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It's a good point to bring up in that it's a problem in our country.... even though it's not the problem that GOP tries to spin it as. Historically, larger-turnout elections tend to favor democrats (with this last presidential election being a significant outlier). So it makes sense that they want to make it so more people that can vote should vote.

That's NOT the same thing as them unofficially adopting the practice of stuffing the voter rolls with people that aren't supposed to even be here.

In Ohio, it costs all of $10 to get an I.D. card. Valid for 4 years.

Which in no way addressed my question. If you use the exact same forms of identification it takes to get a state ID or drivers license to vote, what difference does it make? That same documentation would get you a photo I.D.

If it would allow you to illegally vote it would also allow you to illegally get a photo I.D. which seems to be of so much importance to some people. So if voter fraud is such an issue why wouldn't that apply to photo I.D. fraud? If those same forms of I.D could lead to fraud in voting the exact same thing would apply to getting a photo I.D.

This entire "photo I.D." thing makes no sense because you don't need a photo I.D. to get a photo I.D.

Once again, you totally avoided that. Would you like to actually address the question?

If you can't afford 2.50 a year, I don't want you to vote.

And you still ignored the question. Why am I not surprised? I'll put this as simply as I possibly can so maybe it will sink in this time.....

You use the same documents to get a photo I.D. as you use to vote without a photo I.D. So what difference does it make which place you use those same documents at? If your claim is without using a photo I.D. it's easier to commit voter fraud by that very same token it would make it just as easy to get a fake photo I.D. to vote with.

I mean I get it. You have to dodge the question because there's no logical answer to the question. But you could at least stop playing whackamole and address it, admit there is no logical answer to the question or stop playing the part that you're not smart enough to understand the question.

I'm not dodging anything.

You stated they couldn't afford a (in Ohio) $10 state card. If they have a birth certificate, and mail, they can get an ID card. Why make the people at the polls check stuff? Period. The end.

It's 100% free (same as most states) if you are in any Ohio low-income program. All that's required is proof of SNAP, Medicaid, or SSI participation.

People act there is some kind of jumping through hoops or unwarranted expense when there is literally none.

This argument makes no sense. Those documents are provided so that a new document (ID card) can be created with a picture of your face. Then that ID card can be used to easily verify your identity. The "logical answer" is: then people at polling places can match address or other information, look at your face, and verify the picture on the ID.

Seems elementary.


But wait there's more...

An agency issuing ID requires certified documents to prove identity, ie... birth certificate, passport, or immigration document.
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They also require proof of your Social Security number and proof of residency at your address, again using limited lists of acceptable documents.
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The staff then checks that your documents are genuine and consistent (names, dates, numbers must match across documents).
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Then, most states additionally use fraud-prevention tech like facial recognition to make sure your new photo does not match an existing record under another name.


You think polling places should do all that to confirm your identity?? All because "no fair!!"? What would the lines look like then??


Lastly... If you've lied about anything to get your ID -- guess what they can invalidate? Yep -- your ID. How would they invalidate your vote??

There is a logical answer. When you go to get an id you don't just flash a couple docs and they hand you an id. They take the docs and other info like your SSN and put it into a system to make sure everything is valid. If you try to show these docs at a polling place on election day, you're likely dealing with a volunteer that is not qualified for processing said documents to make sure they are legitimate. Even if they were there would be long lines that would ensure that Fate mentioned.

Let's take a look at what you are proposing in practice. Airport security.

When you go to the airport you got 2 options for getting through security, TSA precheck or general security. If you go through general security, you have to provide proof of who you are and you get your belongings searched. This process is slow and results in long lines. You can go through precheck by submitting your information ahead of time and breeze through the line in less than 10 minutes.

Getting a photo id shows you already verified you are who you say you are and there is no need to go through it again. Now, can you please explain why someone proving their identity is such a terrible thing in order to vote?

I just know, in my small, rural community, when I go vote, I am greeted with "Hey Arch, how ya doing? I need to see your i.d."

But that's too much to ask of others???????????????

A state ID should be required to vote full stop. It's not controversial in the slightest either....The only people who don't think it's okay are the ones trying to hide something.

If you're a valid citizen\adult, why wouldn't you have a driver's license, social security card, or some sort of state ID? And if you don't then maybe you don't get to vote. If you can't produce an ID when buying a gun you're not getting that either and it's also a right. And don't anybody lecture on how its different.....voting for the right or wrong person can have more untold consequences then someone buying a gun. Voting can lead to thousands, millions of deaths, financial hardship, and wide implications. Many people don't think about that but it can.

Also, if you lie about anything on purpose, consider it a breach of federal law and instantly punishable. Something the same as if you knowingly lie on filling out the gun background form.

None of this matters though because Congress doesn't do anything that helps the American people. It would take all 541 members of Congress to screw in a light bulb and they still couldn't get it done cause they're nothing but morons.