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No, but not many are. Many teams have won championships without a generational talent at QB. Really, all you need is a good QB. The top 3 all look to have the chance to be a good NFL QB.

To me there are 4 tiers of NFL QB. Fair, average, good, and great. I said fair out of respect, but if some want to say bad, so be it

Fair are the guys who might stick in the league for a number of years as a back-up.

Peen, I totally agree!

If you use a meter to gauge between average and great, it would tell you how significant the talent around him needs to be.

In my opinion, Gabriel, at this time, is slightly below average. There is something to work with there. We will see with Sanders. Hopefully, we see something similar from him.

Why is this important? Having 2-3 quarterbacks on rookie contracts allows Berry to load up on FA talent around the quarterback. This will give Berry time to rebuild the offense through the draft, keeping the team competitive.

You're not wrong, but my point is that you'd need an Andrew Luck type QB to have any type of success with this supporting cast, starting with the pass protectors. We really should get 2 starting OTs... but we gotta get at least 1 (LT) in this upcoming draft. I'm going to assume, even with the inevitable cap manipulation that's coming, we still won't have the space to make any splashy signings after retaining our FAs that we want to keep. Starter-caliber LTs aren't generally found too far outside the top half of the first round.

I am not even sure a Luck or Manning would look all that great without a solid supporting cast. All of this projecting of QB's is predicated on the team finding a few blockers and receivers.

I am not even talking about all-star types. I am just talking about guys who are solid pros that any team in the league would be happy to have and start for except in very rare cases. We need players who can win at the LOS a good deal of the time. It's great if we can get a great player but a great player alone won't win you many games. Just look a Joe and Myles.

I do agree OOBS, I wouldn't mind skipping a QB and just draft receivers and Olinemen through maybe the first 3 rounds. Heck, maybe 4 rounds. Obviously BPA would have to play a role. I wouldn't want to limit my draft to positional needs just to do it.

For the QB, there have been several decent QB reclamations the past several years. Mac Jones has done a good job in SF with Purdy out. I think we should look to take a swing at that guy this off season.

Based on just a few good games? We already have two project QB's. There's no point in making it three.

I can see a scenario where he gets a lot of first round hype, drops in the draft and fans will blame his failures on everyone but him.

I think you and I are interpreting bone's post differently.

I toook it as him saying Arch stays in school and becomes the prize of the 2027 draft.
I read you post as him sayinig Arch coming out and being the guy in the 2026 draft.
Pit - is that an accurate interpretation of your post?
Bone - can you clarify?

If that's the case it was certainly a misunderstanding on my part. With the topic being QB prospects and the discussion was centered around possible QB picks for the Browns in this upcoming draft, you are correct on the impression I drew from his post.

It’s was against 2-8 Arkansas. Their defense is absolutely atrocious.

Arch is not coming out this year and he never was regardless of preseason hype.

I still wonder how many of the QB's that started the season hyped will be talked ab out after the season in a brighter light than they are now. Drake Maye's senior season at North Carolina was not a great performance either. Preseason Top 10 and finished 8-5. He also had 9 INT's that season. But was still drafted top 5 and looks good now.

I understand that is the conventional wisdom, and the wisdom we will probably follow.

I remember more than a few people were talking about trading for JJ this past off season. I really knew very little about him except it made no sense that the Vikes would trade him if they let Darnold walk. Meanwhile, apart from a very rough outing last week Darnold is having another renaissance year. Anyway, this would have been the most Brownsian trade had it happened, him coming here before turning into a frog. Thanksgiving is sometimes being relieved that Browns fans don't always get what they want: Linkipoo

And I'd support that logic. Granted I don't think Sanders is ever going the more than a C+ QB over the long term (a few A games, A few F games, a bunch of D+ to B- games). I just don't think he has the hunger and laser focus and resiliency when things get as inevitably ugly as they do in Cleveastan. I don't know if I'm hoping he balls out or falls out. The latter a little more perhaps because it'll at least cut the bickering come off season. Clarity is a gift, even if it comes in the form of flung poo.

I suspect some of the college QB's that were lesser known before the season began but have become buzzy this season will be advised by agents to strike while the iron is hot. And maybe some of the ones that were hot but have cooled and still have the option will be advised to stay in school. We already know Manning is staying. Every year there are relative lesser knowns that bubble up and whether they stay up or sink back down is anyone's guess (see: Nussmier). But getting that high 1st pick money when your up is smart money. I remember Mendoza being being in the 1st round conversation before the season began but I don't recall Simpson being talked about at all. It was all about Manning, Nussmier, Sellers, and Beck. And Aller. A few others including Mendoza. I would not be one tiny bit surprised to see us bundling picks to move up assuming we win another game or two. I just think everyone is keenly aware that as long as the QB is a ?, we will suck regardless of other pieces. We need a little realistic hope and every other priority comes after QB.

I was shocked in that the 49ers have only 12 sacks this season.

The injuries they've had have been pretty extensive. 4 DEs on IR now (Bosa, Williams [1st Rd], Gross-Matos, Jackson), plus the "brain" in Warner.

I am curious to see what happens with Drew Allar. I don't think he was good this year, but I think he's someone they'll probably be interested in if they can get him at a discount. I'm not sure I'd be interested, but do think his coaches were part of his problem.

Got hurt and wasn't playing great before then. But could be a buy low candidate if they aren't sold on the guys that come out.

I still lean this way, but he might not come out:

I like Simpson. That said, if we draft a QB that high that means we don't think Sanders can carry the load.

If we draft a QB that high, we need to trade or cut Sanders. He is a team wrecker. Maybe not him so much but the fan hype and media hype pulls the team apart. We don't need any of that next season.

Sanders either shows he is our QB of the future, or we trade him. Whoever we draft needs to be designated as the QB of the future. Keep Zappe around to act as mentor for a while, possible start a game or two but it must be clear the new guy is the guy and will be the guy for at least 2-3 seasons.

Gabriel is probably destined to be a good back-up who might stick in the league for 10 years. We need to keep him in that role.

JMO

I'm just wondering what people feel Sanders would have to do in a six game window that would sell this FO that he is the long term future at the QB position? That's a pretty small sample size to gamble your future on.

I agree. We're in a tough spot with Sanders. 6 games probably won't be enough time with him unless he starts lighting it up in those 6 games then we may have an answer but that's not likely. Shedeur probably figures he should be a starter not a backup so if we do draft a QB high I'm sure we would trade him because all the talking heads will say we didn't give him a fair shot and that would be a distraction. We're between a rock and a hard place in this situation. We still don't know definitively what QB's will be coming out in April where we'll be drafting etc. Many questions with no answers at this point. I would like to add that I really like Shedeur and want him to succeed. I feel he does have upside and the potential to be a good solid starter for us.

I didn't think he played well last year but I only watched him in games against good teams. When he was touted as a top 5 pick at the beginning of the season I was very surprised. I looked upo his stats and was surprised to see he threw for a lot of years and TDs. Then I looked at game vs game, and he really had big days against bad teams, and I read he completed 48% of his passes against "good teams" I don't know if that meant winning records or top 25 ranked teams.