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Leviston might be better suited at guard. He's 335 and a better run blocker from what I've read.

Our O-line was a nightmare just look at who we had eligible

Starters
LT Robinson... below average 2nd string tackle
LG Joel
C Wypler Making his 3rd NFL start
LG Tevin another below average backup
RT KT 7th round 2024 draft pick who joined the team At the end of August making his 4th NFL start

our avaiable backups???

Tackle Cornelius Lucas
Tackle Jeremiah Byers Rookie 1st NFL game
Guard Garrett Dellinger Rookie 1st NFL game

It's why you can't evaluate him or depend that he is the answer moving forward. Unless of course you advocate just ignoring the QB position and base that decision on faith and hope. I mean would it be logical to just go into another season saying "Let's see what we have first"?

I was just poking you in the ribs a bit. I too think he pretty much sucks.

I look at that and wonder, how does a GM prepare for virtually everyone on the Oline to go down in one season?

There were more than a few of us wringing hands about the fact they they didn't really address OL last off season. I've wondered if Berry didn't expect to try to solve it in the draft but then he (rightfully) couldn't resist the way certain players fell to him and it just went away from OL. I don't quibble with his 2025 draft, except maybe the two QB tango.. which would have been the perfect rounds to get guards and backup tackles. But there were plenty of people worried about our super injury prone and thin OL heading into game 1. Saw it a mile away.

We're going to need at least 5 new guys next year. Damn near the whole room. Problem is I've read how a more teams have critical need at OL than most years and there'll likely be a lot of competition for FA's, trades and draft. I expect a few early picks but I'd have half my scouts looking at small and off brand schools for big chunks of quality clay on day two, three and after.

The pick made right after the Browns selected Dillon Gabriel was Jared Wilson G/C from Georgia who has been a starter on New England's offensive line all season. Gabriel was selected 2 rounds earlier than projected and Wilson would have been a great get for the Browns. That was far and away the biggest miss in the 2025 NFL draft for the Browns.

Our OT situation is/was as predictable as they come.

Following that line of thought you must think they stole Sanders who they picked 4 rounds later than projected.

It was very good value in the 5th round for sure. The team had so many holes to fill at draft time, and this kind of season was projected that they would have been better served in my opinion riding with Pickett and Flacco and then drafting the Ohio QB Will Howard without trading picks. If Sanders pans out that will prove me wrong. But if the would have selected Wilson and another lineman later the line issues would not be resolved but could have looked better than it does now.

I don't really disagree with your premise. I think they had a decision to make. Either try to see if they could address the QB position with lower picks which would give them huge ammunition in this upcoming draft at other positions of need or whether to try and address at least part of the other glaring holes on the team then. There's one way that they can't lose. If they decide there's not enough evidence to roll with Sanders, I still think he's shown enough to trade him for a higher draft pick than they spent on him. I believe the ROI at that point would have made him a wise choice.

And besides, I've never heard a team complain about having too many good QB's. By good I don't mean franchise QB's I just mean QB's who can play at a decent level. Even a decent backup QB with a fifth round pick is a good pick.

I know you bag on the Gabriel pick. And hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But Gabriele played in one of the, if not the top conferences in the nation. They won a lot of games against good teams and even beat the Buckeyes who were the #1 team in the country. Sure in the rematch OSU made him look far less than stellar. But it's hard to beat the Buckeyes once in a season, much less twice. He had a good pedigree. I can't say I blame them for taking a shot with him.

And as we can both see, where a player is "projected" to go in the draft and where they get selected are often two totally different things.

I don't think it's unreasonable to believe if those who missed the projections on Sanders by 4 rounds it's rather disingenuous to keep carrying on about how it was this FO who missed the Gabriel by 2 rounds. If those same people whiffed on the Sanders projections it's not hard to believe those same people whiffed on the Gabriel projection too.

It almost as if you are saying they were brilliant for getting a 1st round projected pick in round 5 but were idiots for selecting a 5th round projected player in round 3.

I believe the experts were right and Sanders was a late first early second round talent but fell due to concerns with attitude and off the field distractions. Gabriel was over drafted he was seen as a 5th or even 6th round draft pick that the Browns overvalued. He was who the projections thought he was too short, too weak of an arm to be effective in the NFL.

It's great to know that you think you know more than 32 NFL GM's do. There's a lot of that going around these days. It must be contagious.

If the NFL thinks a QB is a first round talent, he gets drafted int he first round.

That is not always the case. There have been quite a few players over the years that have fell in the draft for variety of off the field concerns. Sanders was a high-profile fall. But he is not the first player to fall.

And there were legitimate reasons why they fell. Nothing really stood out about his attitude or off field distractions that would have caused dropping for rounds. What happened is everyone bought into the media hype as to their projections rather than the NFL's worth that was placed on Sanders. Pimping Sanders was the popular thing to do and brought attention to the people who were doing so. It was about ratings and not accuracy. You only hear from these guys a few months a year and they have to make the most of it.

You would seem to suggest that the media does not consider things like attitude or off field distractions when evaluating QB's and their worth. Yet year in and year out, time after time we hear them bring up those very topics. They simply lack the resources and professionals in place to accurately project these players value the way NFL teams do. NFL teams spend millions of dollars every year evaluating the draft. Something these media personalities don't.

Sanders choose not to perform at the NFL draft combine and had some bad interviews. His Dad was interviewed on TV and said he would not allow his Son to play for certain teams. Sanders was seen as disrespectful in some team interviews that NFL GM's even spoke about it publicly. That is why he fell. His accomplishments on the college game was real his passing accuracy was real. The problem Sanders had is he and his Father saw him as a generational talent and he acted like it leading up to the draft. He is just under 6'2. Most franchise QB's are 6'2 or taller. He has no special traits like elite athleticism- although he has proven to be a better athlete than the experts predicted. He does not have a huge arm even though his arm is better than the experts projected. The two best traits Sanders possess is he is fearless and will stand and deliver the ball when defenders are barring down and will take the big hit. He has uncanny passing accuracy both from the pocket and on the move.

Had he worked out during the combine. Had interviewed well he would not have fallen. He was never a top of the 1st round talent as a few experts projected. As far as that goes I don't think Cam Ward was either. He could have been selected by a team late 1st or early 2nd if he presented himself better pre-draft. He was not good enough to overcome the perceived baggage he could bring to a team.

He actually reminds me of a player that has Baker Mayfield talent and ability. He also has Baker brash, immaturity off the field, and his undisciplined play on the field. Baker also should have never been a top of the 1st round talent. He should have been selected behind Josh Allen and Sam Darnold. He has ability and he allows the Browns to be selective during next year's draft. If they cannot find anyone better than him, they can ride with him next year to see if he can develop. I think Mendoza is a better prospect, but after that I am not sure the draft has anyone better than Sanders.

Last year if the Browns were going to take a QB early, I wanted Tyler Shough in the 2nd round. If they were going to take a developmental QB I wanted OSU QB Will Howard. I am not sure if Stefanski or Berry will be back or not if they are I think the Browns will be taken Drew Allar at some point in the 2026 draft because I do not see the Raiders winning and no chance for the Browns to get Mendoza.

So you claim you saw all of this yet the media could see none of it and that's what they missed their projections on Sanders by four rounds? I guess that goes to show what a terrible source they are in reqards to projecting draft picks. It's odd that you denote one of his special traits is he "will stand and deliver the ball when defenders are barring down and will take the big hit." while one of the biggest knocks on him has been he'll take off backwards when pressured accounting for huge net losses by being sacked.

I'm sure we all hope Sanders turns out to be a stolen gem. That rare late round QB find. But the cards are pretty much stacked against that happening for anyone willing to look at the historical odds.

And while you somehow saw so much in Howard, the NFL saw him too as a late round prospect at best. I think I'm beginning to see a trend here.

I understand the truth does not fit into your agenda. Oh well. Don't let the truth stand in your way. Go root for Gabriel wherever he ends up once he gets cut!