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I agree with you except that at least Sanders has shown he can make a decent throw. I know that is not a high bar but it's at least higher than Dillon. I don't really see a must have QB in this next draft. I see some good ones but nothing all that special IMHO. We probably won't be picking at 1 or 2 either way and I don't want to trade up for a QB. I"d rather build up the team so any average QB can do OK first.

This upcoming draft has a LOT of good WRs coming out and I want 2 of them. There are some good offensive linemen and I want at least 3 of them even if we sign some in FA. The thing is they will still need a good year of playing to get any good. So let Sanders have a full year where he is THE MAN and see how he does. I would trade dillon away and probably draft another QB late in the draft to back up Sanders. There is also the option of playing Watson in a pinch if we can't afford the cap hit to cut him. I mean IF we draft a QB in the top 5 of the draft we might not even be able to afford the cap hit for it.

Sanders is not competing against the bar set by Gabriel. That bar is pretty low. Over these next 5 games he is competing against the bar of what the Browns feel is an option when they are on the board with the 1st pick. In 2 starts Sanders has doubled the amount of down the field throws this team has had in the first 10 games. Now can he show that he has as much if not more upside than Mendoza, Simpson, and Moore if one of them was available when the Browns select.

It's hard for me to articulate it, but I do think the offense looks different/better with Sanders in there. The results are the same (I'm not trying to say he's solving all our problems) or anything, but defenses seems a tad looser when he's in there. With Gabriel, it looked like the offense was trying to go through an impenetrable wall and getting nowhere.

I'm sure it's also the defenses they are going against, but I do think the longer passing attempts is helping our offense as a whole. Our offense is too broken for this to make a difference in game outcomes, but it's something to watch.

If Sanders turns out to be mediocre, you risk not having a top 10 draft pick to work with in drafting an actual starter grade QB. You don't squander such an opportunity on "thoughts and prayers".

In this last game Fannin was standing there wide open. Nobody within yards of him. It was a simple pass and catch situation. The only thing Sanders did on that one was find the open man and throw it to a wide open target.

Maybe it's that you just witnessed sucktitude to the point you think mediocrity, if that's even what you can call what we're seeing, is a serious upgrade. There's nothing we've seen from Sanders so far that screams, "Let's just wing it and ignore the QB position when we have a real opportunity to go get one."

All 32 NFL teams in need of a QB evaluated him and decided he wasn't fist, second, third or a fourth round QB prospect. He is the very definition of taking a flyer on a kid.

Exactly and I also agree that we will take a QB in the first round if there is one there that we like. If we do take one in the first round it’s obvious that we feel Sheduer is not the guy. We may keep him around next season to start until whomever we draft is ready and then I feel we will trade him to avoid any distractions. Sheduer may play well enough for a team to give us a draft pick higher than a fifth rounder. Time will tell.

There is certainly a lot more left to play out before the jury is in. On that we agree. I guess my caveat' in all of this is that I feel they would have to "be sure Sanders is the guy" not to draft a QB.

I don't think what they "feel or think" is enough. I don't think that will be enough for them either. They know they need a QB and I believe they know they will most likely have their best opportunity to do so for some time in this upcoming draft. We will i all likelihood have a top 10 pick and I think they know if they move forward and get nothing more than mediocre play from Sanders moving forward they will neither get a top 10 pick moving forward nor will they have a legitimate shot at winning the division for the foreseeable future.

To me that appears to be a lose/lose proposition. I don't really like the idea of combining both of our first round picks to move up in the draft to land a QB, but if they see a guy they think is "their guy" and decide to combine those two first round picks to get him I won't be surprised by it. I know we need a lot more than that but you can build a team around a QB. You can't build a team for a QB first and then end up with the 15th-20th pick in the draft to try to find him. If you look around the league that's a strategy nobody employs.

Of course these are nothing but my own personal opinions but some of us have been following the draft for decades and have a pretty good grasp of how teams in need of a franchise QB operate when they have the opportunity to do so. The Browns opportunity to do so will come this April.

I think we're pretty much on the same page here. I'm hoping that's not what it takes to get their guy but if it is I would understand it.

Question: if Tomlin became available next year, would you jump? I have to say, that’s one scenario I might consider regime change: Is it time for a change for Steelers, Mike Tomlin?

In a heartbeat. That would bring real culture change.

Can't argue with you there. If we do decide to can Stefanski, it better be for a clear upgrade. I know we are crapping on KS right now, but it's not hard to imagine firing him and then struggling to find a replacement that's at least as good.

I also would hope the new coach leaves the defensive side of the ball as it is.

That's literally my whole thought process. Sure, fire the guy.. then what?

I used to work for a company where the owner would want me to fire certain guys because they were only meeting like 75%-80% of expectations for the role but I'd have to remind him that anyone new is a crap shoot and you won't really even know most of the time for a good while. Some people you know immediately are wrong and in those cases you have to be honest that you just did a crap job of vetting and hiring. But even with the guys that look perfect on paper and nail the interviews and testing, you won't really know what they look like in action until they're up and running for a while. And finding a guy for a super dynamic job that's better than 80% is HARD. So you better be sure your guy really isn't it OR you better have someone else who's proven in mind already.

Look at the list of coaches since 99:
Chris Palmer,
Butch Davis,
Terry Robiskie,
Romeo Crennel,
Eric Mangini,
Pat Shurmur,
Rob Chudzinski,
Mike Pettine,
Hue Jackson,
Gregg Williams,
Freddie Kitchens.

How does Ski compare with the others? Worth noting that the 2 worst (Jackson & Kitchens) were both Haslam targets. If you're ditching Ski then you have to believe you're going to do better than Ski. Look back at that list. Do you believe they're going to do better?

Point being: you'd better have a real plan and system that doesn't rely on Haslam's gut and list of quality candidates before you cutting loose what you've got. How many people thought Baker was "eh, he pretty ok but just not good enough". So let's do better!... yea, about that.

Here’s a hypothetical scenario and I’m not saying that i’m for it. Sheduer plays better than what anyone thought these next 5 games. We go into 2026 with him number one on the depth chart. We keep DW as number two since we’re paying him anyway and Dillon is number three. DW can be the vet QB we’ll need anyway even if we draft one. DW can be a mentor for the 2 young guys and no jokes please. Probably won’t happen and like I said I’m not for it but it’s a possibility.

Look at that list of sorry coaches
The common thread and demonator.......none of them went on elsewhere be NFL head coaches
Theres a reason for that . They simply aren't HC material
And neither is Stefanski . He doesn't evolve or adjust

It's hard to evolve or adjust when your QBs struggle with the basics and your OL is not quite held together by duct tape.

I thought of the DW situation and obviously I posted what I thought. The more I think of it that scenario may come to fruition. He’s not a trouble maker, he’s under contract, he certainly knows how to play the position and we’re paying him anyway. Not to mention if by some chance he plays pretty well we could always trade him and get something even if it’s a late round pick. Food for thought. Oh and if I may add if we cut DW before next season we will have to sign a vet backup and pay him so keeping DW would save that money. With our cap situation we need to save where we can.

I believe I read somewhere that Watson missing all or most of this season and then staying on the Browns in 2026 vs the Browns cutting him pre or post June 1st next year is the best option for the Browns cap wise. I just have a hard time seeing a 1st round draft QB, Sanders, Watson. Sandes would have to get traded. Could you imagine the internet warriors out there if we had Mendoza as our starter, Watson as the backup, and Sanders #3 on depth chart. We also know you cannot have Gabriel or his girlfriend will call you out on Tik Tok and cause trouble.

Gabriel needs to learn how to handle his woman like a real man!