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This QB class has really fizzled out from where we were when the College football season started hasn’t it?

Mel Kiper is a good example of what we are discussing. You could add Todd McShay and a host of others to that list. But we will have to disagree on that.

You see, other than a couple of months before the draft and during the draft these guys have near zero media presence. That are designated "draft experts". It's like having a part time job. I mean if they are smart enough to know they're nowhere nearly qualified to take such a job and know they would never make it at such a position in the NFL what you're suggesting makes perfect sense to me. And I'm sure many of them do realize that.

But anyone who seriously thinks they're qualified to take such a job I think would do so. I mean otherwise they're stuck in their part time gig a few months a year.

But I do think most of them as well as all 32 NFL teams know that aren't qualified to take on such a job. So to that extent we would be in agreement.

Obviously there is no maybe about it. He was a dud in the pre draft meetings.

Players don't drop like that unless they are found with drugs or something like that near the draft. Prior to that everybody had him highly rated. All of the draft prognosticators make mistakes, but not all at the same time. I don't recall anybody saying Sanders was a late round pick at best.

He went in to the meetings and couldn't answer questions. Team after team dropped him from their draft boards. They put him in the UDFA category.

Yep! I noticed the same thing.

I think there's a little more to that Peen. Sanders was and is a media darling. It was and to some extent still is almost cult like. The story of Deion Sanders and his son at Colorado had people almost spell bound. As was mentioned these so called draft experts have no accountability after the draft is over. They have a couple of months before the draft and the draft itself to garner attention, get hits on their web sites and ratings on their shows. The best way to do that is to promote "the story of the day". To cover what gets the most attention and ratings. That story was Sanders.

Pimping and promoting Shedeur was like the Soup Du Jour. The flavor of the day. It helped them reach their ultimate goal. Ratings.

I'm no QB guru but this is not how I think others see it. The QBs who were the darlings last year definitely fizzled: Beck, Nussmeier, Allar et al. But I think most who's opinion I think carries something think Mendoza, Simpson and Moore would be real in any year.

I think Mendoza has solidified his spot as top QB and #1 overall pick in 2026 draft.

Tonight is a huge night for Simpson. He struggled down the stretch. Bama's run game has struggled, and teams have been pinning their ears back and pressuring Simpson and finding success doing so. He is on the road facing a really good defense and pass rush tonight. With a big game he could end some fears and solidify his spot in the 1st round. With another bad game he may end up coming back to college for another year. Current projections have him predicted to go mid to late 1st at this point in time.

Dante Moore can also solidify his spot with a couple nice games in the playoffs. He has the size 6'3 and arm talent but is seen as far from a finished product and still possible could go back to Oregon another season. If drafted he may not be a day 1 starter.

Mendoza is the only sure-fire top of the draft QB right now. If the Browns bring Berry and Stefanski back and do not take a QB in the 1st round I would not be surprised if they took Drew Allar somewhere in the draft. They were on record last year as saying if he would have come out, they would have taken him early in last year's draft.

I remember us saying that about Allar. He does have the size and arm strength. He has that Josh Allen look about him but needs to be developed. I remember that there were a few so called draft experts that weren’t high on Allen too.

I am sure there is some of that. Just look at the pre-draft "Legendary" hype put out by the Sanders camp. If in the end Sanders had gotten up in front of the coaches in pre-draft meetings and wowed them with his football knowledge, at least some of the teams would have overlooked the media sizzle.

This Mateer kid can really throw the ball 🏈 It literally flies out of his hand.

I like the guy. Maybe not as a top of the 1st round pick. He has good size, 6'1"-225. He spins it well. Accuracy can be off but IMO much of that comes from off platform throws. If he can set and throw, he seems pretty accurate. As a runner he is good. Has some running back skills.

I am not sure he will come out. If he gets a 1st round/early 2nd projection he might.

They both looked good Bone. The INT Mateer threw looked like it was because the receiver ran the wrong route. Both QBs increased their value in this game IMO

All season, both Mateer and Simpson have very long periods of completely shutting down at times after a bad play or a sack. I think they both could benefit from another year in school.

I said it on a previous post that back in August everyone was predicting this was going to be a loaded QB class. Well, it's certainly fizzled out and now next year is looking loaded. Who knows but if we can't get Mendoza or someone we really like, I'm leaning towards going with Shedeur and what else we have next season and drafting our guy in "27. Mendoza may turn out to be the only guy coming out that's worth a 1st round pick until we know who else will declare.

So you are also hoping the Browns only win three games next year too and trade down again in this years draft to give the Browns more ammunition to move up next year? Because that's pretty much the position they will need to be in again to make that happen.

I agree with you that they shouldn't draft someone the don't "really like". But as with almost every year this great looking class next year will be picked apart with a fine tooth comb and all of their warts will be expounded on just like what we see this year and have seen every other year.

Every year we hear the same thing. "There is no Andrew Luck in this draft class." What we have seen is that along with failed high first round picks at QB, we also have seen QB's who the media downplayed, claimed were not first round picks and not considered franchise QB's turn out to be exactly that.

As I think most people understand by now, I don't put much faith in these so called "draft experts" and this case is no different.

Pit no I'm not hoping we win 3 games next year. I agree if there's a QB we like this year take him. If there isn't I don't advocate taking one just to take one. There might be a better group next year. We can move up in the draft in 2027 with our #1 that year and a future #1. If we don't draft one this year we can add talent on the O-Line and WR. It'll give Shedeur more time to see what he can do also. There are a lot of variables right now because a lot is unknown. We'll know more in a month or 2. Where we'll be drafting what QBs are coming out if AB and KS will still be here etc. Many scenarios to contemplate.

And adding talent at both the OL and WR with even mediocre play from Sanders would result in more wins. The further down in the draft order you are the more assets you have to give to move up. If you think a mid round draft pick plus a future first round pick alone would move you into a top 5 pick next year I think you are sadly mistaken.

As I explained, once next years class is put under the media microscope next year, we'll be hearing everyone saying "Next years QB class looks better" yet again. Just like we did last year.

In the end we do agree. But do you really think the Browns would "take one just to take one" with a top 5 pick? I don't even consider that a possibility.

I agree that there are a lot of scenarios yet to be determined. But no matter how that concludes the Browns still need a QB no matter who is in charge of making that pick.

Let's just hope there is one they like and they do what it takes to land him in the draft. Gambling that you will be drafting this high again next year is a big gamble to take if there is a guy you like this year.

You have to admit it’s a good back and forth hypothetical conversation. It’ll be interesting to see how all this unfolds.

It certainly is. At this point in the season as it usually is at this point in the year and just how sad it is to admit, what else do we have to look forward to and talk about?