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So trump said " As an example, millions of thousands of refugees from Somalia are completely taking over the once great State of Minnesota. Somalian gangs are roving the streets looking for "prey" as our wonderful people stay locked in their apartments and houses hoping against hope that they will be left alone" and used a derogatory term for mentally challenged that no adult should be using . What a disgrace

Wag the Dog!

Seems more and more that this is a Wag the Dog situation,.


And still, people persist in saying "he's saving out country"!

From What? We need saved... No question. But from Trump and his idiot croonies.

I’ll take things that never happened for $1000 Alex.

What the hell is he talking about.

I've read nothing and believe me, if it was, the MSM would be all over it.

MSM?

A piece of human garbage calling other people human garbage.

Calling an entire group of American citizens garbage.

This is who he has always been. And out of everyone they could have nominated and elected this is who they chose. What exactly does that say about them?

When Trump calls Somalis “garbage,” I respond: how many Somalis are in the Epstein files?

Main Stream Media... The thing that Trump thinks is the Devil.....

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I like that answer.....

Sorry, I am in favor of finding the fraud and ship them out.

They seem to be good at using resources that cost the taxpayer money and little else. They are pirates who left the high seas and moved here.

Who is "they"? Those within a group of people that have done this or are you saying it in terms of all Somalians are like this based on those who have done this? Are you trying to say that most Somalians in America do not work? If so other than right wing talking points what would you be basing that on?

I'm all for shipping anyone out that is not a citizen and is convicted if a felony.

I wasn't there when all the Irish and Italians immigrated into the USA. I wasn't even born yet, but I didn't hear stories from my Grandfather about how they were treated when they arrived. Some legally, others not so much.

Those that were here before them thought they were all gangsters and thieves. That proved to be incorrect. Most were just those seeking a better life. Just like everyone else that came here back in the day.. And those that come here now.

It's what made America what it is. But to hear it from MAGA, that's not the case.

Putting everyone in a single bucket is, if you don't mind me saying so, kinda dumb. The exact opposite has been proven to be the case over and over again.

A little proof for you. How much did Illegals pay in income tax in 2024? Over $90 Billion. How much did illegals get in Benefits from the USA? Some emergency room treatment but no SS, No Unemployment, No Medicare, No Medicaid..... ETC.

(Reagan signed the emergency room thing into law so its legal. known as EMTALA, 1986)

So what's happening now is, Republicans (MAGA) is lying about what it's costing us. Hell, we are making out like Bandits on this. We pick up $90 Billion and pay out next to nothing and we get out crops picked and grass cut (examples). But hey, keep right on knocking everyone and anyone you can. Just to make Trump happy.

Functionally the immigration laws did not exist until 1882, and some the laws of passed in 1882 were intended to exclude Chinese.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/publications/CIR-1790Timeline.pdf

I never said all. Don't worry, with all the allegations as to the size of the theft, auditors will be all up the butt of Minnesota officials. Lot's of people are going to get caught up in this.

The Irish and Italian immigrants didn't receive much to any public assistance either.

Get all caught up in what? What do any Minnesota officials have to do with it?

If I were you I wouldn't get caught up in all the buzz of "allegations". I mean if you bother to look around you. They still haven't found anyone foolish enough to try and bring charges against Comey again and a second grand jury refused to approve charges on again Letitia James. So far a lot of allegations have shown to be nothing but hot air.

Like all the charges against the President.

Anyway, we can just wait and see where all of this goes. You have your suspected outcome, as do I.

Say What ???

You're not paying attention or you are convineintly forgetting all the very many charges against Trump that have been substantiated. Ajudicated as a rapist - found liable in a civil court of law. Financial misconduct ... personally I find the words out of his own mouth where he confessed to sexual abuse by grabbing girl's vaginas without their consent to be an admission of guilt. Even the Mueller report was actually damning and sighted obstruction - but Barr lied about the content and the narrative was changed.

By comparison you have the POTUS saying out loud he wants to specifically go after political opponents who just happen to be peaople who tried to hold him accountable. You've got observable facts in malpractice in order to bring those charges against those targets - and then the cases were not tried - they were dismissed.

Completely - 100% - total and utter false equivelents.

Has there been too much noise and people going over board with things Trump says? Does? Sure ... none of that diminishes the big things he did, does and continues to do.

I really have no idea what that even means. I suppose you may have been bamboozled into believing that Biden had some nefarious plot to "get trump". But I have seen nothing that didn't have merit he was investigated for or charged with. While at the same time I've seen nothing that would tie any Minnesota officials into this.

When you falsify business records to cover up paying off a porn star you committed a crime. Taking government documents and purposefully defying a subpoena for months to turn them over is a crime. And anyone who has looked into it knows you must prove intent that you took them on purpose and your intent is to keep them. There is no doubt whatsoever that's what trump was doing.

Poor little Donnie. Every crime he commits, it's always someone elses fault and they're all just picking on him.

And then they call the Democrats snowflakes.

While trump actually orders his DOJ to go after his political opponents and they blame the Democrats for that too.

Drinking way too much of the liberal cool aid I see!!!

What I see is you offer nothing to dispute anything I posted while all you posted in response is one line of meaningless nonsense. Typical trumpian reply.

Did trump refuse a subpoena to turn over classified documents for months?

Did trump falsify business records to disguise payments he made to Stormy Daniels?

Did a jury determine trump committed sexual assault?

Did trump agree that he defrauded his own charity and it was so egregious that severe restrictions were placed on him such as The Donald J. Trump Foundation was permanently shut down under court supervision in 2018/2019 after the New York Attorney General's office filed a lawsuit alleging "a shocking pattern of illegality," including self-dealing and unlawful political coordination. Donald Trump's Restrictions as a part of the settlement, agreed to a regime of restrictions on any future service on a charity's board of directors, including a total ban on self-dealing. Any new charity he forms must comply with specific oversight requirements and report to the Attorney General's office for five years? And that he was ordered to pay $2 million in damages, which was distributed to eight unrelated charities, for illegally misusing the foundation's funds for political and business purposes or not?

Did he reach a settlement agreeing to pay a $25 million agreement finalized in 2018 to resolve lawsuits alleging fraudulent practices at Donald Trump's real estate seminar business which he actually called a "university" involving claims of false advertising, unqualified instructors, and high-pressure sales for costly programs? The settlement, which included payments to over 6,000 former students and a $1 million penalty to New York State, marked an end to two class-action suits and a case brought by the NY Attorney General, despite Trump's prior refusal to settle or not?

I have facts while you have some one line BS about how it's me who is drinking the Kool-Aid.

And just remember some of the things trump has said about settling lawsuits because he lies to you all the time......

"I don't settle cases".

"I don't do it because that's why I don't get sued very often, because I don't settle, unlike a lot of other people".

"When you settle lawsuits everybody sues you".

Yet you keep believing this idiot and can't see it's you who are drinking the Kool-Aid.

#thoughtsandprayers

Try paying attention and join us in the world of reality for a change. You may find that helpful.

No thanks. I am an American. Not a citizen of the world. Not a socialist. That blindly follows whatever your master the government or media tell you.

None of which has anything to do with what I posted. Exactly as I suspected. There are may however who sound no less crazy than you.

One specific poll from April 2023 found that 52% of self-identified MAGA Republicans said Vladimir Putin was a better president than Joe Biden when asked in a direct comparison.

Well done Comrade.

There is a very long list of who could be better Presidents than Joe Biden was. That list may even include Jimmy Carter and I never thought anyone would have been worse than him.

Still avoided every point I brought up during this thread. I can't say I blame you. What actual choice did you have?

The Steele dossier was an illegal document and those behind that document should have been thrown in jail. That dossier and those that conspired to use it to destroy a political foe are the true criminals. I do not believe 99% of the crap the left has thrown up against Trump. Why would I believe anything from a party that is so confused they allowe men in women's restroom/locker rooms. They advocate to murder the most innocent of human being's, unborn babies. Sick! demented! Evil! Why should I believe there is any good in that side? Why would I believe anything they say against our current President? Most of the powerful left are made up of pedophiles that want to make hard working American citizens peasants. No thanks.

So I take that to mean you believe there should be consequences for leveraging government assets to attack political opponents purely for political and personal reasons?

So you are simply throwing out what you "think and feel" regarding the Steele Dossier' even though much of its content were shown to be true. Aw, those feelings mean so much.

So now you bring up the trans issue. Which once again has nothing to do with the topic.

Having a "choice" isn't advocating anything other than to give women a choice.

advocate; a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy.

The policy being advocated is choice, not to "advocate to murder the most innocent of human being's, unborn babies." Someone needs to buy you a dictionary for Christmas. Let me guess, you don't believe in the definition of words either?

Yeah, the president who did everything in his power to cover up the Epstein files to protect pedophiles seems to be an issue you are having trouble understanding.


You don't need to. Here is what you are not believing. You are not believing juries. Through all of your mindless rants it seems to have escaped you that it was not Biden who convicted trump. It was not Merrick Garland nor Letitia James. A jury convicted trump. A jury who heard the charges, listened to the evidence and made a decision based on that evidence to convict him.

It wasn't the democrats who chose to settle all of those lawsuits. It was trump who settled those suits because he knew he couldn't win those lawsuits.

It wasn't "the democrats" who found trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carol. Once again it was a jury who heard all of the evidence.

Once again you brought up a host of issues that had nothing to do with this topic. You blamed the democrats for the decision of juries and settlements trump agreed to.

Sadly you can't see that what you have chosen to believe are the lies that spew from trump's face on a daily basis that proves he's a habitual liar. Yet you blame everyone else for it and pretend they are the evil ones.


How is that working out for you? I think the question you should be asking yourself is why do you believe anything trump tells you?

The fraud in Minnesota is now approaching Somalia's entire GDP.





But he didn't do anything wrong -- Trump did. All this fraud is Trump's fault for investigating it!!




It wasn't just Trump that dodged a bullet. It's insane to think we almost elected Boxed-Wine-Word-Salad and a stumbling, bumbling, bald-face-lying SNAKE. WoWza!

It's pretty pitiful. I would almost be in favor of Federalizing the state until that can get their crap together.

Bring in the army now!!!!

Just wondering, Did the Somalis eat the cats and dogs?

What happened to all of you who wanted a smaller federal government? What happened to all of you who screamed to the mountain top about states rights? Now you are all cheering about putting federal troops on the streets of our cities and federalizing states? Sounds like you want the federal government to take over everything. And then you wonder why so many call you a bunch of fascists.

Like you and Peen?

State rights yeah. State rights nah…what ever fits your narrative today.Mr. Peen. You flip flop to the cold side of the pillow every minute.

I hope they have tampons in the men's bathrooms in federal prison, or this chick will be bleeding all over the floor.

First, I said I would almost be in favor.

Second, these aren't typical states rights issues.

Nine $billion in missing funds from one state impacts every state. The Feds are obligated to get involved when it appears a state can't manage it's own programs and citizens.

The same goes with calling up national guard troops. If a city can't control what is happening inside it's limits, the state needs to step in to restore order. If the state can't or refuses to act, the Feds need to step in to restore order.

It pretty much common sense, don't you think?

Currently the federal government has a former heroin addict, anti-vaxxer who had a brain worm with no medical degree running Department of Health and Human Services. Who is obligated to get involved with that? Do you have any idea how many billions of dollars the federal government has been connned out of? Do you know just how lame that sounds?


Yet crime, especially violent crime is lower than it was during trump's first term. Just like Portland. Nobody needed to "step in" in Portland. Or any other major city for that matter. You're just buying into the BS trump has been spewing as excuses to play a strong man.


It is. The problem is many who have common sense aren't using it. They are buying into a bunch of propaganda being spewed to convince them that the way America has conducted itself for over two centuries now no longer matters. In many cases turning their backs on the very things they stood for most of their life. And they can't even see it.

Common sense certainly isn't very common these days.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6387005186112

Nick Shirley exposed the fraud firsthand. What a fantastic job this individual reporter did that most reporters just turn a blind eye to blatant fraud of our tax dollars. There needs to be quite a few politicians jailed for this scandal. Need to send a strong message to politicians that our tax dollars is not available for them to use to bring in foreigners to ensure their future votes. This is just sick. 9 Billon dollars missing.

I hope the truth of the situation is revealed and those at fault held accountable. Fully.

I wish that everyone would hold their politicians accountable - whether it's ICE agents stepping on the rights of US citizens. Illegal targeting of small boats and oil tankers and now a military strike on land. Sending in the Nat Gaurd unconstitutionally. The list is LONG - but all we get out of MAGA is pom-pom waving and regurgitating the Trump lies. Hell we even have MAGA being the puppets of Putin and Russia - repeating the same lies and spin straight from Putin.

The hilarious part is where this was posted in regards to the Nick Shirley's report because he indicated nothing of the kind.......


But then right wing nuts are going to right wing nut.

If there was a crazy man talking on the corner and saying this sort of thing - or someone bombed out of their gourd on drugs or alcohol ... would you stop and worry about what they said? .... some things are better left and not engaged with.

Pointing it out in no way indicates worry. But yes, I do tend to point out far right wing nuts. When you have one of them running the country it all flows downhill from there. Pointing them out provides iron clad evidence they believe trump's BS and his lies and no matter how much trump lies to them his deception is working on a segment of our society. The source of that problem are people who think that way which voted for him. They live among us.

Democrats will stop at nothing to purchase new voters. That's why Sleepy's handlers let 15M new voters cross the border. Any third-grader can see what's going on, anyone with a (D) on their chest turns a blind eye.

No vote left behind!

Here is the link from the DOJ in Sept of 2022 with indictments against 47 people associated with the fraud. This has been more people charged.

Looks like their was a fraud crime and has been uncovered.

U.S. Attorney Announces Federal Charges Against 47 Defendants in $250 Million Feeding Our Future Fraud Scheme
Tuesday, September 20, 2022
For Immediate Release
Office of Public Affairs
Nonprofit Feeding Our Future and 200+ Meal Sites in Minnesota Perpetrated the Largest COVID-19 Fraud Scheme in the Nation
The Department of Justice announced today federal criminal charges against 47 defendants for their alleged roles in a $250 million fraud scheme that exploited a federally-funded child nutrition program during the COVID-19 pandemic.

“These indictments, alleging the largest pandemic relief fraud scheme charged to date, underscore the Department of Justice’s sustained commitment to combating pandemic fraud and holding accountable those who perpetrate it,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “In partnership with agencies across government, the Justice Department will continue to bring to justice those who have exploited the pandemic for personal gain and stolen from American taxpayers.”

“Today’s indictments describe an egregious plot to steal public funds meant to care for children in need in what amounts to the largest pandemic relief fraud scheme yet,” said FBI Director Christopher Wray. “The defendants went to great lengths to exploit a program designed to feed underserved children in Minnesota amidst the COVID-19 pandemic, fraudulently diverting millions of dollars designated for the program for their own personal gain. These charges send the message that the FBI and our law enforcement partners remain vigilant and will vigorously pursue those who attempt to enrich themselves through fraudulent means.”

“This was a brazen scheme of staggering proportions,” said U.S. Attorney Andrew M. Luger for the District of Minnesota. “These defendants exploited a program designed to provide nutritious food to needy children during the COVID-19 pandemic. Instead, they prioritized their own greed, stealing more than a quarter of a billion dollars in federal funds to purchase luxury cars, houses, jewelry, and coastal resort property abroad. I commend the work of the skilled investigators and prosecutors who unraveled the lies, deception, and mountains of false documentation to bring this complex case to light.”

The 47 defendants are charged across six separate indictments and three criminal informations with charges of conspiracy, wire fraud, money laundering, and bribery.

As outlined in the charging documents, the defendants devised and carried out a massive scheme to defraud the Federal Child Nutrition Program. The defendants obtained, misappropriated, and laundered millions of dollars in program funds that were intended as reimbursements for the cost of serving meals to children. The defendants exploited changes in the program intended to ensure underserved children received adequate nutrition during the COVID-19 pandemic. Rather than feed children, the defendants enriched themselves by fraudulently misappropriating millions of dollars in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.

The Federal Child Nutrition Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), is a federally-funded program designed to provide free meals to children in need. The USDA’s Food and Nutrition Service administers the program throughout the nation by distributing federal funds to state governments. In Minnesota, the Minnesota Department of Education (MDE) administers and oversees the Federal Child Nutrition Program. Meals funded by the Federal Child Nutrition Program are served by “sites.” Each site participating in the program must be sponsored by an authorized sponsoring organization. Sponsors must submit an application to MDE for each site. Sponsors are also responsible for monitoring each of their sites and preparing reimbursement claims for their sites. The USDA then provides MDE federal reimbursement funds on a per-meal basis. MDE provides those funds to the sponsoring agency who, in turn, pays the reimbursements to the sites under its sponsorship. The sponsoring agency retains 10 to 15 percent of the funds as an administrative fee.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, the USDA waived some of the standard requirements for participation in the Federal Child Nutrition Program. Among other things, the USDA allowed for-profit restaurants to participate in the program, as well as allowed for off-site food distribution to children outside of educational programs.

Aimee Bock was the founder and executive director of Feeding Our Future, a nonprofit organization that was a sponsor participating in the Federal Child Nutrition Program. The indictments charge Bock with overseeing a massive fraud scheme carried out by sites under Feeding Our Future’s sponsorship. Feeding Our Future went from receiving and disbursing approximately $3.4 million in federal funds in 2019 to nearly $200 million in 2021.

As part of the charged scheme, Feeding Our Future employees recruited individuals and entities to open Federal Child Nutrition Program sites throughout the state of Minnesota. These sites, created and operated by the defendants and others, fraudulently claimed to be serving meals to thousands of children a day within just days or weeks of being formed. The defendants created dozens of shell companies to enroll in the program as Federal Child Nutrition Program sites. The defendants also created shell companies to receive and launder the proceeds of their fraudulent scheme.

To carry out the scheme, the defendants also created and submitted false documentation. They submitted fraudulent meal count sheets purporting to document the number of children and meals served at each site. The defendants submitted false invoices purporting to document the purchase of food to be served to children at the sites. The defendants also submitted fake attendance rosters purporting to list the names and ages of the children receiving meals at the sites each day. These rosters were fabricated and created using fake names. For example, one roster was created using names from a website called “www.listofrandomnames.com.” Because the program only reimbursed for meals served to children, other defendants used an Excel formula to insert a random age between seven and 17 into the age column of the rosters.

Despite knowing the claims were fraudulent, Feeding Our Future submitted the fraudulent claims to MDE and then disbursed the fraudulently obtained Federal Child Nutrition Program funds to the individuals and entities involved in the scheme.

In exchange for sponsoring these sites’ fraudulent participation in the program, Feeding Our Future received more than $18 million in administrative fees to which it was not entitled. In addition to the administrative fees, Feeding Our Future employees solicited and received bribes and kickbacks from individuals and companies sponsored by Feeding Our Future. Many of these kickbacks were paid in cash or disguised as “consulting fees” paid to shell companies created by Feeding Our Future employees to make them appear legitimate.

When MDE attempted to perform necessary oversight regarding the number of sites and amount of claims being submitted, Bock and Feeding Our Future gave false assurances that they were monitoring the sites under its sponsorship and that the sites were serving the meals as claimed. When MDE employees pressed Bock for clarification, Bock accused MDE of discrimination and unfairly scrutinizing Feeding Our Future’s sites. When MDE denied Feeding Our Future site applications, Bock and Feeding Our Future filed a lawsuit accusing MDE of denying the site applications due to discrimination in violation of the Minnesota Human Rights Act.

In total, Feeding Our Future opened more than 250 sites throughout the state of Minnesota and fraudulently obtained and disbursed more than $240 million in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds. The defendants used the proceeds of their fraudulent scheme to purchase luxury vehicles, residential and commercial real estate in Minnesota as well as property in Ohio and Kentucky, real estate in Kenya and Turkey, and to fund international travel.

“Exploiting a government program intended to feed children at the time of a national crisis is the epitome of greed,” said Special Agent in Charge Justin Campbell of the IRS Criminal Investigation, Chicago Field Office. “As alleged, the defendants charged in this case chose to enrich themselves at the expense of children. Instead of feeding the future, they chose to steal from the future. IRS – Criminal Investigation is pleased to join our law enforcement partners to hold these defendants accountable.”

United States v. Aimee Marie Bock, et al., 22-CR-223 (NEB/TNL), charges 14 defendants with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering for their roles the Federal Child Nutrition Program fraud scheme. In April 2020, Safari Restaurant enrolled in the Federal Child Nutrition Program under the sponsorship of Feeding Our Future. The owners of Safari Restaurant and their co-conspirators opened additional sites throughout the state of Minnesota, as well as dozens of shell companies. Over the course of the fraud scheme, the defendants claimed to have served millions of meals. Based on their fraudulent claims, the defendants received more than $32 million in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds, which they misappropriated for their own personal benefit, including expenditures such as vehicles, real estate, and travel.

United States v. Abdiaziz Shafii Farah, et al., 22-CR-124 (NEB/TNL), charges eight defendants with conspiracy, wire fraud, federal programs bribery, and money laundering for their roles the Federal Child Nutrition Program fraud scheme. In April 2020, Empire Cuisine and Market LLC enrolled in the Federal Child Nutrition Program under the sponsorship of Feeding Our Future and Sponsor A. The owners of Empire Cuisine and Market LLC and their co-conspirators opened additional sites throughout the state of Minnesota, as well as dozens of shell companies. Over the course of the fraud scheme, the defendants claimed to have served millions of meals. Based on their fraudulent claims, the defendants received more than $40 million in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds, which they misappropriated for their own personal benefit, including expenditures such as vehicles, travel, real estate, and property in Kenya.

United States v. Qamar Ahmed Hassan, et al., 22-CR-224 (NEB/TNL), charges eight defendants with conspiracy, wire fraud, and money laundering for their roles the Federal Child Nutrition Program fraud scheme. In August 2020, S & S Catering Inc. enrolled in the Federal Child Nutrition Program under the sponsorship of Feeding Our Future. The owner of S & S Catering and other co-conspirators opened sites across the Twin Cities and claimed to have served millions of meals. Based on their fraudulent claims, the defendants received more than $18 million in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds, which they misappropriated for their own personal benefit, including expenditures such as vehicles and real estate.

United States v. Haji Osman Salad, et al., 22-CR-226 (NEB/TNL), charges five defendants with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering for their roles in the Federal Child Nutrition Program fraud scheme. The owner of Haji’s Kitchen LLC and other co-conspirators enrolled in the Federal Child Nutrition Program under the sponsorship of Feeding Our Future and Sponsor A. The co-conspirators opened sites across the state of Minnesota, as well as multiple shell companies. Over the course of the fraud scheme, the defendants claimed to have served millions of meals. Based on their fraudulent claims, the defendants received more than $25 million in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds, which they misappropriated for their own personal benefit, including expenditures such as vehicles, real estate, and travel.

United States v. Liban Yasin Alishire, et al., 22-CR-222 (NEB/TML), charges three defendants with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs, federal programs bribery, and money laundering for their roles in the Federal Child Nutrition Program fraud scheme. The owner of Community Enhancement Services Inc. and other co-conspirators opened multiple sites and shell companies in the JigJiga Business Center in Minneapolis. Over the course of the fraud scheme, the defendants claimed to have served hundreds of thousands of meals. Based on their fraudulent claims, the defendants received more than $1.6 million in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds, which they misappropriated for their own personal benefit, including expenditures such as vehicles, real estate, and beach property in Kenya.

United States v. Sharmake Jama, et al., 22-CR-225 (NEB/TNL), charges six defendants with wire fraud, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering for their roles in the Federal Child Nutrition Program fraud scheme. In September 2020, Brava Restaurant & Café LLC, a site located in Rochester, Minnesota, enrolled in the Federal Child Nutrition Program under the sponsorship of Feeding Our Future. The owners of Brava Restaurant & Café and other co-conspirators claimed to have served millions of meals from Brava Restaurant & Café and falsely claimed to have a contract with Rochester Public Schools. Based on their fraudulent claims, the defendants received approximately $4.3 million in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds, which they misappropriated for their own personal benefit, including expenditures such as vehicles, real estate, and property on the Mediterranean coast of Turkey.

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The following defendants are named in the United States v. Aimee Marie Bock, et al. indictment:

Aimee Marie Bock, 41, of Apple Valley, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery. Bock was the founder and executive director of Feeding Our Future. Bock oversaw the $240 million fraud scheme carried out by sites under Feeding Our Future’s sponsorship.
Abdikerm Abdelahi Eidleh, 39, of Burnsville, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Eidleh was an employee of Feeding Our Future who solicited and received bribes and kickbacks from individuals and sites under the sponsorship of Feeding Our Future. Eidleh also created his own fraudulent sites.
Salim Ahmed Said, 33, of Plymouth, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Said was an owner and operator of Safari Restaurant, a site that received more than $16 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Abdulkadir Nur Salah, 36, of Columbia Heights, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Abdulkadir Salah was an owner and operator of Safari Restaurant, a site that received more than $16 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Ahmed Sharif Omar-Hashim, 39, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Omar-Hashim created a company called Olive Management Inc., a site that received approximately $5 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Abdi Nur Salah, 34, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Abdi Salah registered Stigma-Free International, a non-profit entity used to carry out the scheme with sites throughout Minnesota, including in Willmar, Mankato, St. Cloud, Waite Park, and St. Paul.
Abdihakim Ali Ahmed, 36, of Apple Valley, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Abdihakim Ahmed created ASA Limited LLC, a site that received approximately $5 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Ahmed Mohamed Artan, 37, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Artan registered Stigma-Free International, a non-profit entity used to carry out the scheme with sites throughout Minnesota, including in Willmar, Mankato, St. Cloud, Waite Park, and St. Paul.
Abdikadir Ainanshe Mohamud, 30, of Fridley, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Mohamud ran the Stigma-Free Willmar site. This site claimed to have served approximately 1.6 million meals and received more than $4 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Abdinasir Mahamed Abshir, 30, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Abdinasir Abshir ran the Stigma-Free Mankato site. This site claimed to have served more than 1.6 million meals and received approximately $5 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Asad Mohamed Abshir, 32, of Mankato, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Asad Abshir ran the Stigma-Free Mankato site. This site claimed to have served more than 1.6 million meals and received approximately $5 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Hamdi Hussein Omar, 26, of St. Paul, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Omar ran the Stigma-Free Waite Park site. This site claimed to have served more than 500,000 meals and received more than $1 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Ahmed Abdullahi Ghedi, 32, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Ghedi created ASA Limited LLC, a site that received approximately $5 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Abdirahman Mohamud Ahmed, 54, of Columbus, Ohio, is charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and money laundering. Abdirahman Ahmed was an owner and operator of Safari Restaurant, a site that received more than $16 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
The following defendants are named in the United States v. Abdiaziz Shafii Farah, et al. indictment:

Abdiaziz Shafii Farah, 33, of Savage, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, money laundering, and false statements in a passport application. Abdiaziz Farah was an owner and operator of Empire Cuisine and Market LLC, a for-profit restaurant that participated in the scheme as a site, as a vendor for other sites, and as an entity to launder fraudulent proceeds. Empire Cuisine and Market and other affiliated sites received more than $28 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Mohamed Jama Ismail, 49, of Savage, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Ismail was an owner and operator of Empire Cuisine and Market LLC, a for-profit restaurant that participated in the scheme as a site, as a vendor for other sites, and as an entity to launder fraudulent proceeds. Empire Cuisine and Market and other affiliated sites received more than $28 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Mahad Ibrahim, 46, of Lewis Center, Ohio, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Ibrahim was the president and owner of ThinkTechAct Foundation, a Minnesota non-profit organization that also operated under the name Mind Foundry Learning Foundation. ThinkTechAct and Mind Foundry created dozens of sites throughout Minnesota, including in Minneapolis, St. Paul, Bloomington, Burnsville, Faribault, Owatonna, Shakopee, Circle Pines, and Willmar. ThinkTechAct received more than $18 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Abdimajid Mohamed Nur, 21, of Shakopee, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Abdimajid Nur created Nur Consulting LLC to receive and launder Federal Child Nutrition Program funds from Empire Cuisine and Market, ThinkTechAct, and other entities involved in the scheme.
Said Shafii Farah, 40, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Said Farah, the brother of Abdiaziz Farah, was an owner of Bushra Wholesalers LLC, a shell company used to launder fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Abdiwahab Maalim Aftin, 32, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Aftin was an owner of Bushra Wholesalers LLC, a shell company used to launder fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Mukhtar Mohamed Shariff, 31, of Bloomington, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Shariff was the chief executive officer of Afrique Hospitality Group, a shell company used to fraudulent obtain and launder Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Hayat Mohamed Nur, 25, of Eden Prairie, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, and money laundering. Hayat Nur, the sister of Abdimajid Nur, participated in the scheme by creating and submitting fraudulent meal count sheets, attendance rosters, and invoices.
The following defendants are named in the United States v. Qamar Ahmed Hassan, et al. indictment:

Qamar Ahmed Hassan, 53, of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Hassan was the owner and operator of S & S Catering Inc., a for-profit restaurant and catering business that participated in the scheme as a distribution site and as a vendor for other sites. S & S Catering received more than $18 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Sahra Mohamed Nur, 61, of Saint Anthony, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Nur ran a site called Academy For Youth Excellence that used S & S Catering as a vendor.
Abdiwahab Ahmed Mohamud, 32, of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Mohamud ran a site called Academy For Youth Excellence that used S & S Catering as a vendor.
Filsan Mumin Hassan, 28, of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Hassan ran a site called Youth Higher Educational Achievement that falsely claimed to serve up to 4,300 meals a day.
Guhaad Hashi Said, 46, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Hashi ran a site under the name Advance Youth Athletic Development that falsely claimed to serve up to 5,000 meals a day.
Abdullahe Nur Jesow, 62, of Columbia Heights, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Jesow ran a site called Academy For Youth Excellence that used S & S Catering as a vendor.
Abdul Abubakar Ali, 40, of St. Paul, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Abdul Ali ran a site called Youth Inventors Lab that falsely claimed to have served a total of approximately 1.5 million meals in a seven-month period.
Yusuf Bashir Ali, 40, of Vadnais Heights, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Yusuf Ali ran a site called Youth Inventors Lab that falsely claimed to have served a total of approximately 1.5 million meals in a seven-month period.
The following defendants are named in the United States v. Haji Osman Salad, et al. indictment:

Haji Osman Salad, 32, of St. Anthony, Minnesota, is charged with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Salad was the principal of Haji’s Kitchen and received approximately $11.6 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Fahad Nur, 38, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is charged with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Nur was the principal of The Produce LLC, a vendor and purported food supplier who received more than $5 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Anab Artan Awad, 52, of Plymouth, Minnesota, is charged with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Awad was the president of Multiple Community Services, MCA. Awad claimed more than $11 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Sharmarke Issa, 40, of Edina, Minnesota, is charged with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Issa created a company called Minnesota’s Somali Community and was the manager of Wacan Restaurant LLC. Issa fraudulently caused MDE to pay out more than $7.4 million in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Farhiya Mohamud, 63, of Bloomington, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Mohamud was the principal and CEO of Dua Supplies and Distribution Inc., a shell company that laundered millions of dollars of fraudulently obtained Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
The following defendants are named in the United States v. Liban Yasin Alishire, et al. indictment:

Liban Yasin Alishire, 42, of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, federal programs bribery, and money laundering. Alishire was the president and owner of Community Enhancement Services Inc., a company located in the JigJiga Business Center in Minneapolis. Community Enhancement Services was a cultural mall owned and operated by Alishire and co-defendant Khadar Jigre Adan. Community Enhancement Services received more than $1.6 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Ahmed Yasin Ali, 57, of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, and money laundering. Ali created a second program site, run by Lake Street Kitchen, and located in the JigJiga Business Center in Minneapolis.
Khadar Jigre Adan, 59, of Lakeville, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, and money laundering. Adan was the CEO of Lake Street Kitchen, which was a program site located in the JigJiga Business Center in Minneapolis.
The following defendants are named in the United States v. Sharmake Jama, et al. indictment:

Sharmake Jama, 34, of Rochester, Minnesota, is charged with wire fraud, federal programs bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Sharmake Jama was a principal of Brava Restaurant and Café LLC. Brava Restaurant received approximately $4.3 million in fraudulent Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.
Ayan Jama, 43, of Rochester, Minnesota, is charged with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering. Ayan Jama was a principal of Brava Restaurant and Café LLC. Ayan Jama also created shell companies to launder fraudulent proceeds.
Asha Jama, 39, of Lakeville, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and money laundering. Asha Jama worked for Brava Restaurant and created shell companies to launder fraudulent proceeds.
Fartun Jama, 35, of Rosemount, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and money laundering. Fartun Jama worked for Brava Restaurant and created shell companies to launder fraudulent proceeds.
Mustafa Jama, 45, of Rochester, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and money laundering. Mustafa Jama worked for Brava Restaurant and created shell companies to launder fraudulent proceeds.
Zamzam Jama, 48, of Rochester, Minnesota, is charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and money laundering. Zamzam Jama worked for Brava Restaurant and created shell companies to launder fraudulent proceeds.
Criminal informations:

Bekam Addissu Merdassa, 39, of Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota, is charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud.
Hadith Yusuf Ahmed, 34, of Eden Prairie, Minnesota, is charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud.
Hanna Marekegn, 40, of Edina, Minnesota, is charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud.
United States Attorney Andrew Luger thanked the FBI, IRS Criminal Investigation, and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service for their collaboration and skilled investigative work in bringing these indictments.

Assistant U.S. Attorneys Joseph H. Thompson, Harry M. Jacobs, Chelsea A. Walcker, Matthew S. Ebert, and Joseph S. Teirab for the District of Minnesota are prosecuting the case. Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Baune is handling the seizure and forfeiture of assets.

An indictment is merely an allegation. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

They now live in a world where facts no longer matter. They now depend on memes that are nothing but lies in a feeble attempt to prove points that don't exist. Welcome to the trumpian landscape.

You do not believe that fraud was committed? Do you live under a rock. The cameras went inside the buildings. What else do you want to see that would convince you?

Of course I believe that fraud was committed. Here is what I don't believe.......


You just spew crap. They can't vote.

Can you explain what you think any of the political officials in Minnesota did that constitutes a crime to be jailed for?

That's where you go off the rails. You make baseless claims rather than just sticking with the facts. Fraud was committed. A thorough investigation is being done and should continue. The people who are found to be involved in criminal activity deserve to be and should be prosecuted.

But there has been NOTHING found that implicates Minnesota officials for being involved in any criminal wrong doing.

I quoted that earlier in this thread to point out the part I found to be ridiculous. Try to keep up next time.

Keep your head in the sand then.

Aaaand... there's a bridge for sale in NYC.

Tell me ANY good reason why all these (D)s fight to maintain laws that don't require IDs at polling places. ANYTHING.

And, even knowing he was a habitual liar with a shady past, democrats voted for this criminal traitor to be one box of wine from the presidency!

Can't make it up.

So you have no answer to the question then. Just as I expected. Just blasting words with no facts or evidence to support it. Typical trumpian response.

Can't make it up? Why not, you just did.

Like many things the DNC gets behind... it's not a good reason but not nearly as nefarious as GOP tries to make it out to be.

They do it because it's seen as them fighting for the lower/poorer classes and minorities.... who apparently find it too hard to secure valid ID because....

Like I said, it's not a good reason... but my point is that it's NOT the reason the GOP is trying to frame it as.

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 was signed by a Dem president (Clinton). It was driven by the House GOP, but got good support from both chambers and both parties. This idea that Dems want illegal immigration because of voter #s is largely a strawman argument the GOP uses to stoke fear.

And we here at Dawgtalkers have our very own scarecrow helping to spread that strawman argument.

Sure is....

As for just one reason...

Overall Population: A 2006 study by the Brennan Center for Justice found that approximately 11% of voting-age U.S. citizens did not have a government-issued photo ID.
Low-Income Individuals: A more targeted survey found that 12% of adults with household incomes of less than $25,000 lacked ID.

Get a job then!!! Waiting on the government with your hands out is hurting everyone.

I.D.'s are simply common sense.

I can't even check in to a hotel without ID. Anybody against having to show ID in order to vote are fearful of something.

If you can't afford an I.D. you certainly don't have to worry about having enough money to check into a hotel. Or even a motel for that matter. But that's neither here nor there.

I'm just wondering what exactly you think it is you need to get a photo I.D. in the first place? I mean you don't have a photo I.D. until you get one. And if you don't have a photo I.D. in the first place you certainly can't get a photo I.D. by using a photo I.D.

Generally speaking if you have a birth certificate and mail to verify your residence you qualify to get a state I.D. or drivers license. So why wouldn't these same forms of I.D. be good enough to have you qualify to vote? The only difference is you didn't go through the process and cost of getting the photo I.D. while you still provided the documentation that would qualify for you to get one.

This is only going to get worse and more states are going to be implicated.

Come to find out the ring leader in the Minnesota fraud case was an America white woman since everyone wishes to be so race centric...........................

Feeding Our Future founder Aimee Bock ordered to forfeit $5.2 million
By WCCO Staff

December 31, 2025 / 8:06 AM CST / CBS Minnesota

The ringleader of what authorities called the largest pandemic fraud case in the United States has been ordered to forfeit more than $5 million.

Feeding Our Future founder Aimee Bock was found guilty in March on multiple criminal counts, including conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery. She has not yet been sentenced.

A court order issued Tuesday demands Bock forfeit about $5.2 million. She was also ordered to forfeit clothes, electronics and a Porsche, the value of which will earn her credit toward the money forfeiture. The order states more than $185,000 was previously seized from Bock's accounts, as well as $13,462 in cash.

Dozens of people have been convicted in connection with Feeding Our Future. Authorities said Bock and others stole nearly $250 million intended to feed hungry children.

The forfeiture order comes amid increased scrutiny on Minnesota following widespread fraud accusations.

In a viral video earlier this week, right-wing YouTuber Nick Shirley alleged that multiple Minnesota day care centers receiving state funds aren't actually providing services. CBS News conducted its own analysis of the day care centers mentioned by Shirley. All but two have active licenses, according to state records, and all active locations were visited by state regulators within the last six months. The analysis found dozens of citations for safety, cleanliness and other issues, but no recorded evidence of fraud.

Following Shirley's video, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said it has frozen federal child care funding for the state. In response, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz on social media said the state has "spent years cracking down on fraudsters" and accused President Trump of "politicizing the issue to defund programs that help Minnesotans."

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/feeding-our-future-aimee-bock-5-million-forfeiture-order/

Pit,
She is listed in the DOJ filing from 3+ years ago as executive director of the group and ringleader of the fraud.

When you say "the fraud" does that mean we should ignore all the other fraud cases because a "white woman" is in charge of this drop in the bucket portion?

Asking for 9 billion friends.

And there you have it.

Common sense.

This party is DEVOID of that since the early Clinton years.

You'd think it's like asking someone to walk through a desert to show credentials when voting. These people make some of the dumbest excuses and brainless arguments and completely ignore all common sense.

The same people argued for ballot drop boxes on every street corner, because some people don't have cars, and would not acknowledge that a stamp is only 48 cents. Their media will go find someone in BFE that lives too far from a post office and scream that our entire democratic process is racist.

No one will offer a third-grade+ reason for why all these states don't require ID; no one will offer any answer for why the last (p)resident allowed 15 million illegals to cross the border unaccounted for. The just tell us "it's not what you think" and call us racist.

Apparently some Russian Bots don't understand that people can work full time and still earn less than $25K. Or hold multiple part time jobs and earn less than $25K.

I'll wait for a receipt and observable proof that the reason Blue states don't have ID laws is becuase they want the illegals to vote for them.

I'll wait for receipt and observable proof that the fraud in MN is $9 Billion.

Of course - for others, reading some random MAGA tool's twitter post that says that these things are true or **might** be true is good enough to spam the world making the claim that it is true. Kind of like condoms for Hamas.

Agreed, except that this "issue" (lack of common sense voter ID laws) has been alive and well long before Clinton.

So I disagree with a nitty-gritty detail, but agree more with you overall point up until you turn it into a strawman.

There's a very long list of things within the political system that lack common sense. Is that the converstaion or is the conversation the bogus claim that Democrats are trying to flood the country with illegals in order to gain votes? That's two different converstaions.

I mean it would be common sense to eliminate pork barrel spending. It's commons sense to eliminate lobbying and the $4.5 Billion dollars spent on bribing politicians of all/any party. Stopping the PoTUS pardoing convicted criminals (Dems or Rep) would be common sense. . . . 3 off the top of my head without even thinking about this.

Trump logic; "Hey all 50 states! It's not up to us to show you are committing fraud. It's up to you to prove you're not."

I'll ask yo trumpians this again since you seem to have avoided it like the plague....

It's a good point to bring up in that it's a problem in our country.... even though it's not the problem that GOP tries to spin it as. Historically, larger-turnout elections tend to favor democrats (with this last presidential election being a significant outlier). So it makes sense that they want to make it so more people that can vote should vote.

That's NOT the same thing as them unofficially adopting the practice of stuffing the voter rolls with people that aren't supposed to even be here.

In Ohio, it costs all of $10 to get an I.D. card. Valid for 4 years.

Which in no way addressed my question. If you use the exact same forms of identification it takes to get a state ID or drivers license to vote, what difference does it make? That same documentation would get you a photo I.D.

If it would allow you to illegally vote it would also allow you to illegally get a photo I.D. which seems to be of so much importance to some people. So if voter fraud is such an issue why wouldn't that apply to photo I.D. fraud? If those same forms of I.D could lead to fraud in voting the exact same thing would apply to getting a photo I.D.

This entire "photo I.D." thing makes no sense because you don't need a photo I.D. to get a photo I.D.

Once again, you totally avoided that. Would you like to actually address the question?

If you can't afford 2.50 a year, I don't want you to vote.

And you still ignored the question. Why am I not surprised? I'll put this as simply as I possibly can so maybe it will sink in this time.....

You use the same documents to get a photo I.D. as you use to vote without a photo I.D. So what difference does it make which place you use those same documents at? If your claim is without using a photo I.D. it's easier to commit voter fraud by that very same token it would make it just as easy to get a fake photo I.D. to vote with.

I mean I get it. You have to dodge the question because there's no logical answer to the question. But you could at least stop playing whackamole and address it, admit there is no logical answer to the question or stop playing the part that you're not smart enough to understand the question.