. They are accumulated over several years to form an NFL rosters. College teams look great against each other but you are taking this a bridge too far.

This becomes a conversation every year. And you're correct. The worst NFL team would beat the best college team like a college team would beat a JV highschool team. It's not close. Of all the leaps, the leap from college to pro is easily the biggest. Almost everyone on the team was an absolute star of their college and high school teams. Yes, some people blossom later or are in bad situations and thus don't get scouted or drafted and they walk on etc etc. But most of them, if they were held a year or two behind or in a different situation, would have been the star of the team.

It's kinda reminds me of the men's vs women's tennis argument from years ago. There used to be a lot chatter about how the best women could stack up to men. I mean, the women got a LOT stronger in the 90's and 00's and eyeball test says it's possible, right? That was until the Williams sisters, who were ranked as the top women, said they could beat any man ranked lower than 200. They played the 203rd ranked man and he beat them in succession 6-1, 6-2. And it wasn't even as close as that would make it seem. Point being.. it looks like a top tier college team could challenge an NFL team. Um, actually no.

Wow. Thirty years. And still nowhere near a championship. Sad.

I was there, with my wife, and cousin, and his friend.

Got to a season ticket seats and the guy beside me had a saw blade. He cut his seat out, then asked me if I wanted it to cut my seats out. I said no, but ended up taking all 4 of the seats at the end of the game.

Still have MY season ticket seat hanging in my office.

I wish Art was still alive. That way I could wish him dead one more time. Ahhh, the memories. Still not in Canton, !!!

Don’t think I’ve forgotten Tagliabu, either.

A life of crime!

What IS that, fate?