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Everything goes away with winning.

It is easy to criticize since everything has failed in the past. The media doesn't need to work! The sheep will follow every word.

Hopefully, Haslam has a pair and will let it play out.

I have not said much about Shedeur.

I feel a bit bad about the media circus that the mindless numbskulls fill the airwaves with. It is part of the problem, so much media chatter, it is fodder to fill the airtime and something to talk about it. My wife calls the Sunday shows "The View for men"

Just because someone has a take, does not make it an accurate assessment. My advise for the media is to avoid it if at all possible. They make money for being provocative and filling the airwaves with interesting banter. Interesting is the key word. Accuracy or truthfulness in the content of the banter is irrelevant. Sell the ads.

Now, what I think of Shedeur. I liked him as a QB at Colorado. That team played well and was entertaining. I thought he had the potential to be a NFL QB. I did not like all the sacks in college but that can be a result of a bad offensive line.

Lots of drama about not being picked in the first round, and being picked by the Browns in the fifth. I think that KS does not like drama QB's aka Baker. I think the plan was to sit him all year and work with him in the off season to figure out. Gabriel was thought of as a player more ready to play. Then Gabriel gets hurt.

The Baltimore game was everything that one would have anticipated. But I think credit should be given to the Browns coaching staff, as Shedeur looks like a completely different player. If the Browns think that he can be the starter going forward, they have a reasonable sample size. If the starter is someone else, so be it.

To start, I am not a Sanders fanboy.
TBH, he kind of annoys me.

However, I have seen enough to feel that we should pass on a Qb in the next draft and give him a full season next year.
Unless he completely collapses
I expect a bad game or 2 but do not expect a complete collapse

https://www.brownsnation.com/alex-wright-reveals-how-players-feel-about-shedeur-sanders/

There is quite a bit of media noise about Sanders and Stefanski. Read this article and it tells you what the media won't. Stefanski has to be given some credit for how Sanders has performed since starting for the Browns. Alex Wright says Sanders brings and energy to the team and everyday he gets to work he comes in and sees Sanders in the office with Stefanski. That comment speaks volumes. One it blows up the narrative that Stefanski does not like Sanders. Two it shows Sanders is serious about being a great QB. He is in early with the coach in the office watching tape.

I believe that when the NFL draft started Sanders was not in Berry and Stefanski's plan. The bottom-line is Sanders was projected by talent to be a late first to early second round pick. Sanders is a deadly accurate passer that is fearless and will stand in until the last second to deliver a pass. He sees the field well and spreads the ball around. Has been a part of two bringing bad teams back to respectability in college. Jackson State was 15-19 before Sanders at QB and 23-3 with him at QB. Colorado was 1-23 before Sanders and then 13-12 after two seasons with Sanders including a 9-3 regular season in 2024. Sanders is not Lamar Jackson but he is a better athlete than he is given credit for. Sanders does not have a great arm, but he has better arm strength than he is given credit for. Shedeur is a good leader and well liked in his locker rooms. He fell in the draft for 2 huge reasons. Sanders is immature and undisciplined. It was noted many times his Father as his coach begged and pleaded with him many times to not take so many sacks. He begged him to throw the ball away. His biggest knock was QB's in college that take sacks take more sacks when they get to the NFL. The immaturity factor was a concern because many did not know if he was coachable.

Like him or not Stefanski has taken a lot of heat when it comes to Sanders but he has to be given a lot of credit when it comes to what we have seen so far out of Sanders. Stefanski has gotten the strengths out of Sanders game while minimizing the weaknesses.

The irony I see with Sanders and Stefanski is the similarities between Sanders and Baker that Stefanski was on record as saying I cannot work with him. Both Baker and Sanders are 6'1 and some change. Both are brash, outspoken, came into the league immature, do not have elite talents that most franchise QB's have but fairly solid in most areas of their games. When I watch Sanders play I see so many similarities to Baker.

I was never a Baker guy. I do not think Baker will ever win a super bowl but I am not blind enough to say it was a mistake trading for Watson and cutting Baker. I think the FO panicked when they saw Joe Burrow and the Bengals pass them up so fast in 2021. I think Sanders can easily have a Baker career, so I do not want to see them just give up on him quickly make a mistake on just drafting a new rookie QB and the teams takes another step back. See the Minnesota Vikings with McCarthy after what they had last season in Darnold. If they have a chance to draft a QB they are fairly certain will be a franchise can't miss future super bowl winner and hall of famer they have to draft the QB. Is that Mendoza? If not lets build around Sanders and give him a 1st round wide receiver and left tackle in the future draft.

Man, where to start. I guess a tip of the hat to you, Bone. Nice introspective discussion. Besides, you had me at "Skip Clueless". 🤣

I'll be blunt, but probably not brief.


But first, the media... simple... *%^ the media. Since Stefanski set foot in Berea, he's been adamant about "the noise" and tuning it out.... on every level.

The game-show-style beginning of Shedeur's career jumped right on stage with the draft day(s) saga. I'm sure a long lecture about "noise" (especially since the brass had no idea how when Deion may appear from behind Door #3), took place from the first time his a$$ sat in the seat.


From that point, in my eyes, Shedeur has humbled himself and become a student... not just to the game, but to life in the NFL. At least that's the way it appears on the surface.

This says nothing to his growth on the field, but his growth as a young man trying to navigate what appeared as a shattered "destiny"... and craft it into a puncher's chance. That has been a refreshing surprise.

And that $h*t happened fast. Dude woke up and realized, not only was he not the "chosen one", but teams were also about to pass on him a half-dozen times each. He didn't cry to daddy or throw a hissy-fit to the media. In the face of that media screaming racist, conspiracy, blah,-blah-[censored], he has never paid a bit of attention to that (at least not out loud). That demeanor continued while they were all screaming that he should be starting.

But let's be real -- Shannon Sharpe just said Shedeur should refuse to start the rest of the season. Implying that the Browns are sabotaging his career by starting him against such good teams at the back end of this schedule. Cannot make this stuff up. I hope, if crap like that actually makes it to Shedeur's ear-hole, a hearty laugh is at the back end.


Kudos to Shedeur, despite some harmless immaturities, he's put his nose down and has been humble to the grind; all red flags averted. And Deion being a basic zero-dark-thirty is a huge plus as well. Let's see where it goes.


I won't rant into his performance on the field. There are things I like and things I don't. I'm at the point where I feel like the biggest hurdle will be his arc from Rookie QB1 to verifiable fQB. It may be a bumpy, unpredictable road. And the end product may be another guy we love to hate and hate to love.

Things I love are his nuance with velocity... and ability to throw a very accurate and catchable ball. He has thrown some dimes.

I feel like when QBs that have learned the fine art of putting some air under the ball, the synergy with WR's becomes exponentially effective. DBs just have a hard time adapting -- almost like great hitters trying to adapt to a knuckleball pitcher. However, that style makes timing even more critical.

I also cosign with Woofer's analysis that the coaching staff is adapting right along with him, that points to a healthy relationship when we can watch constant development from week to week.

I'll stop, but in the short term, I'm excited to see how that style meshes. It only takes a handful of connections, and a certain rapport with a WR like Isaiah Bond, before that duo could be deadly to defenses. If Sanders can show constant progress in his read progression and timing, and limit the Chicken Little drop backs, he can find himself smack-dab in the wheelhouse of a Stefanski-type offense.

Fingers crossed.

The noise is exactly that, noise. Outside voices don't really bother me. As has been mentioned their job is to stir up controversy to get ratings. Truthfulness and accuracy is neither their goal nor intent. Many of these talking heads were also some of the very same people that were saying Sanders would be a first round pick. Yet it took until round five for anyone to take a flyer on him and the Browns were the team that did so.

My worry from the beginning is that the noise would be coming from Deion and to a lesser degree Shedeur. That would have been what I would consider to be a real mess. But to this point none of that has transpired. I'm certainly happy that my concerns turned to to be unfounded. Shedeur seems to have put his nose to the grind stone and been working his azz off. The last game put forth evidence that his and the coaching staffs work is paying off. I'm not sure what more anyone could expect or ask for.

I use my eyes to weigh what is going on. People who pay more attention to what they hear than what they see are playing the part of the fool.

Agreed. I too am surprised that no noise has come from Deion which leads me to believe that he’s a smart guy who understands the situation. He possibly has passed some of that onto his son and that also is a good thing. It’s early yet but maybe just maybe we may have something with Sheduer. Time will tell.

Yeeeeaaa, I don't know. Small sample size? I think the next 4 games will indeed be very interesting and if SS can do reasonably well, I'll be very surprised but frankly happy to be wrong. He's the best QB on our roster which is like saying you own the tallest building in Des Moines.

I have a crystal clear, rock solid policy that creates a lot of peace and serenity in my life...

NEVER EVER (ever) listen to shock jock pundits. It's so simple, right?

If they're proven very knowledgeable, even minded and emotionally stable, smart, they've played the game (whatever that game is), and are not obviously and wantonly raking for engagement, clicks and eyeballs, I'll maybe listen for a minute. But I (and you) can spot outrage farmers a mile away if you're being honest.

I click off of SA Smith and Clueless faster than Real Housewives and any number of political carnival barkers. They are all the same. They're professional emotional manipulators. They add nothing. They only cost. Popcorn drama at best, theater fire starters and yellers at worst. But we just love to give them our time and energy.

Don't. Just.... don't.

I'm not surprised Deion has been quiet. He's smart. He can read the room. SS still has to prove himself and Deion knows that him piping up only hurts SS here or anywhere else should he struggle.

If SS get's named starter next year and the team struggles but he plays relatively well, I think that will change.

Some of you need to come up and visit me,it's in the 20's,the wind and snow are swirling about,that's called reality.some need to check it out.
1st round talent,morph into a fQb,if he was so talented he wouldnot have been sitting there in Rd.5