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Leviston might be better suited at guard. He's 335 and a better run blocker from what I've read.

Our O-line was a nightmare just look at who we had eligible

Starters
LT Robinson... below average 2nd string tackle
LG Joel
C Wypler Making his 3rd NFL start
LG Tevin another below average backup
RT KT 7th round 2024 draft pick who joined the team At the end of August making his 4th NFL start

our avaiable backups???

Tackle Cornelius Lucas
Tackle Jeremiah Byers Rookie 1st NFL game
Guard Garrett Dellinger Rookie 1st NFL game

It's why you can't evaluate him or depend that he is the answer moving forward. Unless of course you advocate just ignoring the QB position and base that decision on faith and hope. I mean would it be logical to just go into another season saying "Let's see what we have first"?

I was just poking you in the ribs a bit. I too think he pretty much sucks.

I look at that and wonder, how does a GM prepare for virtually everyone on the Oline to go down in one season?

There were more than a few of us wringing hands about the fact they they didn't really address OL last off season. I've wondered if Berry didn't expect to try to solve it in the draft but then he (rightfully) couldn't resist the way certain players fell to him and it just went away from OL. I don't quibble with his 2025 draft, except maybe the two QB tango.. which would have been the perfect rounds to get guards and backup tackles. But there were plenty of people worried about our super injury prone and thin OL heading into game 1. Saw it a mile away.

We're going to need at least 5 new guys next year. Damn near the whole room. Problem is I've read how a more teams have critical need at OL than most years and there'll likely be a lot of competition for FA's, trades and draft. I expect a few early picks but I'd have half my scouts looking at small and off brand schools for big chunks of quality clay on day two, three and after.

The pick made right after the Browns selected Dillon Gabriel was Jared Wilson G/C from Georgia who has been a starter on New England's offensive line all season. Gabriel was selected 2 rounds earlier than projected and Wilson would have been a great get for the Browns. That was far and away the biggest miss in the 2025 NFL draft for the Browns.

Our OT situation is/was as predictable as they come.

Following that line of thought you must think they stole Sanders who they picked 4 rounds later than projected.

It was very good value in the 5th round for sure. The team had so many holes to fill at draft time, and this kind of season was projected that they would have been better served in my opinion riding with Pickett and Flacco and then drafting the Ohio QB Will Howard without trading picks. If Sanders pans out that will prove me wrong. But if the would have selected Wilson and another lineman later the line issues would not be resolved but could have looked better than it does now.

I don't really disagree with your premise. I think they had a decision to make. Either try to see if they could address the QB position with lower picks which would give them huge ammunition in this upcoming draft at other positions of need or whether to try and address at least part of the other glaring holes on the team then. There's one way that they can't lose. If they decide there's not enough evidence to roll with Sanders, I still think he's shown enough to trade him for a higher draft pick than they spent on him. I believe the ROI at that point would have made him a wise choice.

And besides, I've never heard a team complain about having too many good QB's. By good I don't mean franchise QB's I just mean QB's who can play at a decent level. Even a decent backup QB with a fifth round pick is a good pick.

I know you bag on the Gabriel pick. And hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But Gabriele played in one of the, if not the top conferences in the nation. They won a lot of games against good teams and even beat the Buckeyes who were the #1 team in the country. Sure in the rematch OSU made him look far less than stellar. But it's hard to beat the Buckeyes once in a season, much less twice. He had a good pedigree. I can't say I blame them for taking a shot with him.

And as we can both see, where a player is "projected" to go in the draft and where they get selected are often two totally different things.

I don't think it's unreasonable to believe if those who missed the projections on Sanders by 4 rounds it's rather disingenuous to keep carrying on about how it was this FO who missed the Gabriel by 2 rounds. If those same people whiffed on the Sanders projections it's not hard to believe those same people whiffed on the Gabriel projection too.

It almost as if you are saying they were brilliant for getting a 1st round projected pick in round 5 but were idiots for selecting a 5th round projected player in round 3.