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This sounds like what some fans propose the Browns do by building the team before they draft a QB.

If they were to move on Tomlin I would hope, for the love of all that is Holy, that they will have learned from the DW debacle to go back channel and keep it SILENT until an dry ink announcement is made. Because that's all you need, you make it known you're actively interested in a new guy, then the old guy gets upset and you have to let him go and then the new guy goes somewhere else OR you mortgage the franchise to force his hand... which never works out well. I think if they did that again we could petition Websters dictionary to forever coin that move as "The Brownsian Slide" or similar.

And for the record, I can't imagine Haslam has a great name among owners and coaches, what with his wonderful meddling and glorious track record.

There's one glaring problem I can see here. IF Tomlin were let go, I believe it's logical to believe there would be far more than one team vying for his services. Tomlin has been the HC in Pittsburgh for 19 years now.

How would anyone find it logical that he would take the HC'ing job of one of the Rooney families divisional opponents when he would have other, and quite possibly better options on the table? I certainly don't feel he would think the Browns would be his best option moving forward.

Hiring Tomlin would mean the end for Andrew Berry, IMO.

If things went sideways with the Rooneys maybe he looks to Cleveland as a proper get back. But the Rooneys are smart and not prone to whims. So, they're not as likely to let it end on horrible note.

I actually think the Browns Job is pretty appealing. Berry (assuming he stays) is pretty respected. You have 2 picks in Rd 1 next year, which looks like an ok QB draft. 1, maybe 2 starters. No reason to think we can't end up with one of them. We have a good number of other high picks, tho we may need to part a handful to move up. We had a pretty stellar draft last year aside from the 2 backup QB's we drafted. But where we drafted them isn't so bad for backup QBs. But most importantly, we have a real defense with a generational star at edge and as you allude, he'd likely be given a lot of latitude to shape the roster. As a personality, I LOVE Tomlin in Cleveland. I can't say much about any of the other trendy HC names I've heard this year (please God no to Mike McCarthy or Jim Bob Cooter). If it's not Tomlin, I'd be inclined to stick it out another year with Ski. Believe it or not, I think we're closer than a lot of people think. We draft a decent QB and get just top 20 play (doesn't need to be a star right out of the gates), a whole new OL (not gonna sugar coat it, this might be the hardest part) and a legit #1 WR (Mike Evans?) and this team is suddenly for real. We have the RB & the TE and a few other choice pieces that would thrive if we can just buy another 2 secs for a QB and the WR to get open. The Browns' biggest demerit for a coach IMO is Haslam. He pays well, but he's a buffoon. He sure aint no Rooney.

I do not see the Browns moving on from Berry and Stefanski after this season. Mainly due to the Watson deal. With the cap issues the Browns job will not be very attractive right now for any GM or Head Coach. Berry, Stefanski, and Haslam all know this. I do think the Browns are planning on taking cap hits in 2026 for Njoku, Teller, and Bitinio this year since much of that will be covered by Watson's insurance policy. Then in 2027 the remainder of the Watson deal will get applied to the cap. Either in dead cap if he is cut after June 1 next year of him remaining on the team in 2027 until his deal expires. After that point the Browns would become a much more desirable job for a new GM and Coach if Berry or Stefanski have not turned the titanic around yet. Another reason they will more than likely go all in on a QB in next year's draft. Solving the QB situation is there only hope with a young roster and about to get younger yet in 2026 with 10 scheduled draft picks and more than likely a couple more undrafted free agents playing key roles next year.

Tomlin would be a great get for the Browns as a franchise if for nothing else to create the culture needed to be consistent winners. Let's face it year in year out winning records even with first round playoff loses would get you a statue built outside the new stadium. I think if the Browns were to move on from anyone it would be Stefanski since they have Jim Schwartz in house and he would be the likely next coach of the Browns at this point.

I find it very hard to justify firing Berry after this draft class and the move made to grab another first rounder. And I agree, I think Stefanski isn't going anywhere either.

Well...they sold the farm and pulled down their pants for a supposed FQB and still didn't build the team (offensively) around him either....at least they'd be consistent in doing the wrong thing.

There is no right or wrong way to find a franchise QB. If there was a formula it would be followed by every team. Green Bay drafts a QB and has them sit multiple years. Kansas City drafted Mahomes at #10 in the draft if my memory is correct and sat him 1 year before he took over. Pittsburg drafted Big Ben and played him right away. I think if the Browns believe Mendoza, Sampson, or Moore is a franchise QB they should go all in and try to get that player. The philosophy used to attain Watson was not wrong. It just did not pan out. If you believe a franchise QB is there you do whatever it takes to get that franchise QB. If they cannot move up to get that player and they are off the board, they then have to evaluate what QB is available when they select and determine if that player is better than their current QB room and if that player brings more value to the team than another player available. If the answer is no, then you move forward and build your team. Franchise QB's can be found later than pick #1. Actually, most are found in the 1st round but later than pick #1.

Amen on he might have had enough. I've wondered, how much money is enough, how many winning seasons, etc.....giving yourself to head coaching jobs and the committment- WOW. He has wife and kids- wonder where they fit......die on the job- nope.

A couple of inconvenient truths you omitted.

When you draft a QB you don't give up three future first rounders and a second rounder which is a huge obstacle in building a team around your QB.

You also don't guarantee a 230 million dollar contract which hampers your ability to address major FA signings.

But if you think trying to make some apples to oranges comparison means something you go right ahead.

I just can't stay away. Darn you Browns, you keep dragging me in.

Football fans are finicky and prone to panic. Firing a coach like Tomlin over the cycles of boom and bust in pro football would be exceedingly stupid. Give him the players, and he'll get results. He gets results even when he probably shouldn't. I cannot imagine a coach the caliber of Tomlin looking at the Browns organization and saying "Oh yeah, I just have to do that..." Whoever would hire him if the Steelers were dumb enough to get rid of him would expect magical progress because we all want instant results.

I hope Pittsburgh is dumb enough to run him off. That would make my otherwise dismal season just a bit brighter.

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