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My biggest concern with Harbaugh is that he is very similar to Stefanski in one big way ....... that he refused to get rid of ineffective coordinators.

You point out how few games Dart and Ward won yet overlooked their progress and their potential as QB's.

And allow me to point something else out to you. I have pointed out why most NFL teams address the QB position first and then build the team around their QB's afterwords. This what both the Titans and Giants are doing. You yourself said you would never compete for a championship without a top tier QB. So it makes sense that rookie QB's Would have a losing record since the process of building the team around them is in the beginning stage.

So wouldn't it stand to reason that in their rookie years, before the team is built around them, that the win totals would be low?

That's something Harbaugh may see that we don't have and can't offer. A legitimate franchise QB prospect for him to build around.

It seems odd that you yourself claimed it isn't reasonable to think Harbaugh would seriously consider being HC of the Browns and now seem to doing quite the opposite.

Offer him part ownership? I understand that while you are somewhat older than I am, not by that much. I understand that we are both desperate for the Browns to win a Super Bowl before our days on this earth are done. But I also understand that the Haslam's have no motivation to give up part ownership to land a HC.

If I were in their shoes instead of in mine neither would I.

j/c…

You both make a lot of sense. I don't think revenge and setting himself apart would feed enough ego to look beyond the downside though.

Perennial loser that seems to have a curse, owner that meddles, alienate the very fans that hold you the highest by joining a division rival. If you fail you go from elite to the brunt of jokes. Yes, everyone will still recognize your body of work; but still - the brunt of jokes.

This simply isn't appealing enough. If we were locked and loaded and this was a draft class like 2018? Maybe. But there is no QB on this team and none that jumps off the page (that you can feasibly draft) in the draft. The owner is already saying the DC stays. No matter how you slice it, we are probably the least attractive destination. And while we may offer a stab at immortality and revenge, the downside is just way too down.

I’d start fresh…new city, new team and new conference. I don’t want to go into my last teams place once a year. Too much unnecessary added stress. Willing to bet that’s what he does.

I agree. Haven't watched a lot of Ward but I suspect the star may fall a good deal for Dart. I live with all Giant's fans and watched more Giants than Browns this year. He's got a lot to like but he also seems like he gets rattled, forced into errors a lot. He's more than a little over confident and tries to force things. He's fun to watch and the team really responds to him but he's not hard to figure out.

Living in the Nashville area I get to see a lot of coverage on Ward. While he is on a very bad team much like the Browns are, you can see how he has developed and improved over the course of the season. That's no actual guarantee of what he will become but all of the signs are currently pointing in the right direction.

So we can have 4th Quarter meltdowns?

Falcons (SB LI) : 28-3; lost 28-31
Green Bay: 24-6; lost 27-31 ... on the heels of a 5 game losing streak to close out the season, all five games featured the Packers collapsing late in the game after leading.

I'd take LeFleur and hopes he brings Malik Willis along for the ride as well. Kid looked really good in relief of Love this year.

Kick Jador to the curb. Make Willis #1, Dillon as backup. Trade back in the draft. Draft 2 OL and 2 WRs in 1st and 2nd round. O would be back in business.